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Heathcliff

31 replies

tsmainsqueeze · 05/04/2025 21:03

Aibu to say that Timothy Dalton was the most beautiful Heathcliff ever ?

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HauntedBungalow · 06/04/2025 01:25

You been watching the grand national?

Olivealone · 06/04/2025 01:31

It’s me, your Cathy, I’ve come hoooooooome, etc let me in at your window oh oh oh.

2JFDIYOLO · 06/04/2025 01:48

The boy from Adolescence will be playing young Heathcliff in a new adaptation

Chimummy73 · 06/04/2025 10:07

Totally disagree it’s only ever been Laurence Olivier for me! In fact I can’t bear to watch any other adaptation!

ExtraOnions · 06/04/2025 10:10

There has yet to be a proper, decent, adapted of Wuthering Heights. People want a love story, when its a dark, violent, abusive, jealously ridden story.

Heathcliffe is not a romantic hero, he’s horrible.

TheSassyAmberNewt · 06/04/2025 10:12

Heathcliffe is not a romantic hero, he’s horrible.

He’s a Byronic hero - treat them mean, keep them keen. Trauma bonding!

JustKeepSw1mming · 06/04/2025 10:13

This book has truly awful characters, who are abusive to each other. It is very worrying that it is seen as 'romantic ' in any way.
I wonder how many women have read it recently?

notatinydancer · 06/04/2025 10:23

ExtraOnions · 06/04/2025 10:10

There has yet to be a proper, decent, adapted of Wuthering Heights. People want a love story, when its a dark, violent, abusive, jealously ridden story.

Heathcliffe is not a romantic hero, he’s horrible.

Agreed

SedumRoof · 06/04/2025 10:23

JustKeepSw1mming · 06/04/2025 10:13

This book has truly awful characters, who are abusive to each other. It is very worrying that it is seen as 'romantic ' in any way.
I wonder how many women have read it recently?

Film adaptations have almost without exception tweaked it into a Cathy-Heathcliff love story, when it really isn’t. More of a multi-generational foiled revenge saga. But if you cut the second generation, as many adaptations do, then it artificially inflates the significance of Cathy/Heathcliff.

Getitwright · 06/04/2025 10:41

FGS, it was a book of its times, like it or not your can’t get anything out of airbrushing history, the wise would read it, look at the characters, think about how it’s very hard to get your head around loving a villain (and let’s face it, men and women still do) and take it as a piece of fiction from the imagination of an interesting author. All the great Brontë stories feature nasty men, and some less than perfect heroines as well.

TD was a very handsome, wolfish Heathcliffe. I loved Ralph Fiennes in the role as well. Olivier was good, you got to see the soft side of Heathcliff with him. It’s a role on many a decent actors rite of passage. For me, Hindley Earnshaw was a worst villain, he brutalised Heathcliff.

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/04/2025 10:42

Tom Hardy for me. Very disturbing.

ExtraOnions · 06/04/2025 10:48

it’s wasn’t a book “of its time” it was a book before it’s time

It’s about inter-generational trauma

”soft side of Heathcliffe” - is that when he’s beating various children, or, abusing his wife.

Hareton was an abused child, who grew into a dysfunctional teenager.

HauntedBungalow · 06/04/2025 11:17

It's a gothic novel isn't it, but I agree with you @ExtraOnions - it shows the lurid violence in the context of a family saga and geographic detail, so what you end up with is an exploration of dysfunction through intergenerational trauma and physical environment.

SedumRoof · 06/04/2025 11:21

Getitwright · 06/04/2025 10:41

FGS, it was a book of its times, like it or not your can’t get anything out of airbrushing history, the wise would read it, look at the characters, think about how it’s very hard to get your head around loving a villain (and let’s face it, men and women still do) and take it as a piece of fiction from the imagination of an interesting author. All the great Brontë stories feature nasty men, and some less than perfect heroines as well.

TD was a very handsome, wolfish Heathcliffe. I loved Ralph Fiennes in the role as well. Olivier was good, you got to see the soft side of Heathcliff with him. It’s a role on many a decent actors rite of passage. For me, Hindley Earnshaw was a worst villain, he brutalised Heathcliff.

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It has nothing at all to do with either ‘history’ or ‘its time’, though, really. It’s basically a gothic story lifted out of Emily and Anne Bronte’s imaginary world, Gondal, which Emily at least went on enthusiastically playing all her life, though Anne seems to have tried to wean herself off it. All the prose they wrote about Gondal has been lost, which must have constituted hundreds of thousands of words, but there are surviving poems and notes — it was a series of intrigues, wars, double-crossings, murders, vendettas etc set on an island with a moors landscape and snow, and powerful, warlike, morally-ambiguous characters, and a longterm love triangle. The women are as violent and passionate as the men, and lead kingdoms, start wars, have affairs etc.

In WH, EB just moved a Gondal type story to Yorkshire and located it more credibly among an ordinary landscape of farms and houses, and gave the characters ordinary names rather than Agustin Geraldine Almeida and Julius Brenzaida. It’s why you have characters vowing revenge, two warring households, mysterious foundlings, digging up people’s graves, starving themselves to death for a ghost etc.

SedumRoof · 06/04/2025 11:22

ExtraOnions · 06/04/2025 10:48

it’s wasn’t a book “of its time” it was a book before it’s time

It’s about inter-generational trauma

”soft side of Heathcliffe” - is that when he’s beating various children, or, abusing his wife.

Hareton was an abused child, who grew into a dysfunctional teenager.

Don’t forget him setting a trap over a lapwing’s nest so that the nestlings starved, and hanging dogs on two different occasions!

tsmainsqueeze · 06/04/2025 12:04

ExtraOnions · 06/04/2025 10:10

There has yet to be a proper, decent, adapted of Wuthering Heights. People want a love story, when its a dark, violent, abusive, jealously ridden story.

Heathcliffe is not a romantic hero, he’s horrible.

I completely agree.
Pretty much every character is flawed and dysfunctional ,it is dark and bleak and pretty hopeless really but so well written .
Reading it as a young teenager despite the bleakness i thought it to be so romantic, now older and wiser no way does it contain romance.
As for my Heathcliff comment it was purely based on his looks ,he was 24.
Next one for me was Ralph Fiennes ,this film is my favourite adaptation so far let down only by Juliette Binoche's french accent.
I know people will disagree but i don't think Olivier is a good actor and despite loving Tom Hardy i think he was miscast for Heathcliff.
I can't wait for the new film ,i hope it is a true interpretation of the book , probably not more likely.

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tsmainsqueeze · 06/04/2025 12:05

HauntedBungalow · 06/04/2025 01:25

You been watching the grand national?

No , Wuthering Heights.

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ChildrenOfTheQuorn · 06/04/2025 12:07

Tom Hardy has been my favourite. At least he had a Yorkshire accent. I'm not looking forward to the latest version at all.

TempleBar9631 · 06/04/2025 12:12

"I know people will disagree but i don't think Olivier is a good actor "

I agree OP, I've been saying this for decades. He's such a ham!

ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 06/04/2025 12:14

2JFDIYOLO · 06/04/2025 01:48

The boy from Adolescence will be playing young Heathcliff in a new adaptation

A film or series?

ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 06/04/2025 12:17

ChildrenOfTheQuorn · 06/04/2025 12:07

Tom Hardy has been my favourite. At least he had a Yorkshire accent. I'm not looking forward to the latest version at all.

The BBC had pictures of Margot Robbie in a wedding dress on their website yesterday. Which im not sure I fully understood as the same pictures were everywhere on the internet over a week ago 🤷‍♀️.

Plus lots of complaints re MRs hair colour, style of dress, the whole dating of the film. Maybe it’s a modern day retelling???

OtherCoraline · 06/04/2025 13:26

Ralph Fiennes forever.

HauntedBungalow · 06/04/2025 17:19

TempleBar9631 · 06/04/2025 12:12

"I know people will disagree but i don't think Olivier is a good actor "

I agree OP, I've been saying this for decades. He's such a ham!

Agree with you both.

If you watch the episode of Frasier with Derek Jacobi playing a washed up hammy thesp, that's what Olivier is like, imo.

Mochudubh · 06/04/2025 17:23

I don't think I've ever watched WH on film, I loathed the book when we did it in English at school so it's put me off forever.

Every character is either an absolute cunt or a wet lettuce.

VexedofVirginiaWater · 06/04/2025 17:25

I just hate the bit with the hand through the window - gives me the heebie-jeebies (shudder).

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