Baby born after womb transplant

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/34329085/womb-transplant-baby-hope/

I’m not really sure how I feel about this.

On one hand it all seems consensual and fine, and nice that they’re all happy.

On the other it seems yet more expansion of surrogacy-type science, making pregnancy/babies a sort of human right that we should go to any lengths to make possible for people. And all the ethical/moral issues around that.

What do you think?

I'd like to see the statistics on this because if you are citing all cause death related to all cause hysterectomy you will be including women who are undergoing hysterectomy due to circumstances such as peripartum emergency and uterine cancer which are naturally going to involve risks which elective hysterectomy in a woman screened for being in good health for the procedure does not.

Even hysterectomy for fibroids or endometriosis is going to carry a significantly higher risk of haemorrhage than hysterectomy of an entirely healthy womb.

It’s not that unusual. I personally know 3 women who’ve had one who didn’t have issues (this was a decade or so ago).

I can’t flipping get one with serious issues where I live mind.

The amount of women needing womb transplants has got to be pretty low too.

Statistics link please? Because I call bullshit on more women dying from hysterectomy

@LibrariansGiveUsPower The majority of hysterectomies are performed because of disease! Do you really think that people will be looking to be implanted with diseased wombs??? No, they will be looking for young, healthy uteruses from young, healthy women. No would have wanted my manky, old, endometriosis/adenomyosis ridden womb. Or my friends cancer ridden womb. Or my other friends fibroids! The only people getting rid of perfectly healthy wombs are trans-identified women and even then it is a tiny minority of them who are opting for hysterectomies!

These statistics you talk of come from where precisely? Because womb transplants are very rare. And as far as I am aware no donor has died as a result of their donation.
If your talking hysterectomy statistics in general they won’t be relevant as many will be done as a life saving emergency procedure which is a completely different scenario and not at all relevant to pre planned donation.

https://www.plymouthhospitals.nhs.uk/display-pil/pil-having-a-hysterectomy-6258/

That was my first thought as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/jan/11/number-of-women-in-uk-who-die-during-pregnancy-rises-sharply

Clearly you never suffered or been close enough with someone with infertility or problems conceiving or caring a child if this or consensual surrogacy in first world countries worries you .
This is amazing as it surrogacy when done properly ( not in poor countries taking advantage of women )

It's an amazing development in medical science but it does worry me that some countries with less ethical standards will already be buying wombs from poor girls to experiment on implanting them into men.

That’s because there has been a very small number of donations - as in, under 100.

The vast majority of hysterectomies are not carried out for urgent life threatening reasons.

All fine until men try to get involved

I'm gender-agnostic; but I wouldn't be happy about a born-male using a transplanted womb to have a baby, because their body wasn't designed for it, and I assume that there'd be too much risk of pregnancy and obstetric complications; birth defects; the need for hormones and other medications that could cause cancer and other diseases in both parent and offspring; etc.

I find it so distasteful the way women who invariably either already have children or did not want them go on and on about a child not being a human right.

It strikes me as so actively hostile to less fortunate women. Almost gloating. It’s like a kind of bullying. It’s anti-feminist. And it’s so black and white.

Infertility is devastating for many women to the point their entire lives are marred by it. What does it matter if you personally consider a child a human right or not?

That is simply not true. Not IMMEDIATELY life threatening maybe. Cancer is life threatening. Heavy bleeding due to fibroids can be life threatening. Stop talking utter bollocks.
speaking as someone who has had a hysterectomy and has gone through the statistics in detail with my surgeon at the time. You will find that the vast majority of deaths due to hysterectomy occurred in women who had unplanned emergency procedures.

You surely don't believe that the general figures for hysterectomy, which relate to women at any age, in any state of general health and who almost exclusively have uterine pathology, are representative of a select group of women in good health who exclusively do not have uterine pathology?

It's a whole body process, which no male person has the equipment for. It's not just the uterus, it's things like the correct blood vessels, the variable hormone levels, the capacity for foetal growth, the very tricky immune system regulation and so on. I truly doubt that any non-female person can ever have this done successfully.
That said, it won't stop men from trying, which is why I removed myself from the UK organ donor system.

Because when the prevailing discourse becomes "MY ability to have a baby is MY human right" then the people who are used to give YOU your human right are other women. In this country that might be someone you know and love who has voluntarily (or felt ethically obligated) to give you want you want, but in other countries it usually involves the buying and selling of other women's bodies.

I think it is an amazing achievement but the ethics are dubious. That poor little baby has already been exposed to a cocktail of serious drugs. A sister is left without a womb which can cause prolapse issues etc.
I'm not a massive fan of surrogacy, but I think that baby would have had a healthier start in life by being nurtured in auntie's womb in auntie's body. No dangerous drugs Involved. Aunt gets to keep her womb. Mum gets the baby she has always wanted. I don't think a desire to carry a baby should over ride the health of the baby.

Not to mention that pregnancy also involves another human being. Who's human rights are often ignored in favour of the people who have purchased them or who have purchased a woman to host them for nine months who the foetus/baby believes to be it's mother.

I don't underestimate the individual, personal devastation that infertility causes but I'm honestly more concerned about the individual AND societal cost of things like surrogacy and womb implantation.

But the donor will be dead surely? I assumed it would just be like usual organ donation, when you are dead. You think they would take it off healthy women? Oh god, the handmaid generation will be lining up to do this you know. I already know someone who is talking about being a surrogate for her gay friends, because that generation didn't seem to get the memo that they don't exist solely to please and validate men.

@Unexpectedlysinglemum why would her sister gone into early menopause? Do you know what the menopause is?

But you stand in judgement of someone who was desperate for kids but couldn’t have them naturally?

@whippy1981 can you talk me through the statistics showing how common “infertility due to malfunctioning uterus” is.

@DisneyTokyoNewbie how many women globally are born without a uterus?