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Stock markets, inheritance, i don't understand

258 replies

Vlinty · 05/04/2025 10:55

My mother died in 2024 and father this March. Years before they had made me power of attorney (because my husband works in finance he is a lawyer, so could help me. I am clueless and they knew this.)

After mum died, my DH took over, because my dad had dementia.

He changed a lot of their funds over to higher risk , their financial advisor told me they had always wanted low risk.

We sold the house and dh got me to invest with another fund manager. Take the money out of ns&I as well.

So some money with new advisor, some with old advisor but all higher risk than my parents had it

Now this morning he has told me that everything is down 25%.... obviously because the markets have plummeted following trump's tariffs.

I am so distraught, I have 2 siblings who will want their share of the money. I'm really angry with dh and he now won't talk to mr because I'm panicking and he won't help me - just says I won't listen. When it is him who will not answer a straight question.

Please help me calm down.

OP posts:
LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 06/04/2025 22:23

Hoppinggreen · 06/04/2025 18:29

An elderly man with a POA is not someone who should have his money in a high risk investment, it should have been in a very low to nil risk vehicle, especially since it wasn't being invested for income I am assuming?
With regards to shares the markets are really low and anyone who has any idea sold a few weeks ago and are now waiting to get back in.

Well they couldn’t be sold a few weeks ago, nothing can happen with them right now

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 06/04/2025 22:24

caringcarer · 06/04/2025 19:45

If your Dad only died in March and it's only April now I don't understand why you didn't just leave the investments where they were until the house was sold affairs settled and the money divided as per their will. If you have moved the money and allowed your DH to invest it I think you should make up the shortfall to your siblings from your share so they won't be worse off due to your high risk living DH. You have hugely overstepped in the role of executor. When my Mum died and I was executor I left everything invested as she had it until it could be sold and money divided with siblings.

But we don’t even know that there has been a net loss. The op hasn’t given that info

caringcarer · 06/04/2025 22:32

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 06/04/2025 22:24

But we don’t even know that there has been a net loss. The op hasn’t given that info

If they've reinvested the money away from safe investment like gilts it will have lost money over last week. My pension is down ££4k in 3 days.

Gardengirl108 · 06/04/2025 22:32

SunsetCocktails · 05/04/2025 11:13

I agree about misusing your power of attorney.

im confused though. If your dad has only just died then how have you sold the house already?

OP’s father may not have been living in the property that’s been sold, he may have been living in a care home.

Negroany · 06/04/2025 22:40

Letsgflyakite · 06/04/2025 05:27

That’s not correct - the tax value crystallises at date of death.

Yes, as I said on an earlier post. But it's still only relevant if they're due to pay any anyway. Only 6% of estates are liable for IHT, but 99% of people seem to think the will pay it!

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 06/04/2025 22:52

caringcarer · 06/04/2025 22:32

If they've reinvested the money away from safe investment like gilts it will have lost money over last week. My pension is down ££4k in 3 days.

But it might have increased before it decreased.

caringcarer · 06/04/2025 23:15

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 06/04/2025 22:52

But it might have increased before it decreased.

Over the last month investment has gone down.

daleylama · 06/04/2025 23:51

Vlinty · 05/04/2025 22:03

I know i think we were planning to pay sone mortgage off and my brothers also wanted cash

You can still take it uncrystallised, wait for market recovery, then cash up / pay off mortgage. Your DH has been very cavalier- far too common an attitude amongst amateur investors when ego is involved. My sister decimated the money bequested by Mum to her (sister's) sons b/cos she fancied herself a day trader.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 07/04/2025 02:46

caringcarer · 06/04/2025 23:15

Over the last month investment has gone down.

And before that

Cosyblankets · 07/04/2025 06:24

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 06/04/2025 22:22

No they aren’t sold on the day he dies

Not sold. I mean the value frozen

Cosyblankets · 07/04/2025 06:42

Cosyblankets · 07/04/2025 06:24

Not sold. I mean the value frozen

Found this on a solicitor website

Stock markets, inheritance, i don't understand
LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 07/04/2025 07:35

Cosyblankets · 07/04/2025 06:42

Found this on a solicitor website

You value them for inheritance tax purposes on the date of death but the value of the shares continues to change. They are on a quoted market.

LittleBearPad · 07/04/2025 08:16

OP I hope you’ve told your siblings as in the short and possibly medium term it only going to get worse.

Topseyt123 · 07/04/2025 08:21

Cosyblankets · 07/04/2025 06:24

Not sold. I mean the value frozen

They can't be frozen. You can quote what the value was on the date of death but the markets don't freeze. They continue to go up or down and so will the value of the shares.

endofthelinefinally · 07/04/2025 08:47

Topseyt123 · 06/04/2025 10:54

@SophieAnt Exactly.

I am absolutely seeing why OP's parents asked her husband to manage their finances. OP is a panicker and has no clue, and maybe the other siblings are similar.

I agree with you too that now is a time to actually buy stocks and shares if you can even if there might yet be further to fall. Buy while the units are relatively cheap. Take a longer term view and then sell when they have risen. It's not rocket science but you need to hold your nerve and people do panic far too easily.

I feel a bit sorry for OP's DH. He did what was asked of him by her parents and did nothing wrong but now he is incurring her badly misplaced wrath.

Edited

I am coming round to this view as well.
Initially OP didn't say that her parents had asked her DH to manage the investments.
Nobody should take an inheritance for granted. Everyone knows that investments can go up or down.
Everyone has lost in the current crash. OP's DH can't be blamed for that. OP's parents asked him to manage their investments and OP and siblings didn't educate themselves or take an interest. He made some high risk investments that might still come good, or they might not. I doubt he deliberately set out to lose money.
They just need to get together all the documents and speak to an independent financial advisor.

Swiftie1878 · 07/04/2025 09:06

Vlinty · 05/04/2025 22:03

I know i think we were planning to pay sone mortgage off and my brothers also wanted cash

Your brothers can take the cash if they want to. You transfer their portion of the shares and they can cash them in whenever they wish.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 07/04/2025 09:10

endofthelinefinally · 07/04/2025 08:47

I am coming round to this view as well.
Initially OP didn't say that her parents had asked her DH to manage the investments.
Nobody should take an inheritance for granted. Everyone knows that investments can go up or down.
Everyone has lost in the current crash. OP's DH can't be blamed for that. OP's parents asked him to manage their investments and OP and siblings didn't educate themselves or take an interest. He made some high risk investments that might still come good, or they might not. I doubt he deliberately set out to lose money.
They just need to get together all the documents and speak to an independent financial advisor.

Fully agree, she also later clarified that they weren’t high risk just higher risk but still low/medium.

Topseyt123 · 07/04/2025 09:14

Swiftie1878 · 07/04/2025 09:06

Your brothers can take the cash if they want to. You transfer their portion of the shares and they can cash them in whenever they wish.

Several of us are saying this. It is good sense.

OP doesn't seem to be listening, or isn't acknowledging that her panic was ill informed and wrong. Others (equally ill informed and clueless) are suggesting that the siblings might be as poor as church mice and so investments should be sold now with OP's DH paying compensation for the losses.

Now is not the time to sell. Now is the time to sit tight, ride it out and buy more at the cheaper rates if you possibly can.

Julen7 · 07/04/2025 09:17

RatedDoingMagic · 05/04/2025 11:17

Everything has gone down. Don't panic. Unless you need to liquidise the assets right now, there's no real effect, everything will be back up again in a decade. Sit tight.

A decade oh God I hope it doesn’t take that long!

Swiftie1878 · 07/04/2025 09:19

Julen7 · 07/04/2025 09:17

A decade oh God I hope it doesn’t take that long!

Think about the poor buggers who are just about to retire and all their pension investments are being cashed in!

Cosyblankets · 07/04/2025 09:42

Topseyt123 · 07/04/2025 08:21

They can't be frozen. You can quote what the value was on the date of death but the markets don't freeze. They continue to go up or down and so will the value of the shares.

My husband died years ago. One thing i never got round to was cashing in some shares. I didn't realise they were there until a couple of years later. Not loads. Not enough to make a difference. I eventually contacted the trading company and they told me the value on the day he died which is what I'd get if i cashed them in. It's not a lot of money and I've just never got round to it.

JHound · 07/04/2025 09:45

Why on earth would your husband change the investments of the elderly from low risk to high. High risk investments are for people with long term investing timeframes not short term. You always go closer to low risk investment vehicles as you age. Sounds like your husband was investing as if it was his money. Can you siblings hold out for a few years as the markets will stabilise, they always do.

JHound · 07/04/2025 09:46

Cosyblankets · 07/04/2025 09:42

My husband died years ago. One thing i never got round to was cashing in some shares. I didn't realise they were there until a couple of years later. Not loads. Not enough to make a difference. I eventually contacted the trading company and they told me the value on the day he died which is what I'd get if i cashed them in. It's not a lot of money and I've just never got round to it.

They have misinformed you. The value does not remain static.

JHound · 07/04/2025 09:47

Topseyt123 · 07/04/2025 09:14

Several of us are saying this. It is good sense.

OP doesn't seem to be listening, or isn't acknowledging that her panic was ill informed and wrong. Others (equally ill informed and clueless) are suggesting that the siblings might be as poor as church mice and so investments should be sold now with OP's DH paying compensation for the losses.

Now is not the time to sell. Now is the time to sit tight, ride it out and buy more at the cheaper rates if you possibly can.

Exactly this. They should transfer ownership of the shares and then hold until the value increases again.

Cosyblankets · 07/04/2025 09:47

JHound · 07/04/2025 09:46

They have misinformed you. The value does not remain static.

Thanks
I might just dig the forms out on the back of this.