Baby born after womb transplant

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/34329085/womb-transplant-baby-hope/

I’m not really sure how I feel about this.

On one hand it all seems consensual and fine, and nice that they’re all happy.

On the other it seems yet more expansion of surrogacy-type science, making pregnancy/babies a sort of human right that we should go to any lengths to make possible for people. And all the ethical/moral issues around that.

What do you think?

Wow, that's incredible! The scientific advancement is mindblowing.

Men will be demanding them, as part of the delusion that they can become women.

Absolutely, and they can fuck off.

Too right

It's amazing for women who are born with MRKH. What a game changer.

But yes, I think we will soon see a different subset of the population requesting them.

I think this is simply an excellent thing and I’m so pleased for the woman who was able to become a mother this way.

Nothing like surrogacy at all. I’m hugely opposed to commercial surrogacy.

Yeah I dont know either. There's nothing they won't stop at to keep producing more and more people for this planet. It can't be a good thing. Obviously for individuals it's lovely, but aye a population level, very unnecessary.

It will be decades before there’s the technology to do this so I wouldn’t worry about it. Can’t we just be glad that this step forward will benefit so many women.

I’m gender critical but I don’t see much of a difference between this being done to a man and woman? I suppose if a woman is using her own eggs that makes things a bit less morally complicated, but ultimately both would be using a womb that had been taken from a woman and transplanted into them for their own use.

But the effects on the donor will be the same whether they donate to a man or woman?

I‘m no expert but there are greater physiological requirements to sustain a pregnancy than just a womb. It’s a systemic process that affects glands, enzymes, hormones, skeletal structure etc. Male bodies are just not built for it.

What’s the difference?

Wombs arnt plug and play why waste one on a man when there are plenty of women around to experiment on

I follow Liz Goldman (liziscreative on insta) who is pregnant with her second baby following a uterus transplant. She has mrkh.

This is just like any other organ donation. It’s not commercial and it’s not likely to be, in the UK at least.

Its not exploiting a (usually impoverished) woman to carry a baby for a rich woman, or even to effectively sell her own baby in the cases where the surrogate’s own eggs are used.

It’s also unlikely to become a society-changing trend in the way surrogacy already is. We already see the beginnings of a two-tier society where rich and famous women outsource pregnancy to the poor because of their busy schedules and so on. Womb donors are going to be vanishingly few and far between and will be altruistically rather than commercially motivated - the same as any other organ donation. That’s if the womb comes from a living woman. Perhaps it is possible to use a womb from the dead, in which case there’s even less cause for concern.

Ha. Let them crack on. I’d be thrilled if DH could carry a baby rather than me.

What's the difference between being a woman who is missing a womb, and being a man?

Or

What's the difference between a woman gestating an infant to give away to another person(s), and a woman receiving a womb transplant and then having a pregnancy / birth / mothering experience like any other woman?

I'll be honest the differences are so self evident you're coming across as disingenuous. The closest parallel to this situation is a woman who has received some other organ transplant and then goes on to have a pregnancy. Pregnancy is after all a whole body condition.

This is wonderful.

This isn't new. The first was over ten years ago, in Sweden.

I don’t think it’s useful to view every advancement in women’s health through a gender critical lens.

This will pretty clearly only affect women who do not have functional wombs of their own, for whatever reason. Who else would be getting a womb transplant? And even of those women I imagine very few will manage to get a transplant as demand will outstrip supply, as with all organ donations.

What are the ethical issues that supposedly apply in the case of a womb transplant but not, say, a kidney transplant? I’m not seeing any?

If they would be that rare/from deceased donors (and it's not included in the assumed blanket consent, so they'd have to agree in advance), then it's going to be a massive waste of something even rarer than a healthy heart/lungs/liver/bowel, being a healthy uterus from a young, fertile female to then chuck it into a male when it could go to somebody who actually stands a chance of having a baby.

Agree with this. I’m going to need that poster to lay out the similarities because i’m not seeing any.

I'm all for lifesaving organ donation, this is not lifesaving, it is amazing scientifically but is it necessary.

Where are we talking about males? That is not possible. Don’t be ridiculous. These womb transplants are only for women who do not have working wombs.

If you’re silly enough to think you can transplant a womb into a man and have it work I don’t even know what to say to you. You’re on another planet

Sounds obvious when you say it that way. However, some males have already stated that they want one.