Baby born after womb transplant

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/34329085/womb-transplant-baby-hope/

I’m not really sure how I feel about this.

On one hand it all seems consensual and fine, and nice that they’re all happy.

On the other it seems yet more expansion of surrogacy-type science, making pregnancy/babies a sort of human right that we should go to any lengths to make possible for people. And all the ethical/moral issues around that.

What do you think?

I am not against womb transplants because I hate men. It's not a necessary operation. It is expensive, ethically questionable and a waste of resources. There are more than enough women on this planet to give birth to the population required. More importantly, there are other options. IMO, it is just another manifestation of the entitlement that is killing this world. Think about all the medical conditions where research is woefully underfunded where there are currently no alternatives.

As for women hating men. Do you honestly believe there are no good reasons for many women to have contempt for, mistrust, fear or hate for some men? I can tell you as a mother, sister, partner I do not know one woman that does not know multiple women or female child
who have not been physically abused, SA'd, financially abused or oppressed by men or boys.

No, the ones practising "gender affirming care" are quack doctors.

First of all I was directing that to the other poster, not you. The other poster has a hatred of men which is skewing her view of this procedure. And second why bring up male behaviour in a thread about womb transplant?

Have you actually read that article? I just did. Honestly, I've never read so much rubbish in my entire life.

Would you ban all live organ donation then?

What about bone marrow donation or blood donation?

Winifredtabago · Today 07:07
This is a certain section of the female population on here. Dont be so naive to think mumsnet represents women as a whole. A lot of hatred on here, a lot of anti men

You more generally referenced MN as anti men. MN has a spectrum of views the majority are not anti men. Unless you consider, equality in shared responsibilities, caring, opportunities, independence and safety as anti men.

I referenced mens behaviour as a reason why some women have a negative view of men who are either responsible for that behaviour or conplicit in preventing men from being held accountable.

I agree. I would not want to have a baby through putting another woman through major surgery she did not medically need, the idea repulses me. It’s just massive entitlement.

Her sister donated willingly and lovingly.

Why wasn't she front of the queue then instead of down the list after other family members had been tested? You'd think someone so keen to undergo potentially life threatening major surgery that would have a lifelong affect to satisfy the want of her sister would be front and centre of offering.

No idea. Perhaps younger family members were potentially more suitable.

She asked her mum first who wasn't suitable, so not younger. Can't imagine a keen sister would happily watch her parent offer to undergo this risky surgery if she herself was keen.

I imagine the uterus of a post menopausal woman would be unsuitable. Loss of oestrogen would be bound to have a detrimental effect.

A womb transplant is a more complicated transplant but comes under the umbrella of the fabulous accomplishment transplants teams are performing in many of our countries. We should all celebrate a woman has given birth to a healthy child thanks to her sister's donation.

Many posters think this transplant paves the way for the possibility of a male in the future to give birth. It doesn't at all.

Transplants are a difficult process to begin with, with big hurdles before surgery takes place. Allocation of a possible transplant take months of blood tests, immunisation top ups and essential testing for 6 tissue antigen subtypes, medical urgency, time on the waiting list, organ size, blood type, and genetic makeup to ensure the best possible match between donor and recipient. If the donor is a family member with at least 3 antigen subtypes compatible, it makes it easier than receiving it from a deceased donor.

Womb transplant is different in the sense that can only happen between women. There is no chance a man can have a womb transplant, simply because our biological bodies are different.

Transplant medical teams perform great outcomes today. But they don't do miracles.

Oh I have read it and thought what a load of bollocks. So why are there transplant teams looking into it? Why spend time and money on this instead of lets say preventing still births and miscarriages and mothers dying in child birth?

Why spend time and money on experimenting men being able to breastfeed instead of spending that time and money on helping mothers breastfeed?

Why paint having children as a human rights everyone has, thus paving the way for commercial surrogacy? Commercial surrogacy btw for a pittance because it is not fair only the rich can buy babies.

I am happy this women is happy that she could give birth herself. I hope the baby is healthy and stays healthy despite the cocktail of drugs she got in the womb. I hope she hasn't inherited her mothers genetic issues. I hope the sister doesn't go into early menopause or regrets giving away her uterus.

Transplanted organs don't get the genetic issues of the recipient. As to medication, most people with a transplant need immunosuppress medication for the rest of their lives, but it decreases dramatically after 1 year post transplant.

Lets not celebrate people taking unnecessary risks with their health, the health of their child and the long term health of the donor. Lets also not celebrate the resources that will drawn to this at the expense of other medical treatments and research.

I wish that researchers and the medicos who have been pushing this as a viable alternative for male people over the recent years would stop. I believe that they are doing this to seed the way for future ethics boards discussions. But it seems to be wrong on so many layers to give rise to these discussions even when it will ultimately lead to extreme experimentation on foetuses.

Uterus implants into male people is nothing like a uterus transplant into a female person. And yet gender experts, and the researchers and clinicians who are making ludicrous claims about it happening soon continue to make the claims. Partly due to ambiguity. They say they are going to successfully implant a uterus but avoiding mentions that it will be able to grow a human.

I believe that those activist gender experts saying this are tapping into something. A vulnerable group’s needs, a fantasy or something. However, the ground is being laid by them.

Not giving birth to a baby is very very different to cancer or any other life limiting condition.

Each and everyone of us have the right to pursue the medical health to benefit us, including a transplant, when the risks of a transplant are fully explained by specialist doctors in a long process of testing and induction for everyone - donors and recipients. The process can take years for a deceased donor or months from a relative but no one fails to understand what's involved. The process is thoroughly comprehensive and exhaustive.

As to the fact that transplants are an undesirable resources expenditure - lifestyle expenditure is thousands more expensive to public health than transplants.

Your being disingenuous. Neither of these forms of donation have anything like the risks associated with a hysterectomy.

I don’t see anything wrong with this, she was born without a womb wasn’t she?

Men asking for a womb can fuck off.

You have no idea the pressure women face to "lovingly" give away their organs. Women do it much, much more than men. Why are we so much kinder and loving than men?

Stop bringing men into this. This family did it lovingly that's all you need to be concerned with.

But a negative view of men has nothing to do with this topic.

This has probably been said already, but I can't face reading the thread just now.

Several years ago, I read an article by a 'gender' surgeon salivating over the prospect of transplanting the reproductive organs removed from trans-identifying women into trans-identifying men.

On current showings, there'll be no shortage of happy donors. They "just" need to figure out how to make a male body act like a pregnant female one (biochemically, I mean, not larping in JoJo Maman Bébé!) There's rather a lot medicine doesn't yet know about how pregnancy works, so that should be interesting.