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Mum's alcohol dependancy, what do I do

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Anonymous2003 · 24/03/2025 15:20

Posting here for traffic. Long story short my mum has always had a drink problem which has created issues in the family but she has never addressed it, thinks it's hilarious and laughs it off. She holds down a full time job but especially since living alone she drinks almost every night, always wine. Always has an excuse, "I've had a long day at work" (it's Monday), or on Wednesday "it's hump day". I have asked her a couple of times recently not to drink when I visit and she will comply, but last week was the first time she was clearly drunk but tried to hide it. She had a non-alcoholic drink with dinner and had hidden her wine glass and bottle. I hate being around her when she drinks. Even one glass of wine has an effect on her and she is just so bloody annoying, can't have a proper conversation with her etc. I am due to visit her tonight and everytime I visit and see a glass of wine poured my heart sinks. I am considering texting her that I have been so worried and really don't want her to drink during my visits. But then again it's so hard and uncomfortable. I worry about her health, my future relationship with her and even my future children's relationship with her.

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Anonymous2003 · 24/03/2025 17:43

@harveythehorse yes I know other relatives who are concerned but it would look as if we are ganging up on her, and I feel ashamed talking to others about it and admitting she has a problem

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Wineatfiveisfine · 24/03/2025 18:22

I’m so sorry that you are going through this.

Ive posted before about my mum - a very similar situation.

She has been an alcoholic for about 35 years and is now in the stages of alcohol induced early dementia. Despite my siblings and I going pretty much no contact with the explanation of why, she continues to drink.

We’ve tried AA / Drink Awareness - she has been referred for counselling via her dr surgery. Is that something that you could encourage her to do?

I really do feel for you - it’s a dreadful position to be in.

💐

Anonymous2003 · 24/03/2025 18:27

@Wineatfiveisfine well from her texts it seems like she is in total denial so no hope of going to groups. She had counselling for life issues but not sure if she discussed drinking with her counsellor.
My paternal grandmother drank less than my mum and ended up with deranged LFTs and now does not drink although she has now developed dementia so wouldn't be drinking anyway.

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Anonymous2003 · 31/03/2025 19:11

Just updating this thread for someone to listen... I'm at her house currently. She isn't drunk but has clearly had a drink or two and again has hidden the evidence. I can tell instantly from her voice and laugh and way of speech that she's been drinking and I suspect she may be sneaking into her bedroom for a swig here and there. I don't want to say anything in front of my brother but we both aren't stupid.. I genuinely think that she thinks she comes across as totally sober. Feel like crying rn.

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ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 31/03/2025 19:22

I’m sorry. All you can do is leave, either together or by yourself. You can’t help her if she doesn’t want to be helped.

What would make you feel better? Go or stay?

5128gap · 31/03/2025 19:27

I would leave OP. If you stay and pretend it's normal it will feed into her delusion no one can tell (so she's fine). I'd just say "mum let me know a night when you've not had a drink and I'll come back then" Then don't stay around for the denials, just go.

Anonymous2003 · 31/03/2025 19:29

@ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself I don't want to leave her and I can't really do so as it would totally fuck up the family anyway. It's just very painful. Thank you for listening

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Anonymous2003 · 31/03/2025 19:30

@5128gap it's just so hard. I've started seeing a counsellor, I have a session on Friday so I'm hoping that will help me to talk things through.

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IReallyLoveItHere · 31/03/2025 19:34

Tbh you have a problem, your DM doesn't.

She doesn't want to stop drinking.

'I don't want to see you if you are drinking' or similar is coersive control.

You can tell her you don't like the interactions between you when she has been drinking and so will avoid spending time with her when she has. Then you can time visits for when she's less likely to be drinking or leave if you arrive and she has.

She's an adult, she can drink if she wishes and accept any consequences it brings. You can also do as you wish but you cannot control another adult.

IReallyLoveItHere · 31/03/2025 19:36

Also realise that there is something wrong with her and you don't understand. She isn't doing it to spite you.

Andante57 · 31/03/2025 19:40

Op Im sorry you’re going through this.
I second pp’s suggestions of Al Anon. You will find help and support from people who are going through/have been through the same as you.

Anonymous2003 · 31/03/2025 19:41

@IReallyLoveItHere I think coercive control is a very extreme term... I know I can't make her stop drinking. She has to do that herself. But I can still be upset about the years of pain this has caused me since childhood.

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ForGladGreen · 31/03/2025 20:05

Hi OP, couldn’t not post on this. My mum is an alcoholic, drunk every day throughout my childhood but held down a normal job so from the outside nobody ever really knew how bad it was. As a family we just tolerated her being drunk every night! She was a horrible drunk, but is a lovely lovely sober person. I became finely tuned to knowing what kind of mood she was in / how drunk she was by the smallest of things - the smell of the house when I walked in, the sound of her voice, how she laughed etc. Children of alcoholics are expert mood readers and have spent their childhoods on tenterhooks waiting for the mood in the room to tip / observing how much drink is left etc. My mum eventually got liver disease and ascites, but for years and decades before this it was a case of watching her health deteriorating - no appetite, sallow skin, extended stomach from fluid build up (Ascites). Eventually we managed to get her to the GP, and he requested we go to get her bloods done. She was detoxed in hospital, told she would likely die if she continues drinking and was then sober for a year after that. The past 5 years have been her largely sober but with relapses here and there. I am so proud of her. For 30 years she drank every single day (no exaggeration) bottles of wine a day as well as whiskey / brandy when it was very bad. There were bottles in wardrobes, shoes, bushes in the garden you name it. For many years we didn’t dare say anything to her, it was the unnamed secret in our house. Eventually it got so bad and us kids grew up and we started to voice how sad it was making us.

I would really recommend Al Anon groups for families, as the only thing you can do if your mum is not at the point of realising she has a problem is to free yourself of trying to control her drinking. You can’t, and you will drive yourself mad trying to (believe me). If your mum wants to drink she will drink, and it sounds like she may already be at the point of hiding drinks etc to disguise how much she is having. Only she can stop this cycle. She has to actually want to stop for herself, not for you or your sibling.

What you can do is keep voicing that you think she has a problem, start to voice when you notice her speech is slurred so that she is aware her drinking is becoming obvious (this doesn’t need to be confrontational but could be “mum you are starting to slur a bit / stumble a bit, could we maybe get you a coffee and some food to sober you up as I don’t enjoy being in your company when you’ve been drinking”). Begin to voice some boundaries, (“that will be lovely to see you, I’m only going to be comfortable spending time with you if you’re sober though so hopefully we can spend some time without alcohol”.) The more your mum resists these boundaries, the more you will have to gradually retreat away.

it is really really hard to watch someone you love drink themselves to death. My mum’s personality was so different drunk that I found myself grieving the sober version of her that I hardly got to see. But nowadays I see my sober mum all the time, and she is doing really well. The only way that has happened is because she got to the point of realising she needed help.

You can help get your mum there by communicating with her that you think her alcohol dependency is harmful, and you can insist on only seeing her when she is sober, you can point her to support groups like AA but beyond that it really does all come down to your Mum. You will just need to decide how much you need to protect yourself and your sanity by putting boundaries in place.

Al Anon has people just like you and I who have been right where you are. I found the groups near me really helpful and comforting. Go easy on yourself, it’s so hard to love someone with an addiction x

Anonymous2003 · 31/03/2025 20:16

@ForGladGreen wow, thank you so much for taking the time to write such a long reply 🥰 I really appreciate your compassion. It's so easy for people to say just leave, but unless you have been in our position, you don't know how painful it is to watch a loved one drink themselves into an idiot. My mum is like yours, lovely when sober but after even one drink she is a different person. She used to be extremely aggressive and angry when I was a child. There is an Alanon group in my town but I'm a bit nervous about going in case I see someone who knows me. It's such a shameful thing within the family. I will reread your comment whenever I need some comfort ♥️

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Anonymous2003 · 31/03/2025 20:17

@ForGladGreen also re. being an expert mood reader, I relate very much. I can tell from her voice within seconds, even on the phone, if she has been drinking. I don't even know how she is noticeably affected by one glass of wine since she is basically immune to hangovers

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mathanxiety · 31/03/2025 20:34

Anonymous2003 · 24/03/2025 17:16

Thank you everyone for the kind replies. I feel quite reassured that I'm not having a go at her. I replied saying I do think she has a problem and I'm only saying this as I love and care about her. I agree with the comment that said this isn't a conversation to have over text, which I agree with but I don't get a lot of time alone with her and I worry that it could turn sour, whereas I don't need to worry about this over text.
I may bring it up with her in person at some stage.
I've said my piece for now and I did say to her that it is up to her at the end of the day, not me nor anyone else.

The problem in the relationship is that you value it but she doesn't.

She is choosing alcohol over connection.

This is heartbreaking for you. I really urge you to go to Al Anon, for people affected by someone else's drinking. You will see you're not alone and maybe accept that trying to control your mother's drinking or cure her is a futile exercise.

I also urge you to read "Co-dependent No More" by Melody Beattie.

internallyrebellious · 31/03/2025 20:35

My Mom has been an alcoholic for the last 5ish years having been virtually teetotal her whole life up until that point. Several of her family members had been alcoholics too so she’d seen first hand how devastating it is for family members but she had a very rough upbringing and has always struggled with depression so eventually she couldn’t take the strain anymore.

It got really bad, I remember at one point being in a pub having lunch in the middle of the day and she was so drunk she could barely keep her eyes open or stand up straight. I was furious with her and at the same time so sad that she had turned into this completely different person from the one I knew and loved.

In the end we all had to have a serious conversation with her about how bad things had gotten and it turned out that she was aware but was just scared to get help. It took many, many attempts and hospital stays, plus a lot of other stuff but she’s now been sober over a month and seems to be doing really well so fingers crossed it lasts! It’s really hard to admit that you have a problem and even harder to admit that it’s gotten out of your control to fix and you need help to do so.

It is a truly awful thing to go through OP, you have my sympathy and support. As PP mentioned you really do have to accept that you cannot do anything to help or make her stop except love and support her as best you can and try to distance yourself when necessary. I remember at one point being almost frantic with stress & worry and talking about giving up my job to go move across the country and sleep on her sofa to physically stop her drinking, the only thing that gave me some semblance of peace was accepting the fact that she had to do it for herself and that nothing anyone else could do would work until she was willing to help herself.

Good luck Op x

5128gap · 31/03/2025 20:40

Anonymous2003 · 31/03/2025 19:30

@5128gap it's just so hard. I've started seeing a counsellor, I have a session on Friday so I'm hoping that will help me to talk things through.

It is hard. I understand. But, your mum is going to drink whether you're there or not, so your presence isnt preventing the problem, and it's harder for you to sit and watch her drink than not.

frogpigdonkey · 31/03/2025 20:51

There’s nothing you can do. Her relationship with alcohol is more important than any other relationship. I’m not saying this to be harsh- my mum was the same. I’d have long phone chats with her where I poured my heart out and she wouldn’t remember. It broke my heart. We’d turn up to take her to see family or for events and she’d be too drunk to go. She never accepted she had a problem with drink, lied about it constantly, and ultimately died alone as a result of her drinking. Do what you can to see her, love her, but be prepared to set boundaries so it doesn’t drag you down too. Get all the support you can but if she doesn’t accept there is an issue, you’re a bystander in her fuck up. I’m sorry.

LindorDoubleChoc · 31/03/2025 20:57

@mathanxiety - you can't tell OP that her mother doesn't value their relationship! That's incredibly hurtful. It's highly likely that OP's mother does value their relationship hugely but, separate to that, she is an alcoholic.

OP - tell her honestly and tell her once only and then take a massive step back. You don't owe her anything in terms of trying to get her to stop and it will be pointless anyway. You really do not have to choose to have anything to do with her, even though she's your mother. It will give you nothing but grief and heartbreak to try and fix her. So sorry.

Toothpastestain · 31/03/2025 21:07

I haven't read the whole thread but my friend has had great support from the National Association of Children of Alcoholics.

Anonymous2003 · 31/03/2025 21:57

@LindorDoubleChoc you are right, she definitely values our relationship and has a lot of love for me but has a separate problem which she is in denial about.
I do hope to move out of my hometown in the future to create some distance although I know I will still worry about her a lot being alone.

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SunnySideDeepDown · 31/03/2025 22:16

IReallyLoveItHere · 31/03/2025 19:34

Tbh you have a problem, your DM doesn't.

She doesn't want to stop drinking.

'I don't want to see you if you are drinking' or similar is coersive control.

You can tell her you don't like the interactions between you when she has been drinking and so will avoid spending time with her when she has. Then you can time visits for when she's less likely to be drinking or leave if you arrive and she has.

She's an adult, she can drink if she wishes and accept any consequences it brings. You can also do as you wish but you cannot control another adult.

Bullshit. This is a woman worried about her mum who wants to help her not self destruct. Don’t shame her for feeling the way she does and trying to help her mum see her problem.

OP - my mum was drinking every night for a few years, it got to the stage of a bottle a night. She didn’t act drunk but would take herself away and spend all night in her computer drinking. I hated it. Hated watching her dependency grow and not know what I could do to help.

Im so fortunate that she had a wake up call and she went cold turkey and hasn’t had a drop to drink in 15 years. At the same time she stopped another addiction too and I got my mum back! Just in time for the grandkids to start coming so for us, it all worked out.

I would hint at my mum but she did it for herself. My dad would even buy her the wine despite him not drinking at all. When she stopped, she made money her motivation. Not us kids, not her marriage. Her.

I would maybe say one more thing to her. That whether or not she feels she has a problem, her drinking makes you uncomfortable. And leave it there. Go round less and just check in by text instead. Protect yourself emotionally. Either she’ll choose to stop or she won’t, but she 100% knows it’s a problem, she just doesn’t want to stop badly enough yet.

Anonymous2003 · 07/04/2025 18:59

Update: we sat down to dinner and I could tell she had a drink. I asked her and she denied it. She proceeded to get very angry with me and denied it. I left and I heard her yelling at my brother (who wanted me to stay) about me as I was on my way out. I feel so guilty and heartbroken, second guessing myself, was she actually sober? I don't think it. I told her we can talk tomorrow, she couldn't even look at me. I regret it and should've said nothing.

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5128gap · 07/04/2025 19:12

Anonymous2003 · 07/04/2025 18:59

Update: we sat down to dinner and I could tell she had a drink. I asked her and she denied it. She proceeded to get very angry with me and denied it. I left and I heard her yelling at my brother (who wanted me to stay) about me as I was on my way out. I feel so guilty and heartbroken, second guessing myself, was she actually sober? I don't think it. I told her we can talk tomorrow, she couldn't even look at me. I regret it and should've said nothing.

If you could tell she'd had a drink, she'd had a drink. You are doubting yourself because you being mistaken feels more plausible and less hurtful than your own mum lying to your face. Unfortunately alcoholism and lies go hand in hand. Otherwise decent, honest people will tell you black is white if they think it will conceal or take the heat off their drinking, because nothing matters more in the moment than getting you off their case so they can carry on. Don't doubt yourself and don't take it personally. It's the nature of the beast. Well done for removing yourself. It's better for you both.