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Indian meal - stop moaning and eat!

333 replies

IGetWeak · 24/03/2025 12:28

I need to know if I’m going nuts, because I’ve been told I overreacted, whereas I think I was actually pretty restrained!

My dad is the kind of person who won’t say something once when five times will do. Like if you go for the weekend and he’s heard a new joke, for example, he can’t just tell you it - he’ll have to find a way to throw the punchline into several other conversations over the weekend. It’s usually a mild irritant, but sometimes he does it when he’s moaning about something; in which case it just starts to feel a bit relentless.

Anyway, I was visiting this weekend and had noticed an Indian restaurant we all like has started doing a Sunday buffet. I suggested I treat us on the Sunday to save my mum cooking. Everyone was happy to go.

It ran from 12 - 4, so we decided to go at 3, as we all like a late breakfast and late lunch on Sundays. However, it turned out this was a mistake, as it seemed like it was already winding down. Empty trays were being taken away and not replaced; there were no vegetable side dishes, only a new broken poppadoms left etc.. A bit disappointing, but no big deal - we could either go earlier next time or just not go again, right?

My dad would not let it go, ALL through the meal. Everything was a complaint. “No side dishes? It’s supposed to be a buffet!” (I’m vegetarian, so the absence of vegetable side dishes should have been an issue for me if anything - for him, the vegetable main could be a side dish.) He asked were they bringing out more poppadoms; when they said they’d finished them for the day, he looked like a child whose favourite toy had been confiscated. He kept saying, “No more poppadoms? No sides? There wasn’t even any sauces or mango chutney!”

My mum and I were both getting fed up now; she’d told him to leave it and that we just wouldn’t come again. He was still muttering and I said, “Look, I know you’re not happy, but I thought I was doing something nice, and there’s nothing we can do, so let’s just talk about something else.” He said, “Well what do you want me to do? I can’t pretend I’m enjoying it.” By this point I’m properly grinding my teeth and say, “You don’t have to pretend - just stop going over it.”

My mum and I tried to ignore him and carry on with our conversation. He starts AGAIN, saying in this sort of bewildered tone, “The poppadoms, the sides, the extras… that’s what makes an Indian! There was hardly anything! No mango chutney!”

Well, something about that sodding chutney made me snap. I got up and said, “Right, that’s it. I can either go to Sainsbury’s and BUY some mango bloody chutney, and you can have the whole jar, or we can just finish our meal in peace!!”

I’m sure you can imagine how this went down. On one hand, it had the desired effect - he did actually stop moaning. But now he’s barely talking to me at all, and my mum is doing her usual thing of making it about my reaction instead of the cause of it. I’m sick of it. Why am I being made to feel like I pushed him to “pretend” he’d enjoyed a meal, just because I didn’t want the entire event to be one endless running commentary about how awful it had all been? Most people would just say thank you, but not him.

I’m not even expecting an apology, because I know I won’t get one. But I’m certainly not giving one. And I feel like yet again, it will just end up as “let’s forget it” with nothing changing.

OP posts:
daleylama · 26/03/2025 02:11

IGetWeak · 24/03/2025 15:49

We did ask. That’s how we knew they weren’t bringing any more out. It’s in my OP.

Cheeky! They should have given you a discount. Your papa sounds insufferable.

RareFatball · 26/03/2025 05:50

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 24/03/2025 12:31

I would be as annoyed as he was tbh! In fact I probably would have refused to eat there. If they run until a certain time then all the dishes should be available until that time!

Absolutely, to not replenish empty trays an hour before their buffet time ends is ridiculous.
I would not have stayed to eat.

CMZ2018 · 26/03/2025 07:23

I don’t blame him it sounds horrendous

AngelicKaty · 26/03/2025 08:22

diagnosisdisco · 25/03/2025 19:22

I would not be able to control my sulking if I went for an Indian buffet and they had packed the veggie sides, poppadoms and chutney away. Team dad.

Seriously? I'd be annoyed if there was no rice, curries and naan bread - you know, the food that is actually "the meal" and stops you going home hungry. However, whatever was "lacking" I would neither complain or sulk (what normal, fully-grown adult sulks FFS,?) when someone else is footing the bill! Particularly when that someone is a person I care about and whose feelings I wouldn't want to hurt by going on, ad nauseum, about it.
There are far too many adults (allegedly) on here who need to grow up and stop using sulking as a weapon. You wouldn't tolerate it in your kids, so why do you think it's acceptable in your own behaviour?

diagnosisdisco · 26/03/2025 09:17
koffee with karan sulking GIF

Blimey.

All that over a tongue-in-cheek comment about poppadoms and chutney? I wasn’t expecting to be diagnosed with a personality disorder because I admitted I’d be a bit gutted if a buffet wound down before I got to the veggie sides.

Just to clarify – I didn’t throw my cutlery, shout at the staff, or lie on the floor kicking and screaming for mango chutney. I made a light-hearted comment on a social forum because yes, if I’d paid for a meal out and found it disappointing, I’d feel a bit… disappointed. That’s not immature “sulking” – it’s human. And frankly, if a poppadom shortage is now grounds for a public character assassination, I fear for us all.

For what it’s worth, last year I hosted a big group of family and extended relatives out for my husband’s birthday. It was expensive. It was also absolutely shit. We smiled, we thanked the waiters, we left a tip. No drama. But I also called it – “Is anyone else's meal as utterly shit as mine?” – and suddenly everyone could relax, because their meals were also rubbish, and my dad had been itching to say something but politeness was holding him back even though I could see it written on his face. No silent resentment, no pretending. We had a good laugh, salvaged the evening, and no one was scarred for life.

I don’t think that makes me emotionally stunted or destined for estrangement from my kids. I think it means I know how to read a room, name a mood, and clear the air.

And let’s also take a moment for the fact that some of our older relatives – the ones who seem to be “banging on” about things – might be doing so because they’re lonely, or low, or yes, maybe even facing a bit of cognitive decline. It doesn’t mean they aren’t annoying at times (God knows they can be), but responding with empathy instead of sanctimony might actually help everyone enjoy their meal more. My grandmother RIP could be a right nobber when we went out to eat, recognising that bad behaviour is sometimes an illustration of things slipping away from someone can be a great act of compassion.

Honestly, the energy on here sometimes. I cracked a joke about missing my mango chutney, not declared war on politeness, parenting, and civilisation.

So, to @GuevarasBeret @IGetWeak and @AngelicKaty thanks to each of you for taking the time to reply to my one tiny comment on the thread. I genuinely didn’t expect it to provoke quite so much depth of feeling!

Just to say – I absolutely wasn’t trying to glorify bad manners or prolonged sulking (we’ve all sat through that meal with that relative). I was just poking fun at how gutted I’d personally be if I turned up for an Indian buffet and the good stuff had already gone. For me, it was more about sharing a small, relatable disappointment than advocating for a five-day strop over poppadoms.

I know tone can be hard to read online, and everyone brings their own life experience to these threads – which is what makes Mumsnet such a great space when it works well. I do think we could all, from time to time, extend each other a bit more grace. It’s entirely possible to challenge or disagree without jumping to conclusions about someone’s emotional development, parenting future, or moral compass.

So – no hard feelings from my side, and I’m always up for a good-natured debate about the true MVP of the Indian buffet. (It’s mango chutney. Obviously.)

Wishing you all a peaceful week – and may your next curry be hot, fresh, and fully stocked.

AthWat · 26/03/2025 09:34

diagnosisdisco · 26/03/2025 09:17

Blimey.

All that over a tongue-in-cheek comment about poppadoms and chutney? I wasn’t expecting to be diagnosed with a personality disorder because I admitted I’d be a bit gutted if a buffet wound down before I got to the veggie sides.

Just to clarify – I didn’t throw my cutlery, shout at the staff, or lie on the floor kicking and screaming for mango chutney. I made a light-hearted comment on a social forum because yes, if I’d paid for a meal out and found it disappointing, I’d feel a bit… disappointed. That’s not immature “sulking” – it’s human. And frankly, if a poppadom shortage is now grounds for a public character assassination, I fear for us all.

For what it’s worth, last year I hosted a big group of family and extended relatives out for my husband’s birthday. It was expensive. It was also absolutely shit. We smiled, we thanked the waiters, we left a tip. No drama. But I also called it – “Is anyone else's meal as utterly shit as mine?” – and suddenly everyone could relax, because their meals were also rubbish, and my dad had been itching to say something but politeness was holding him back even though I could see it written on his face. No silent resentment, no pretending. We had a good laugh, salvaged the evening, and no one was scarred for life.

I don’t think that makes me emotionally stunted or destined for estrangement from my kids. I think it means I know how to read a room, name a mood, and clear the air.

And let’s also take a moment for the fact that some of our older relatives – the ones who seem to be “banging on” about things – might be doing so because they’re lonely, or low, or yes, maybe even facing a bit of cognitive decline. It doesn’t mean they aren’t annoying at times (God knows they can be), but responding with empathy instead of sanctimony might actually help everyone enjoy their meal more. My grandmother RIP could be a right nobber when we went out to eat, recognising that bad behaviour is sometimes an illustration of things slipping away from someone can be a great act of compassion.

Honestly, the energy on here sometimes. I cracked a joke about missing my mango chutney, not declared war on politeness, parenting, and civilisation.

So, to @GuevarasBeret @IGetWeak and @AngelicKaty thanks to each of you for taking the time to reply to my one tiny comment on the thread. I genuinely didn’t expect it to provoke quite so much depth of feeling!

Just to say – I absolutely wasn’t trying to glorify bad manners or prolonged sulking (we’ve all sat through that meal with that relative). I was just poking fun at how gutted I’d personally be if I turned up for an Indian buffet and the good stuff had already gone. For me, it was more about sharing a small, relatable disappointment than advocating for a five-day strop over poppadoms.

I know tone can be hard to read online, and everyone brings their own life experience to these threads – which is what makes Mumsnet such a great space when it works well. I do think we could all, from time to time, extend each other a bit more grace. It’s entirely possible to challenge or disagree without jumping to conclusions about someone’s emotional development, parenting future, or moral compass.

So – no hard feelings from my side, and I’m always up for a good-natured debate about the true MVP of the Indian buffet. (It’s mango chutney. Obviously.)

Wishing you all a peaceful week – and may your next curry be hot, fresh, and fully stocked.

You still don't seem to get it.

The thread is about whether a hosted person has the right to sulk, moan and throw a tantrum. Your experience is entirely irrelevant to that.

As I suggested before, I believe you've essentially simply not read the OP properly and come down in a position you don't actually hold.

"Team dad" is not "it's ok to complain at bad meals in restaurants", "team dad" is "it's ok for an adult to ruin a meal for everyone by constant moaning and sulking because they are a little disappointed". Can we assume you don't think it's ok to do that? If so, then you are not "team dad", and you shouldn't have said you were, and that's the reason you've got comments you think are a bit over the top.

diagnosisdisco · 26/03/2025 09:55

AthWat · 26/03/2025 09:34

You still don't seem to get it.

The thread is about whether a hosted person has the right to sulk, moan and throw a tantrum. Your experience is entirely irrelevant to that.

As I suggested before, I believe you've essentially simply not read the OP properly and come down in a position you don't actually hold.

"Team dad" is not "it's ok to complain at bad meals in restaurants", "team dad" is "it's ok for an adult to ruin a meal for everyone by constant moaning and sulking because they are a little disappointed". Can we assume you don't think it's ok to do that? If so, then you are not "team dad", and you shouldn't have said you were, and that's the reason you've got comments you think are a bit over the top.

Edited

I really do get it. I really do.

The father is described as someone who repeats himself excessively, especially when something annoys him. In this case, he fixated on the lack of buffet items, repeating the complaint in different ways throughout the meal. He wasn’t abusive or aggressive, but he was emotionally persistent, undermining the enjoyment of the meal. When asked to stop, he replied: “Well what do you want me to do? I can’t pretend I’m enjoying it.” Eventually, OP snaps and raises her voice to shut it down.

The aftermath? He goes quiet. Mum blames OP for the conflict. And OP feels like again, her father’s behaviour gets a free pass while she’s held responsible for managing everyone's emotional landscape.

There are no winners here, but all of this to me screams cognitive decline, depression, and yes, a bit of bad behaviour, and it is behaviour that I have been forgiving of in relatives facing that situation. My own grandmother was just like this, and in particular on meals out for some reason - so it resonates a lot. I snapped once, and I was nasty because I lost control of my own emotions in the moment. I have regretted that every single day since she passed. Objectively, I know she was being a nob, but then I gave back worse by snapping when I could have looked beyond the behaviour and been kind.

So I reserve the right for a little sulk now and then; I am forgiving of a little sulkiness in my loved ones, as they are of me.

I have NO BEEF with anyone on here, because there are no winners and once again, my response was light-hearted because the fact is a buffet without half the menu is pretty crap!

AngelicKaty · 26/03/2025 09:57

@diagnosisdisco 🥱

AthWat · 26/03/2025 10:01

@diagnosisdisco

So your grandmother was constantly unpleasant, but once you were unpleasant back, and you regret that now because she's dead?

Sorry, I find that bizarre.

diagnosisdisco · 26/03/2025 10:15

Jeez, you lot are just relentless for a fight! I don't want a fight; I just think we should have plenty of poppadoms and plenty of kindness

(And yes, I do regret speaking sharply to my grandmother because she was an incredible and deeply kind woman who brought me up but lost herself a little (lot) at the end. We can try to control how we react when behaviour is poor, and in that moment, I made it worse. I didn't just regret it after she died; I regretted it the moment I did it, and it has stayed with me as a regret since I lost her).

I don't know how to express it better than to say that I have no mean or angry feelings towards the OP, the father, the mother, or all of you. I am truly sorry if I have caused upset - what started as a light-hearted comment, really pointing out my own greed, has really felt a little difficult to handle. I feel like if we were in a room together, we would have been laughing about the harshness and ludicrousness of life, family, and buffet shortages by now.

Have a lovely day, all of you, I wish you only good things.

IGetWeak · 26/03/2025 10:54

So thanks to each of you for taking the time to reply to my one tiny comment on the thread. I genuinely didn’t expect it to provoke quite so much depth of feeling!

You really like to build up your part, don’t you?

OP posts:
IlooklikeNigella · 26/03/2025 12:07

@diagnosisdisco I think you're being a bit pas-ag. The OP was getting a pile on over her bad manners then you come in saying you're Team Dad and that you'd be sulking too.

You then describe a completely different scenario where you are in the role of OP and you set the tone in the room. The OP (also paying) was not granted that right, her dad bulldozed over her. She's then been told to make things right by her mother.

I get what you're saying that it was a light-hearted comment etc and it's not such a serious issue and I agree. But you took a (imo very unreasonable) pop at the OP along with others and are now engaging in a lot of whataboutery, excuses and distractions.

If you didn't read the OP then say so. If you've changed your mind about your viewpoint ditto. But if you just didn't like the responses you got stop the pas-ag stuff or else just ignore it.

GuevarasBeret · 26/03/2025 12:35

diagnosisdisco · 26/03/2025 09:17

Blimey.

All that over a tongue-in-cheek comment about poppadoms and chutney? I wasn’t expecting to be diagnosed with a personality disorder because I admitted I’d be a bit gutted if a buffet wound down before I got to the veggie sides.

Just to clarify – I didn’t throw my cutlery, shout at the staff, or lie on the floor kicking and screaming for mango chutney. I made a light-hearted comment on a social forum because yes, if I’d paid for a meal out and found it disappointing, I’d feel a bit… disappointed. That’s not immature “sulking” – it’s human. And frankly, if a poppadom shortage is now grounds for a public character assassination, I fear for us all.

For what it’s worth, last year I hosted a big group of family and extended relatives out for my husband’s birthday. It was expensive. It was also absolutely shit. We smiled, we thanked the waiters, we left a tip. No drama. But I also called it – “Is anyone else's meal as utterly shit as mine?” – and suddenly everyone could relax, because their meals were also rubbish, and my dad had been itching to say something but politeness was holding him back even though I could see it written on his face. No silent resentment, no pretending. We had a good laugh, salvaged the evening, and no one was scarred for life.

I don’t think that makes me emotionally stunted or destined for estrangement from my kids. I think it means I know how to read a room, name a mood, and clear the air.

And let’s also take a moment for the fact that some of our older relatives – the ones who seem to be “banging on” about things – might be doing so because they’re lonely, or low, or yes, maybe even facing a bit of cognitive decline. It doesn’t mean they aren’t annoying at times (God knows they can be), but responding with empathy instead of sanctimony might actually help everyone enjoy their meal more. My grandmother RIP could be a right nobber when we went out to eat, recognising that bad behaviour is sometimes an illustration of things slipping away from someone can be a great act of compassion.

Honestly, the energy on here sometimes. I cracked a joke about missing my mango chutney, not declared war on politeness, parenting, and civilisation.

So, to @GuevarasBeret @IGetWeak and @AngelicKaty thanks to each of you for taking the time to reply to my one tiny comment on the thread. I genuinely didn’t expect it to provoke quite so much depth of feeling!

Just to say – I absolutely wasn’t trying to glorify bad manners or prolonged sulking (we’ve all sat through that meal with that relative). I was just poking fun at how gutted I’d personally be if I turned up for an Indian buffet and the good stuff had already gone. For me, it was more about sharing a small, relatable disappointment than advocating for a five-day strop over poppadoms.

I know tone can be hard to read online, and everyone brings their own life experience to these threads – which is what makes Mumsnet such a great space when it works well. I do think we could all, from time to time, extend each other a bit more grace. It’s entirely possible to challenge or disagree without jumping to conclusions about someone’s emotional development, parenting future, or moral compass.

So – no hard feelings from my side, and I’m always up for a good-natured debate about the true MVP of the Indian buffet. (It’s mango chutney. Obviously.)

Wishing you all a peaceful week – and may your next curry be hot, fresh, and fully stocked.

As one of those tagged, can I just say I appreciate that.

Given that multi day sulks over less than not-enough-mango-chutney are actually experienced by people, (including me in the past) I admit, I took your comment completely at face value, and assumed that you feel entitled to be “a Nobber” because OP/The Restaurant gave you the opportunity to do that (i.e. the sulk is deliberate, and maximized).

i.e. that the comment was to be taken at face value, that OP should have known her place, and accepted she was responsible for her father’s feelings for whatever period of time he found necessary.

I can now admit it is something I feel quite prickly about, and I absolutely did not read your comment as being light hearted at all.

diagnosisdisco · 26/03/2025 12:42

GuevarasBeret · 26/03/2025 12:35

As one of those tagged, can I just say I appreciate that.

Given that multi day sulks over less than not-enough-mango-chutney are actually experienced by people, (including me in the past) I admit, I took your comment completely at face value, and assumed that you feel entitled to be “a Nobber” because OP/The Restaurant gave you the opportunity to do that (i.e. the sulk is deliberate, and maximized).

i.e. that the comment was to be taken at face value, that OP should have known her place, and accepted she was responsible for her father’s feelings for whatever period of time he found necessary.

I can now admit it is something I feel quite prickly about, and I absolutely did not read your comment as being light hearted at all.

I love this, and I think that you and I would totally be laughing about it together by now if we were in the same room.

I'm OK, you're OK....

I am gonna reign in any comments I make from now on that I think are super hilarious about me being a glutton or a bit sulky.. and then trying to overexplain myself because it just makes everyone even angrier! (On any threads on any topics).

But to you, @GuevarasBeret, THANK YOU! I feel like we got to a good place.

Have an awesome day because you are clearly an awesome and forgiving person.

IlooklikeNigella · 26/03/2025 12:58

diagnosisdisco · 26/03/2025 12:42

I love this, and I think that you and I would totally be laughing about it together by now if we were in the same room.

I'm OK, you're OK....

I am gonna reign in any comments I make from now on that I think are super hilarious about me being a glutton or a bit sulky.. and then trying to overexplain myself because it just makes everyone even angrier! (On any threads on any topics).

But to you, @GuevarasBeret, THANK YOU! I feel like we got to a good place.

Have an awesome day because you are clearly an awesome and forgiving person.

Ok I admit I AM feeling a little bit emotional & despairing at the world after spending too much time on Mumsnet this week (I've another thread on it) but I must admit this exchange has cheered me up immensely. 😍

AthWat · 26/03/2025 17:28

diagnosisdisco · 26/03/2025 12:42

I love this, and I think that you and I would totally be laughing about it together by now if we were in the same room.

I'm OK, you're OK....

I am gonna reign in any comments I make from now on that I think are super hilarious about me being a glutton or a bit sulky.. and then trying to overexplain myself because it just makes everyone even angrier! (On any threads on any topics).

But to you, @GuevarasBeret, THANK YOU! I feel like we got to a good place.

Have an awesome day because you are clearly an awesome and forgiving person.

Jesus Christ on a bike. I refer you to the comment made earlier about "building up your own part".

If I was in a room with you I'd probaly find all this stuff you spout unbearable. Probably because I'm not an awesome person.

IlooklikeNigella · 26/03/2025 18:54

AthWat · 26/03/2025 17:28

Jesus Christ on a bike. I refer you to the comment made earlier about "building up your own part".

If I was in a room with you I'd probaly find all this stuff you spout unbearable. Probably because I'm not an awesome person.

Bloody hell. So horrible and unnecessary.

Marieb19 · 29/03/2025 20:51

Thestarsinthesky · 24/03/2025 12:32

I kind of see your dad’s point- but he shouldn’t have ruined the meal. He should have taken it up with the restaurant and they should have sorted the bill accordingly

Your father shoukd have complained to the restaurant. They shouldn't be taking bookings and charging you for a buffet meal when they have no intention of providing it. If sounds like you have issues with your father.

Thestarsinthesky · 29/03/2025 21:09

Marieb19 · 29/03/2025 20:51

Your father shoukd have complained to the restaurant. They shouldn't be taking bookings and charging you for a buffet meal when they have no intention of providing it. If sounds like you have issues with your father.

emm it’s not my post 😂 I’m not the OP. I don’t think I have father issues 🤷‍♀️

IGetWeak · 29/03/2025 21:15

Marieb19 · 29/03/2025 20:51

Your father shoukd have complained to the restaurant. They shouldn't be taking bookings and charging you for a buffet meal when they have no intention of providing it. If sounds like you have issues with your father.

Well actually as I was paying, it was up to me to complain (or not). It sounds like YOU have issues with comprehension.

OP posts:
Calliopespa · 29/03/2025 21:19

Your OP sounds like a script for Abe in Marvellous Mrs Maisel! 😆 Is your Dad rather like him?

GabbySolisX · 29/03/2025 21:30

YABU. No popadoms and sides at an Indian buffet, one hour prior to end time? I would be moaning the whole time too.

snoopsy · 29/03/2025 22:00

What was left? I think that’s the question we all need answered.

IGetWeak · 29/03/2025 22:34

GabbySolisX · 29/03/2025 21:30

YABU. No popadoms and sides at an Indian buffet, one hour prior to end time? I would be moaning the whole time too.

The whole time? What a bloody bore.

OP posts:
TheGentleOpalMember · 30/03/2025 06:55

IGetWeak · 26/03/2025 00:21

The buffet WAS the late lunch!

Brunch is between breakfast and lunch.

At 3pm? That's between lunch and dinner.
So, really, it was Linner. Or Dunch?

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