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To wonder where these kids are meant to go?!

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Wonderberry · 31/03/2025 19:06

Unfortunately, my child's school is closing due to the VAT imposition on private school fees. She has special needs, and her fees are paid for by her EHCP, as it is a cheaper alternative to a special school. I am not rich. She cannot attend a state mainstream due to her special needs, and the council agrees with this.

I now have no school placement for her. The special schools are hugely oversubscribed (over 10 applications per place). Even if she could go to a state mainstream, there is no space in any of them, due to lots of schools closing locally. I have called dozens of them in desperation, as I need for her to go somewhere.

I have been frantically contacting the council to get her a new school place. They won't even respond. I'm faced with her being without any school place shortly. I cannot home school as I need to work.

My DD is far from alone in this. Unfortunately, the government has paid no thought into the wellbeing of SEND children, when imposing the VAT.

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EasternStandard · 01/04/2025 21:10

Merryoldgoat · 01/04/2025 21:04

You might not like it but it’s the truth.

It’s widely acknowledged in the sector as well. The sector I’ve worked in for 10 years in finance.

A school without decent reserves unable to keep pupil numbers up was always going to fail.

I did a little consultancy at a prep in Surrey two years ago. They were rife with poor management, waste, and absolutely no governance.

They’re closing ‘because of VAT’. They bloody aren’t in reality.

Numbers of closures are up. 20% tax in one year would damage any sector.

Even yours if if had the same.

Cerealkiller9000 · 01/04/2025 21:15

SelkieSeal · 01/04/2025 06:04

I live in fear of this happening to my DS school. It's a tiny independent, on paper a mainstream but in reality at least 50% of the pupils are being funded via an EHCP. They specialise in providing an academic curriculum to children who are unable to cope in mainstream or who have school related trauma. As said above - it's actually much cheaper than a state special school place, especially when transport is taken into consideration. In my area the nearest state special school that can take children with my DS's profile is 45 miles away!

In his 5 years there my DS has gone from being excluded from his primary school for violent behaviour, unable to speak in school, daily restraint, needing 2-1 adult support and spending about 2 years being contained educated in a corridor....to being a star pupil, studying GCSE classes with his peers with minimal extra support, on track to take 10 GCSEs, well liked by staff and students, and truly thriving and happy in school.

But they're facing falling student numbers too as the parents who pay are choosing to go elsewhere or just home educate instead. If the school closes it will be an absolute disaster for the children Sad and there simply isn't anywhere else that offers what they do! There are many children like my DS there who have been slowly and patiently reintegrated into school life by the amazing staff. Most of them would go right back and lose all the progress they've made if uprooted and stuffed back into wherever has space for them.

@Wonderberry I really hope you find something that works for your DD Flowers

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Please please can you send me the school

my DD has massive school trauma and I would love somewhere to help her

Sotired222 · 01/04/2025 21:18

Wonderberry · 31/03/2025 19:06

Unfortunately, my child's school is closing due to the VAT imposition on private school fees. She has special needs, and her fees are paid for by her EHCP, as it is a cheaper alternative to a special school. I am not rich. She cannot attend a state mainstream due to her special needs, and the council agrees with this.

I now have no school placement for her. The special schools are hugely oversubscribed (over 10 applications per place). Even if she could go to a state mainstream, there is no space in any of them, due to lots of schools closing locally. I have called dozens of them in desperation, as I need for her to go somewhere.

I have been frantically contacting the council to get her a new school place. They won't even respond. I'm faced with her being without any school place shortly. I cannot home school as I need to work.

My DD is far from alone in this. Unfortunately, the government has paid no thought into the wellbeing of SEND children, when imposing the VAT.

She will probably fall through the gaps like so many children with additional needs. As parents we have no choice but to home educate as there simply are no schools for these children.

AhaHa · 01/04/2025 21:22

Merryoldgoat · 31/03/2025 19:29

A school closing now is not closing because of VAT - it’s because it was already in trouble and the VAT is just the push that a school barely hanging on needs to call it a day.

As a sector the variability in financial acumen is quite astonishing. Many are run responsibility with care and attention. MANY are compete basket cases.

I’m sorry for you - genuinely - but I guarantee if you looked at the past accounts of the school there is a long history of poor performance which hasn’t been addressed.

I don’t think this is true.
In my child’s school, literally one third of the children in child’s year are being pulled out at the end of this term.
It’s not a coincidence this is happening the year VAT gets added.
The school may be able to reduce number of classes and let go of some staff, but it’s unclear if this will be enough to keep them in business longer term.

StrivingForSleep · 01/04/2025 21:27

@Sotired222 if you don’t want to EHE, you could pursue EOTAS/EOTIS via the EHCP and, if DC is CSA, in the meantime pursue s19 provision.

Tiredalwaystired · 01/04/2025 21:36

Wonderberry · 31/03/2025 19:39

A lot of schools have closed since the VAT. Some may have closed anyway, but it has accelerated the closure rate. It has also meant parents moving kids to state as understandably they cannot afford fees anymore, but there is no space left in the state sector. Lots of state schools are closing too locally.

Where are you in the country?

It seems crazy to shut down whole state primaries if all the private options are closing.

Stopsnowing · 01/04/2025 21:36

Merryoldgoat · 31/03/2025 19:29

A school closing now is not closing because of VAT - it’s because it was already in trouble and the VAT is just the push that a school barely hanging on needs to call it a day.

As a sector the variability in financial acumen is quite astonishing. Many are run responsibility with care and attention. MANY are compete basket cases.

I’m sorry for you - genuinely - but I guarantee if you looked at the past accounts of the school there is a long history of poor performance which hasn’t been addressed.

Upping costs to parents by 20 per cent is enough to tip any school over the edge.

CloudPop · 01/04/2025 21:44

twistyizzy · 01/04/2025 20:57

It really isn't

It really is

CloudPop · 01/04/2025 21:46

twistyizzy · 01/04/2025 20:57

It really isn't

Do you genuinely think they were absolutely fine financially until VAT came in ?

EasternStandard · 01/04/2025 21:51

CloudPop · 01/04/2025 21:46

Do you genuinely think they were absolutely fine financially until VAT came in ?

What sector do you work in that a 20% tax and extra costs wouldn’t damage it and cause closures and job losses?

MyToasterCanLiveAgain · 01/04/2025 21:58

Merryoldgoat · 31/03/2025 19:29

A school closing now is not closing because of VAT - it’s because it was already in trouble and the VAT is just the push that a school barely hanging on needs to call it a day.

As a sector the variability in financial acumen is quite astonishing. Many are run responsibility with care and attention. MANY are compete basket cases.

I’m sorry for you - genuinely - but I guarantee if you looked at the past accounts of the school there is a long history of poor performance which hasn’t been addressed.

A lot of schools are just about managing and the massive increase in utilities and other expenses have hit schools really badly. Even well managed schools are struggling and it won't take much for them to fold. Maybe that was always the aim but I do feel sorry for the kids who are suddenly uprooted. Changing schools is usually stressful and if you struggle to find a sensible place even more so

Cannaeberught · 01/04/2025 22:00

It’s hard to feel sorry for a privileged minority - these famously small classes are clearly too small.

Booboobagins · 01/04/2025 22:01

You dont say where yiu are in the UK.

If you're in the SE or Cambridge, Dukes Education has just started a fabulous programme which may help. Give them a call and see if they have a suitable school.

Good luck.

mindutopia · 01/04/2025 22:06

The problem is not VAT (this school was certainly in trouble before and there’s probably a reason you could get dd a place there but not other potentially suitable places).

The problem is insufficient provision for children by the government. This isn’t a new problem. It’s a longstanding one. And we need to fund better and more provision for children who need support in mainstream schools and who need support outside of them. That funding comes from taxes, not from thin air.

Hwi · 01/04/2025 22:06

Politics of envy is just that - it is about envy, not about where those children will have to go.

Wonderberry · 01/04/2025 22:15

Tiredalwaystired · 01/04/2025 21:36

Where are you in the country?

It seems crazy to shut down whole state primaries if all the private options are closing.

I'm in London. Clearly there is a lack of holistic planning here.

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Wonderberry · 01/04/2025 22:19

Cannaeberught · 01/04/2025 22:00

It’s hard to feel sorry for a privileged minority - these famously small classes are clearly too small.

We are hardly the 'privileged minority'. I work hard but cannot afford private school. My children go to state school but my daughter couldn't learn there due to her disability. Her EHCP pays for her school fees, as like all children, she is entitled to a suitable education.

Honestly, having a disabled child is so hard, it is about as far from being 'privileged' as is possible. I may soon be forced to give up work and go on benefits if no school placement is found for her, all through lack of choice.

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Wolfpa · 01/04/2025 22:22

VAT has only just been bought in, your school will have been dead in the water before the change.

Cannaeberught · 01/04/2025 22:23

Wolfpa · 01/04/2025 22:22

VAT has only just been bought in, your school will have been dead in the water before the change.

Exactly. These threads are starting to get really boring now.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2025 22:25

Cannaeberught · 01/04/2025 22:00

It’s hard to feel sorry for a privileged minority - these famously small classes are clearly too small.

Including the op who can’t get a school place for her dc with SEN?

Wonderberry · 01/04/2025 22:42

Sadly there is a sizeable minority who seem to have ill will to someone in my situation. I would far rather that my child was in state mainstream, with her siblings. Unfortunately, it is not possible. The state mainstream could not cope with her.

We spent many years there trying,but they eventually asked her to leave. Her dysregulation also meant that it wasn't fair on her peers in the mainstream environment. It wasn't fair on her teachers and TAs either.

No one is best served by keeping children in state mainstream who cannot be educated there. She also learnt absolutely nothing, as she was never able to manage the classroom.

Having a disabled child is hinders life in all aspects. Everything has to be planned around her, and the logistics of her going to a different school to her siblings has been complicated and costly (we do not get transport). As has the therapy and weekly appointments she has required.

Right now, I am really stressed out trying to get her a school place, while trying to parent her and my other children, and work in a really stressful job, as a single parent. I cannot work from home,and would be forced out of work if I cannot secure her a school place.

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BustopherPonsonbyJones · 01/04/2025 22:44

CloudPop · 01/04/2025 21:46

Do you genuinely think they were absolutely fine financially until VAT came in ?

But the schools could have continued running without the government deliberately targeting them with one hit after another, after another. The schools have dealt with the pandemic and CoL and remained open.There was absolutely no need to do this at a low point, Imagine the same happening to another (suitably left-wing) industry of your choice - steel, cars, haulage - and imagine the outcry about the impact on communities and workers.

Don't worry though. The train drivers are doing very nicely out of Labour. That was a good use of our money.

Grammarnut · 01/04/2025 22:46

This was a spiteful policy and many are suffering. I am so sorry for you and your DD - none of this was thought of by this pack of ideologues.

Grammarnut · 01/04/2025 22:48

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 01/04/2025 22:44

But the schools could have continued running without the government deliberately targeting them with one hit after another, after another. The schools have dealt with the pandemic and CoL and remained open.There was absolutely no need to do this at a low point, Imagine the same happening to another (suitably left-wing) industry of your choice - steel, cars, haulage - and imagine the outcry about the impact on communities and workers.

Don't worry though. The train drivers are doing very nicely out of Labour. That was a good use of our money.

There was an attack on those industries in the 80s. There was an outcry. It did nothing - which is why we are now paying inflated energy costs, for one. Ideology is poisonous in a government, whether of right or left, or centre (this lot are centre right IMO).

Fioratourer · 01/04/2025 22:48

I’m not sure if this has already been said but I found for a tutor funded by the la a parent needed to be present at home. Have you considered schools further away that the la will cover a taxi too?