To go abroad when working from home?

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If I went to Italy or France or Spain or wherever... and logged in and did my work - would this be wrong?
I work 8-2 Mon - Thurs normally
Never have to go into office, except for 4 meetings a year.

And I would work as usual, and thought I could then spend the afternoons exploring and taking it all in.

There's nothing wrong with my idea, is there??

I mean you just have to ask don't you?

If you are abroad then you're not WFH.

Why are you asking on Mumsnet and not your employer?

Is it because you just want to do it and get away with it? Perhaps you don't want to ask your employer and be refused?!

You will have to check with work
one of my reports went to Egypt, network instantly recognised and he was locked out & alert went to management.

Ha. I am plucking up the courage to wfh one day next month from my son’s university town 60 miles away. I would never dare to go abroad!

We can usually only work from our home address when working remotely. Occasionally we can get approval to work from elsewhere for compelling personal reasons, as I was able to do when my DM broke her arm, but we have to combine it with at least two days of annual leave (which I believe is to make sure that people aren't saying that they're working whilst they're actually travelling).

Blimey. That question alone makes me think you could do with a bit of training on data management.

Maybe the work you do has meant you don’t need it so that’s why you don’t know? If so, your employer might be relaxed about your plan? Have a look at your employee info pack and company policies then pass it by your manager. That would be the professional thing to do.

We do it all the time.

I go to my hometown and will work from my mother’s house.

I have colleagues who will go to Paris. Work from
the Paris office. Or work from their hotel in Paris. I don’t see the issue. It’s only a problem if you want to go to Australia and are on a completely different time zone.

There is a chance of hacking anywhere but doing this in a country you’re not meant to will result in dismissal with most companies. Get permission before you try.

It would be a disciplinary matter where I work. It’s something we looked at when hybrid working was introduced but the tax and data security risks were too big so we have a blanket ban and geo-tracing on our systems.

You’d need to understand your company’s policy. I wouldn’t take the risk of just doing it without knowing if it’s permitted.

I am fully remote and my employer only allows 6 weeks a year working abroad at designated times over the summer and at Christmas.

If the loses her job ober this then there won't be any holidays at all.Let alone free ones to avoid using her annual leave entitlement.

It's her risk to run, and it's her decision to do it, but I think it's very foolhardy.

Some of our clients require us to only process their data in certain jurisdictions, we pay (a lot) extra to ensure this is the case (eg cloud storage only in certain countries). Some random hotel in Europe is unlikely to be able to give the same guarantees when you are using their wifi! You could inadvertently cause your company to violate its agreements with clients, in addition to increasing the risk of a hacking incident as shared public WiFi is not secure, do you really think that taking such risks is ok?

The issue is many (most?) employers don’t allow it for data protection reasons. So asking mumsnet whether it’s ok is pointless

In the big girl world, it's generally called working remotely and plenty of people on this thread have workplaces that allow it, making it a completely reasonable question.

Like others, my company allows 20 days/year.

There’s a lot of responses saying that it’s fine with their employers, which is all well and good, but as several have pointed out, any work done while in another country may have tax implications for you and/ or your company; may have insurance implications and very likely has data security implications.

I travelled a lot for work and in some countries we required customs declarations for laptops & phones , or any other equipment; in others, such as Norway, we had to pay Norwegian tax on our income earned there.

Sadly, since Brexit, it’s harder just to move locations and start work.

Depending on the size of your company, your security team will immediately know you have logged in from another country. If you need to access a server for example, likely won’t work. Best thing is to just ask the question. If you already have a flexible working environment (which it sounds like you do), they may be open to it ad-hoc.

Our company allows this, but they have to know about it. Just ask them and see what they say.

"If I went to Italy or France or Spain or wherever... and logged in and did my work - would this be wrong?"
Do you have a work visa or permit for the countries you're planning on going to? If the answer to that is no, then it would be wrong. As pp have said, there can also be tax implications. Now add in the data security issues. Does your insurance cover any company issued equipment?

Obviously you ask your manager?

Mine doesn't mention it either way. It's a fair enough question from the OP. Hate it when people are deliberately rude.

We do this is my company, but it needs to be for a short time as nit to create tax issues if you "reside" in that country.
And it needs to be communicated in advance and Internet always connected to our VPN due to data protection.

If they will allow employees to work from home, it makes no sense to somehow have data privacy concerns when “home” is a different country or a different city.

But I agree she has to see what her employer states.

For us “remote working” means just that. The only challenge would be if we could not be reached.

Surely it depends on your work policy. At my work you have to apply each time to be allowed to work from abroad and there might be restrictions placed upon the systems you can access.
No one here can tell you whether you’re allowed to work fro a broad or not

Check all the terms and conditions. In my last role we were not allowed to take laptops out of the UK unless on official business and also not supposed to log on in EG cafes with WiFi as it wasn't considered secure. I imagine your IT people would be able to tell if one of their laptops was logged in overseas?