To think too many people are happy to live off benefits forever?

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Okay, I know this is a touchy subject here on MN, but I need to ask, AIBU to think that too many people are just choosing to stay on universal credit rather than work?

Obviously, I’m not talking about people who genuinely can’t work - disabilities, carers, etc (even though a lot of those who claim to be unfit for work are perfectly capable, and I’ve seen “carers” for people who don’t actually need any care…). But I know multiple people who are completely able-bodied and yet have no intention of ever getting a job. They say things like “it’s not worth it” or “I’d be worse off working,” and honestly, I don’t get it. I work full-time, pay tax, and yet I see people getting rent paid, extra handouts, and still managing holidays and luxuries I can’t afford. Not to mention that a lot of women think the government should subsidise their SAHM lifestyle.

I just don’t understand how it’s fair? Surely benefits should be a safety net, not a lifestyle choice? AIBU?

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We've tangled on other threads. You have your mean minded opinions, I'll stick to the reality I know, thanks 😘

I knew a couple. The man was physically disabled, and his wife had mental health issues. They cared for each other.
He was emotional support for her, and she did the practical stuff for him.
Before you get on my back about it, she is dead now.

Or are you saying that disabled people can never look after someone else properly? Kids? Are disabled people not allowed kids?

It's the vibe, man ......

How can somebody be too disabled to work but fine to have babies and raise children? The latter is far more taxing, mentally and physically.

I am seeing that now

Then your vibe catcher is off because I am a passionate believer in disability benefits - for the disabled. My personal view of disability is a bit different to what the law states, and I’m entitled to that opinion.

Checkmate then.

Are you saying that disabled people should not have kids?
Because it sounds like that is what you are saying.

According to your rules which I don’t believe in.

Are you actually serious right now?

Surely to God no one is that dense and insensitive?

I think if somebody is too disabled to work they’re too disabled to have children.

Firstly because if you’re too disabled to work, how can you physically and mentally care for children which is much harder?

Secondly because I think people should have children they can afford - if they’re not working and earning, they can’t afford it.

This is not remotely a controversial opinion, even if you want it to be.

I don't believe in lots of things.

Harvey my six foot rabbit agrees with me.

Yes, I’m being completely serious.

I have a very serious health condition and have children, I also work. It’s very very hard but I take my responsibilities to them and society seriously. If you are too unwell to work, then you’re too unwell to have children.

lol!

There are plenty of people on disability benefits who do work.

And what of those who become sick or disabled after childbirth (or because of childbirth)? Are you suggesting their children should be taken away from them?

Work and children are totally different things.

I know a few disabled parents and they are fucking amazing. They have the resilience to deal with their disability and have kids. They deserve medals if I am honest.
Kids and work are different things. Kids are family, your born and bred. Jobs - you are working your ass off to make money for someone else.
If you are disabled and struggling with kids, you get help. No one gives you help if you are struggling with kids and work.

I love the scent of eugenics in the morning. And Sanctimony, the new scent from Trump and Musk. I'm looking forward to the advert actually. I wonder which one will wear the tux, and which the ballgown as they run into each other's arms while the Whitehouse burns.....

Can’t you just address my practical points?

What are their disabilities?

I believe only a fifth of people who claim disability benefits work (or thereabouts).

If they’re working it’s no problem really - well enough to work, well enough to have kids. Their business.

If they become disabled after having children that’s different - the state should step in then. But not for something like a new diagnosis of ADHD.

Nah, I've just blown 6 quid on a bottle of Blossom Hill and I'd rather be creative because your points have been addressed multiple times on several threads, and on here.

The failing economy is not the fault of, in global context, a handful of unlucky people in the evolutionary lottery, living at the whim of greedy, power hungry tech bros and oligarchs.

And you don’t associate the failing economy with the scary benefits bill and sky high number of people out of work? Ok then

Ok, I will bite.
I know a few people with MS who have kids. Some others with Bipolar.
The absolute mother of them all, and she is amazing. She is bipolar, is physically disabled because her ex was abusive and broke her spine. Her little boy is AuDHD, her spouse has a life limiting and very disabling condition. She is a carer for them and somehow manages to pull the energy to have a part time job too.

And by step in I don’t mean remove the kids, I mean support them to stay with their parent.

If she works then I see little excuse for many others..