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To be sick of all the newspaper articles saying lies about DLA and PIP

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elliejjtiny · 08/04/2025 22:37

To get any DLA or PIP you have to be significantly disabled. To get the higher rate of either part you have to be severely disabled.

A motability car is not free, it's rented. To get one you need to either be unable to walk 50 metres or have a severe learning disability, which is very difficult to get.

It's always happened but since the stuff in the news about changes to PIP it's got worse.

Articles in the newspapers claiming you can get a free car for bed wetting, which just doesn't happen. There will be children like my ds who get DLA because they have a number of problems including bedwetting but nobody gets high rate mobility for bed wetting on its own.

There are other articles about people claiming PIP and DLA for various minor sounding conditions and I am so fed up with it. I know from experience that the newspapers will have talked to people claiming PIP/DLA and twist everything they say to make them sound like a scrounger.

All these articles are giving off the message that anyone with any minor disability can claim loads of benefits.

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Golaz · 13/04/2025 11:57

GivenUpOnSleep · 13/04/2025 11:24

Ahahaaaa I see. So me having even explained the calculation to you and provided the calculation and a detailed explanation wasn’t sufficient. Firstly you denied I’d done so, so I posted it again. Then you claimed I’d made the figures up and told you where to find them, even with website addresses, and this wasn’t sufficient either and you expect me to provide actual links to them?

You really are quite funny.

it’s unbelievable isn’t it. People are too lazy to look it up themselves- even though you have provided them all the information that enables them to do so. Meanwhile, they feel entitled to demand you do that work for them, while they passively sit there and say “don’t believe you”. And they make all this a you problem.

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 12:27

GivenUpOnSleep · 13/04/2025 11:21

I couldn’t agree more and your post should be pinned at the top of every thread on here about education or SEND, EHCPs, etc.

I am in the process now of taking our Local Authority, such as it purports to be, to tribunal for the third time.

I don’t know how these people sleep at night and they should all be removed from post. I don’t see anything changing in education until a competent regulator is put in place which will prosecute schools and Local Authorities for every single legal breach reported (rather than expect parents to do it individually) and levy fines of sufficient magnitude to remove the peverse financial incentives that motivate this behaviour and removes from post all Local Authority staff involved. The TRA also needs replacing with a competent professional body that will suspend teachers pending investigation and strip them of professional qualifications when they are found to have broken the law, like in every other sector.

Meanwhile, the total education budget is only 7.4% of national spending. That needs to change, drastically, with the entire system overhauled.

The current system serves very few children well. The problem is clearly trying to force everyone into mainstream schools which work for a vanishingly small proportion of children.

Some children will never cope with the curriculum and need to be in specialist schools because they have learning difficulties or other physical disabilities.

Some children can’t cope with the environment and large class sizes due to autism for example, but are very academically bright and need small specialist schools with strong pastoral care, small class sizes, but that are very academic (these do not exist at all).

Other academic children would be ok with large classes but need less disruption so need to be in schools tailored to academic ability (e.g. the old grammar school model).

Some children have talents in music, sport, art or practical skills and the current curriculum almost entirely excludes these and doesn’t allow them to develop their talents and skills. Therefore, they become disruptive and stop others learning and leave school thinking they are stupid having not been given a chance to develop their strengths.

Some children have severe behavioural problems and should be in specialist provision for that so that they don’t prevent others from learning.

The very few children in the middle of the range with average intelligence, for whom the curriculum and environment is designed, could benefit from mainstream school as it stands if all the others weren’t forced to attend.

The solution is far more choice of schools catering for different children’s needs and talents, rather than this insistence that everyone is the same and this factory farming approach will work. It has been proved that it does not.

However, the Government’s most recent proposals by the clueless Education Minister are to move in precisely the opposite direction, doubling down on the ideology that we can pretend children are identical clones and that their needs can be met in mainstream school, meaning that very few children can thrive at all. She is actually proposing to try to restrict access to specialist provision even further and pile even more children into mainstream schools, making it even more impossible for teachers to cater for the hugely disparate needs of the children in their classes (which are double the size they should be).

Unless this country starts to invest properly in appropriate education for all of its children, with a much wider choice of schools that are appropriate for each child without parents having to fight protracted legal battles to secure it then the future of this country looks very bleak. This should be the first priority for public spending and yet we have an Education Minister proposing measures that will make the situation even worse and gaslighting parents releasing statements saying that she “wants to restore their trust”. She needs to start listening.

This country’s financial problems are due to decades of economic mismanagement. They are not the fault of children with SEND, or disabled people. They are the fault of incompetent politicians and an economically illiterate electorate who continue to vote for their ridiculous policies and give them a mandate for further stupidity.

They sleep at night because they know they can’t fulfil all the EHCPs even if they wanted to. We now have well over half a million children with EHCPs and the cost is so enormous councils have gone, or are going, bankrupt. The ‘nasty council employee rubbing their hands together at the thought of depriving disabled kids’ is a myth. What you have is a massively overstretched resource doing its best but ultimately skint.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/03/a-ticking-time-bomb-the-neglected-crisis-of-send-education-in-england

‘Ticking timebomb’: how Send spending could bankrupt English councils

Guardian analysis lays bare a neglected system that is ruinously expensive, and often fails children and parents

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/03/a-ticking-time-bomb-the-neglected-crisis-of-send-education-in-england

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 12:27

MistressoftheDarkSide · 13/04/2025 10:24

There is zero point in engaging with the poster in question. Their basic position is "only work will set you free, hang the collateral damage, if you're poor it's your own fault and wealth transfer is a figment of the imaginations of immature and unintelligent contrarians".

So now the figures are there you want to stop engaging? Funny that

GivenUpOnSleep · 13/04/2025 12:33

Bumpitybumper · 13/04/2025 11:40

I don't agree with your calculations. They are based on incorrect assumptions. It would be simple to post a link to prove me wrong. Go on, I dare you .. link to the data that proves that it's costing the government billions to means test Child Benefit.

I honestly can’t be bothered with you any more. “I don’t agree with your calculations” is no kind of argument. Which number is wrong (despite you being told their sources so you can verify them), or where is there an error in the calculations in your opinion is, and where is your evidence for this? If none then it’s quite clear you’re talking nonsense as you have throughout the thread. You were the one who made assertions that means testing is simple and cheap with no evidence to support this. I, and DWP staff members have posted and provided evidence you are wrong.

IWonderWhereMySharkPantsWent · 13/04/2025 12:34

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 12:27

They sleep at night because they know they can’t fulfil all the EHCPs even if they wanted to. We now have well over half a million children with EHCPs and the cost is so enormous councils have gone, or are going, bankrupt. The ‘nasty council employee rubbing their hands together at the thought of depriving disabled kids’ is a myth. What you have is a massively overstretched resource doing its best but ultimately skint.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/03/a-ticking-time-bomb-the-neglected-crisis-of-send-education-in-england

But the point that you miss/ignore ever time is that fact that the SEND bill is huge because of their own targets and procedures.

There are a large cohort of children who would have coped better in schools before all these targets and procedures were implemented. They have literally created this problem.

But because so many people would rather stop any disability benefits and stop supporting these children in school they are blind to this. It’s very frustrating.

Some of us have seen this problem growing for years, and know what’s behind it. But we’re the ones who have been demonised.

Honestly, all the parents who have replied to you know what they’re on about, and at some point when you think everyone around is being an arsehole, you need to stop and wonder if you are the arsehole and if maybe you’re discussing something that you just don’t understand.

StrivingForSleep · 13/04/2025 12:36

As LAs have been shown time and again, lack of resources, staffing and funding are not lawful excuses for breaching the law.

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 12:49

IWonderWhereMySharkPantsWent · 13/04/2025 12:34

But the point that you miss/ignore ever time is that fact that the SEND bill is huge because of their own targets and procedures.

There are a large cohort of children who would have coped better in schools before all these targets and procedures were implemented. They have literally created this problem.

But because so many people would rather stop any disability benefits and stop supporting these children in school they are blind to this. It’s very frustrating.

Some of us have seen this problem growing for years, and know what’s behind it. But we’re the ones who have been demonised.

Honestly, all the parents who have replied to you know what they’re on about, and at some point when you think everyone around is being an arsehole, you need to stop and wonder if you are the arsehole and if maybe you’re discussing something that you just don’t understand.

I take your point but equally having a very emotionally invested position can sometimes cloud your judgement and make you assume what’s happening with your child is what is happening with all the others.

I think there has been a true rise in certain types of disability but also a rise of children being classified disabled due to ‘SEMH’ reasons which are being contributed to at home. I have first hand experience which has led me to this conclusion.

I definitely think schools need a rethink as to the curriculum and structure but I think an awful lot of the repeated ideas raised here are either untenable or would actually result in a lot of criticism if they were implemented.

For example, funnelling kids off at 14 to technical colleges would result in accusations of pigeonholing children or writing them off too young. There would be outcry when naturally the middle class or higher achieving children were seen to be given opportunities the others weren’t. I can see it now - parents on here complaining that ‘if my child hadn’t been limited by only being taught woodwork, they could’ve achieved so much more..’

Equally for every adjustment for one child, it may affect another. Dimmed lighting in class is a terrible idea - what about short sighted students? Or those partially sighted? Do they all have to sit in a darker room just for the sake of 2 or 3 students?

We have to cater to the majority. We don’t have the resources to create an expensive, bespoke package for half of kids starting school. Maybe there are some easy wins, but I’m sure Labour (who have many MPs who are SEN parents, including Angela Raynor) would not withhold anything from children identified as disabled unless they had to.

Unfortunately the issue has now because so enormous we are in a very bad position. I do feel for staff who are constantly maligned when they’re just doing the best with what they have.

IWonderWhereMySharkPantsWent · 13/04/2025 13:05

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 12:49

I take your point but equally having a very emotionally invested position can sometimes cloud your judgement and make you assume what’s happening with your child is what is happening with all the others.

I think there has been a true rise in certain types of disability but also a rise of children being classified disabled due to ‘SEMH’ reasons which are being contributed to at home. I have first hand experience which has led me to this conclusion.

I definitely think schools need a rethink as to the curriculum and structure but I think an awful lot of the repeated ideas raised here are either untenable or would actually result in a lot of criticism if they were implemented.

For example, funnelling kids off at 14 to technical colleges would result in accusations of pigeonholing children or writing them off too young. There would be outcry when naturally the middle class or higher achieving children were seen to be given opportunities the others weren’t. I can see it now - parents on here complaining that ‘if my child hadn’t been limited by only being taught woodwork, they could’ve achieved so much more..’

Equally for every adjustment for one child, it may affect another. Dimmed lighting in class is a terrible idea - what about short sighted students? Or those partially sighted? Do they all have to sit in a darker room just for the sake of 2 or 3 students?

We have to cater to the majority. We don’t have the resources to create an expensive, bespoke package for half of kids starting school. Maybe there are some easy wins, but I’m sure Labour (who have many MPs who are SEN parents, including Angela Raynor) would not withhold anything from children identified as disabled unless they had to.

Unfortunately the issue has now because so enormous we are in a very bad position. I do feel for staff who are constantly maligned when they’re just doing the best with what they have.

I have no skin in this game any more. Yes there is emotional involvement, but I have never been one to expect my children to have the world twist itself around to suit their needs and their needs over everyone else’s.

My emotional connection goes as far as wanting an education system to not actively harm the children within it, and in the last few years that has most definitely become the case.

I don’t think it’s too much to expect a system that ideally all children will go through shouldn’t be set up in a way that’s known to be hurting them? I don’t think that’s a terribly high bar to set.

I think your opinions are clouding your view on this matter because you’re twisting everything to suit your narrative in a bizarre way. Your responses to my schooling suggestions show that loud and clear, and ironically in your eyesight comment showing that you’d be quite happy to meet the needs of some over others. There is such a thing as dimmable lighting, there is the very swishy new technology (being sarcastic here because I’ve lived in my house for nearly 30 years and I can have a dimly lit side of a room and a brightly lit other side) that means all needs could be easily catered for.

No child would be “funnelled off” to technology college. Instead those who are not academic, who currently have very few options but academic subjects (depending on the school), which leads to low self esteem and mental illness, would have valid choices, which in turn would make a big difference on the happiness and productivity of the population. All those choices which schools routinely offered 20ish years ago have all but gone.

We have to cater to the majority, but take a look at schools - are the staff happy? No. Are the pupils happy? No. Are the parents happy? No. Who is being catered to here?
Similar with the NHS.
The government’s policies are meaning that they are losing more money. They have literally done this to themselves.

And stupid people with propaganda-fueled rage against the feckless disabled keep banging on about how much we’re costing the country (because of their own austerity and policies) and constantly ignore and blame the people who are being failed left right and centre.

Honestly it would be more rewarding to hit my head against a brick wall than to read any more of your nonsense that only shows how shallow your understanding is of this issue.

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 13:05

StrivingForSleep · 13/04/2025 12:36

As LAs have been shown time and again, lack of resources, staffing and funding are not lawful excuses for breaching the law.

What’s the alternative? What do you do if you can’t do it?

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 13:07

IWonderWhereMySharkPantsWent · 13/04/2025 13:05

I have no skin in this game any more. Yes there is emotional involvement, but I have never been one to expect my children to have the world twist itself around to suit their needs and their needs over everyone else’s.

My emotional connection goes as far as wanting an education system to not actively harm the children within it, and in the last few years that has most definitely become the case.

I don’t think it’s too much to expect a system that ideally all children will go through shouldn’t be set up in a way that’s known to be hurting them? I don’t think that’s a terribly high bar to set.

I think your opinions are clouding your view on this matter because you’re twisting everything to suit your narrative in a bizarre way. Your responses to my schooling suggestions show that loud and clear, and ironically in your eyesight comment showing that you’d be quite happy to meet the needs of some over others. There is such a thing as dimmable lighting, there is the very swishy new technology (being sarcastic here because I’ve lived in my house for nearly 30 years and I can have a dimly lit side of a room and a brightly lit other side) that means all needs could be easily catered for.

No child would be “funnelled off” to technology college. Instead those who are not academic, who currently have very few options but academic subjects (depending on the school), which leads to low self esteem and mental illness, would have valid choices, which in turn would make a big difference on the happiness and productivity of the population. All those choices which schools routinely offered 20ish years ago have all but gone.

We have to cater to the majority, but take a look at schools - are the staff happy? No. Are the pupils happy? No. Are the parents happy? No. Who is being catered to here?
Similar with the NHS.
The government’s policies are meaning that they are losing more money. They have literally done this to themselves.

And stupid people with propaganda-fueled rage against the feckless disabled keep banging on about how much we’re costing the country (because of their own austerity and policies) and constantly ignore and blame the people who are being failed left right and centre.

Honestly it would be more rewarding to hit my head against a brick wall than to read any more of your nonsense that only shows how shallow your understanding is of this issue.

So the whiteboard would be half in darkness, half in light? Come on, it’s absurd

IWonderWhereMySharkPantsWent · 13/04/2025 13:08

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 13:05

What’s the alternative? What do you do if you can’t do it?

Well there are possible alternatives but it requires changing the mindset that disabled people are the problem.

As it is I suspect that those in charge and fans of punishing those pesky disabled people would rather bring back workhouses and people starving in the streets.

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 13:12

IWonderWhereMySharkPantsWent · 13/04/2025 13:08

Well there are possible alternatives but it requires changing the mindset that disabled people are the problem.

As it is I suspect that those in charge and fans of punishing those pesky disabled people would rather bring back workhouses and people starving in the streets.

How absolutely ridiculous. You’ve discredited yourself there.

IWonderWhereMySharkPantsWent · 13/04/2025 13:13

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 13:07

So the whiteboard would be half in darkness, half in light? Come on, it’s absurd

Jesus Christ you’re obtuse.

How on earth did any of us have an education pre smartboards!

Smart boards in use at appropriate times aren’t the issue. Flickering ultra bright lights are a problem. Leaving the smart board on when not in use is a problem. Laminated stuff on the walls and hanging on the ceilings reflecting bright lights is a problem. Overloaded classroom (which OFSTED love) is a problem. Things could be improved for free that could make a big difference over night.

But no, let’s not do anything to make things better for every single person in the room, because it might mean making a few allowances for a disabled child, who clearly doesn’t deserve it 🤔

Your contempt for disabled people drips in every post. You post on every single thread like this, showing your disgust and lack of compassion or knowledge.

Navigo · 13/04/2025 13:13

GivenUpOnSleep · 12/04/2025 11:40

Autism is diagnosed basic on a very specific set of symptoms. There are standardised tests with specific thresholds for the three different sets of symptoms.

You don’t seem to be able to grasp that the same medical condition can present differently in different people. One person with asthma might only need to use an inhalor from time to time. Another may regularly end up in hospital with life-threatening problems. They still both have asthma.

Autism is not a mental health condition.

Your ignorance is quite astounding and I really hope that you are not a nurse as some of your previous comments seem to attempt to insinuate because if you are then your lack of even basic knowledge about how medical diagnosis works will be putting many patients at risk.

If I had to hazard a guess, based on your arrogance, unwillingness to consider any information that conflicts with your entrenched prejudices, and aggressive and rude tone, I would think you are probably a social worker. Unfortunately that “profession” seems to attract precisely the opposite sort of people who should be doing the role and yet, like you, they seem convinced that they’re providing a great public service to people when they are generally dangerously incompetent. Am I close?

I don’t agree with most of what wildflowers is saying. But I think you are being exceptionally rude on this thread. Your constant referring to ‘Dr’ wildflowers is not as funny as you think it is.

And I have met many genuinely caring social workers who have gone above and beyond for people. And it is very much a regulated profession, not sure why you have had to put it in inverted commas there. Your stereotyped comments about them are unfair.

StrivingForSleep · 13/04/2025 13:14

What’s the alternative?

The LA complying with the law.

What do you do if you can’t do it?

LAs can do it when push comes to shove. That is why enforcement action works.

We have to cater to the majority.

Thankfully, the law disagrees with you. All DC are entitled to SEP that meets their needs. Do you think all DC with SEN should not have their needs met or just a subsection that you don’t feel are worthy? For example, the majority of DC don’t need lifts, do you think DC unable to walk upstairs shouldn’t receive that adjustment? Or do you see those DC are worthy.

The definition of SEN hasn’t changed.

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 13:18

StrivingForSleep · 13/04/2025 13:14

What’s the alternative?

The LA complying with the law.

What do you do if you can’t do it?

LAs can do it when push comes to shove. That is why enforcement action works.

We have to cater to the majority.

Thankfully, the law disagrees with you. All DC are entitled to SEP that meets their needs. Do you think all DC with SEN should not have their needs met or just a subsection that you don’t feel are worthy? For example, the majority of DC don’t need lifts, do you think DC unable to walk upstairs shouldn’t receive that adjustment? Or do you see those DC are worthy.

The definition of SEN hasn’t changed.

They haven’t complied with it. Well that have, but that’s then resulted in Safety Valve. And how has that gone down?

They’re entitled to an education but not the best education money can buy. In my previous job I saw parents wrangling for expensive alternative provision and when it was provided, the child didn’t even turn up. Then it was ‘this setting no longer meets their needs, we need another’. And on it went.

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 13:20

Navigo · 13/04/2025 13:13

I don’t agree with most of what wildflowers is saying. But I think you are being exceptionally rude on this thread. Your constant referring to ‘Dr’ wildflowers is not as funny as you think it is.

And I have met many genuinely caring social workers who have gone above and beyond for people. And it is very much a regulated profession, not sure why you have had to put it in inverted commas there. Your stereotyped comments about them are unfair.

Thank you. It was a laughable post, so bad I didn’t even respond. No I am not a social worker.

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 13:21

IWonderWhereMySharkPantsWent · 13/04/2025 13:13

Jesus Christ you’re obtuse.

How on earth did any of us have an education pre smartboards!

Smart boards in use at appropriate times aren’t the issue. Flickering ultra bright lights are a problem. Leaving the smart board on when not in use is a problem. Laminated stuff on the walls and hanging on the ceilings reflecting bright lights is a problem. Overloaded classroom (which OFSTED love) is a problem. Things could be improved for free that could make a big difference over night.

But no, let’s not do anything to make things better for every single person in the room, because it might mean making a few allowances for a disabled child, who clearly doesn’t deserve it 🤔

Your contempt for disabled people drips in every post. You post on every single thread like this, showing your disgust and lack of compassion or knowledge.

Let’s wait for the bare classrooms where parents complain their children are sitting in something akin to a prison cell all day. I honestly think they can’t win.

GivenUpOnSleep · 13/04/2025 13:24

Golaz · 13/04/2025 11:57

it’s unbelievable isn’t it. People are too lazy to look it up themselves- even though you have provided them all the information that enables them to do so. Meanwhile, they feel entitled to demand you do that work for them, while they passively sit there and say “don’t believe you”. And they make all this a you problem.

Edited

Exactly! Very tiresome indeed.

StrivingForSleep · 13/04/2025 13:26

LAs regularly fail to comply with the law. Look at the success rate of appeal to SENDIST. Look at the complaints to the LGO that are upheld in the overwhelming majority of cases. Look how many need to pursue enforcement action to force the LA to comply. Safety Valve agreements don’t mean LAs acted lawfully, and some of them encourage unlawfulness.

I haven’t said DC are entitled to the best possible education. Quite the opposite. They are, however, entitled to what is reasonably required, which is what many fail to understand or ignore. Even more don’t understand the fact that is a higher standard than just what is adequate.

It isn’t uncommon for DC to need alternative provision and for it to take a while to find the right providers. That isn’t about parents wrangling for the best provision. Thinking that shows a lack of understanding of needs and how some present.

Sirzy · 13/04/2025 13:29

Lots of schools are simplifying displays making them less of a sensory overload. I don’t know what that’s a bad thing.

https://educationgateshead.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2991d-JH-Creating-An-Effective-Classroom-Climate-1.pdf Most of what they are suggesting is just common sense really but it does make a massive difference when it’s done well.

https://educationgateshead.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2991d-JH-Creating-An-Effective-Classroom-Climate-1.pdf

GivenUpOnSleep · 13/04/2025 13:30

Navigo · 13/04/2025 13:13

I don’t agree with most of what wildflowers is saying. But I think you are being exceptionally rude on this thread. Your constant referring to ‘Dr’ wildflowers is not as funny as you think it is.

And I have met many genuinely caring social workers who have gone above and beyond for people. And it is very much a regulated profession, not sure why you have had to put it in inverted commas there. Your stereotyped comments about them are unfair.

The large number of Local Authorities where social worker’s conduct and practice has been rated “inadequate” and repeatedly failures of children evidenced in harrowing detail in more legal cases than I’d care to count tell a very different story.

I don’t particularly care whether you find my sense of humour amusing. As for accusing me of being rude to someone who has behaved in the disgraceful way that Wildflowers has on this thread, that’s almost comical if it wasn’t for the fact that two posters have specifically stated that her comments caused them a lot of distress, and they’re just the ones who spoke up when many won’t have done due to the relentless and almost obsessive desire to devote a huge amount of her time to what I personally consider very deliberately bullying many posters here who had made clear that they are vulnerable.

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 13:30

StrivingForSleep · 13/04/2025 13:26

LAs regularly fail to comply with the law. Look at the success rate of appeal to SENDIST. Look at the complaints to the LGO that are upheld in the overwhelming majority of cases. Look how many need to pursue enforcement action to force the LA to comply. Safety Valve agreements don’t mean LAs acted lawfully, and some of them encourage unlawfulness.

I haven’t said DC are entitled to the best possible education. Quite the opposite. They are, however, entitled to what is reasonably required, which is what many fail to understand or ignore. Even more don’t understand the fact that is a higher standard than just what is adequate.

It isn’t uncommon for DC to need alternative provision and for it to take a while to find the right providers. That isn’t about parents wrangling for the best provision. Thinking that shows a lack of understanding of needs and how some present.

They fail to comply with the law because they can’t. We have too many children needing bespoke educations or specialist provision. Labour have said there’s no more funding for this and children will have to stay in mainstream.

IWonderWhereMySharkPantsWent · 13/04/2025 13:31

Wildflowers99 · 13/04/2025 13:21

Let’s wait for the bare classrooms where parents complain their children are sitting in something akin to a prison cell all day. I honestly think they can’t win.

So limiting the overcrowded walls means bare classrooms? Literally no one is asking for that.

With the current system no one is winning. Sticking with the same old shit is why we’re in those situations, growing SEND costs, growing disability payments, more and more difficult behaviour and deeply unhappy people.

There are other options to this that would improve things for everyone, why the resistance to it? Not just of you but everywhere. Literally there are free things that every school could implement tomorrow that would improve the experience for everyone. Why are they not doing these things?

Bumpitybumper · 13/04/2025 13:31

GivenUpOnSleep · 13/04/2025 12:33

I honestly can’t be bothered with you any more. “I don’t agree with your calculations” is no kind of argument. Which number is wrong (despite you being told their sources so you can verify them), or where is there an error in the calculations in your opinion is, and where is your evidence for this? If none then it’s quite clear you’re talking nonsense as you have throughout the thread. You were the one who made assertions that means testing is simple and cheap with no evidence to support this. I, and DWP staff members have posted and provided evidence you are wrong.

It's just bonkers! Link to the evidence that proves means testing Child Benefit costs the government billions. It doesn't exist because you're wrong. I don't need to spend my time breaking down your calculations. The answer is wrong! The data that actually exists completely contradicts your claims.

You and someone random person who works in DWP can say what you like. It doesn't change facts.

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