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Can I take this to court

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User2001 · 23/03/2025 21:57

Background: had a messy divorce and 1 year Non Molestation Order (NMO) against my ex after DV including sexual assault.

I now live in my own home as resident parent with DC, we have a Child Arrangement Order (CAO) and DC visits ex occasionally, usually alternate weekends for half a day and sometimes a midweek dinner after school.

Ex has to collect and drop back DC from my home, for reasons I won’t go into as I don’t want to be too outing. Needless to say, it’s part of the CAO for a good reason and can’t be changed.
The CAO reads that parents can alter the visitation times by mutual agreement, and only if DC is okay with it. Ex keeps changing it without notice or consultation with me first, resulting in DC often returning an hour or two late.

When Ex drops DC home or picks DC up, he often shouts for DC or holds conversation through the house at the front door, not shouting insults or aggressively, but nevertheless taking over the entire property with his booming voice. If you go as far back as the furthest, most distant room, it’s like he’s in the house!

He also knocks on windows when he’s rung the doorbell (it’s a ground floor property) and peers through them into the open plan living space and separately into the ground floor bedroom (though not my bedroom, thankfully). I have requested he stops this invasion of privacy, but “no” doesn’t mean “no” to him, and he does what he wants regardless of anyone else.

So I asked him to stop coming on the driveway or ringing the doorbell at all. This will solve the problem of him booming through the house and peering in through my home. I live on a road with loads of easy parking outside the driveway and when other people collect DC they often pull into the side of the road outside. It’s perfectly safe to do. I asked ex to do the same. But he doesn’t. He does what he wants and seems to take great pleasure in walking all over my request.

when I initially requested he doesn’t come onto the property (my friends had been telling me for ages I should stop him having access and I hadn’t dared to), I was surprised by how lighter I felt. I hadn’t realised I was carrying such a heavy load on my shoulders and it felt great that he wouldn’t be able to peer through my windows anymore. Of course this relief was short lived because he disregarded it and still does whatever he wants.

My question is, AIBU for wanting to get a new NMO prohibiting him from coming onto my property at all? Technically it’s trespass onto private property when someone has written asking you repeatedly not to. There is never a good reason to do this now DC’s maturity extends to walking out to the car (like I said, this is normal practice for other people). AIBU for even daring to think that I can stop somebody coming onto my property and peering in through my windows? Do I have to just put up with it and learn not to care?

I just feel a bit bad, as the first NMO was to protect me from physical harm and this would be to protect me psychologically by enforcing my boundary to keep a protected space from his micro-invasions. He’s not a physical risk to me anymore, which is what the first NMO was for. But I don’t know how else to stop him coming onto my property. Is there a different court order for this?

When the judge granted me an Occupation Order during the divorce, ex was prohibited from entering the driveway or family home without my written consent. The Occupation Order stopped the day I moved out, as I moved into my own home and he moved back into the old family home. As far as I understand it, I can’t apply for an Occupation Order again, since ex has never lived here and the divorce is done. I would want the same protection in my new home that the Occupation Order gave me in the old house, where Ex was barred, except by written consent agreement.

I hope I’m not being a snowflake here, please disagree kindly if you think I shouldn’t or can’t do this because a judge would not grant it.

OP posts:
Easterbunnygettingsorted · 23/03/2025 22:01

Despite sat tooting and shouting his arrival my exh used to text me a simple.
Am outside..
I requested this stop. The judge wouldn't have it made an order... The sickness I felt every message of those simple words was astronomical...
The weight of his mental abuse didn't end until he died.... Maybe invest in a huge headset.... Make it clear you aren't listening to him. Or have a relative hand the dc over..

FortyElephants · 23/03/2025 22:04

I'm sorry, you can't get a non molestation order unless there's recent evidence of him causing you harm. You are very unlikely to get a non mol because it upsets you that he comes up to the property (though you aren't being a snowflake to hate it, it's not something that can be prevented by law in this way)

User2001 · 23/03/2025 22:15

I feared as much but thank you for replying.

So can anyone just come up to my property as often as they like and peer through the windows whenever they please? I thought that’s called trespass and there were laws against it! 🙈

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Easterbunnygettingsorted · 23/03/2025 22:21

Exh's solicitor wrote (demanded) I removed my new blinds as exh could no longer look into my home. No judge ordered that either...
Blinds up and shut them well before he is due... Works a treat.

User2001 · 23/03/2025 22:38

That made me smile.
In a way it’s an abnormal way to live, to have to jump up and shut blinds every time. and I never know when he arrives to return DC. Yeah, he has been known to actually peer in at drop-off as well as pickup!

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TheHillsIsLonely · 23/03/2025 22:41

Curtains, blinds or privacy film at those windows or just close the existing curtains when he is due?

Lockable (or electric if affordable) gates at the end of the driveway?

A guard dog?!

A sound and video doorbell to record what he is doing?

A letter from your solicitor?

I'm not surprised having him visit your new home bothers you. He is not respecting your boundaries or the court order. Good luck and take care. Flowers

Titasaducksarse · 23/03/2025 22:42

How old is your child? If old enough to go to curb/end of path on own there's no need for ex to come up to your front door.

User2001 · 23/03/2025 22:54

TheHillsIsLonely · 23/03/2025 22:41

Curtains, blinds or privacy film at those windows or just close the existing curtains when he is due?

Lockable (or electric if affordable) gates at the end of the driveway?

A guard dog?!

A sound and video doorbell to record what he is doing?

A letter from your solicitor?

I'm not surprised having him visit your new home bothers you. He is not respecting your boundaries or the court order. Good luck and take care. Flowers

I did block the drive for a few weeks which was bliss, but unfortunately also blocked other people including my food delivery. It also looked stupid so I removed it again as I thought, why should I change my home in a way I don’t want, just because of him? It feels like he’s in control.

I could close windows up if I knew when he would arrive which would halve it at best (I don’t always know when he’ll arrive). But I never know when he returns with DC, as it’s always at a different time. Literally one day might be 2pm and another time 10pm, and anywhere in between. I love looking out onto my street and I love sunlight and don’t want to live all day blocking it out because of an ex. Not if the law can protect me instead.

A solicitor would be costly and he’s ignored them in the past for much bigger problems, so I’d only do that if I thought it would work and had tried everything else first.

I do appreciate your understanding, thank you for your helpful suggestions.

OP posts:
User2001 · 23/03/2025 22:55

Titasaducksarse · 23/03/2025 22:42

How old is your child? If old enough to go to curb/end of path on own there's no need for ex to come up to your front door.

Secondary school age and accustomed to walking to the kerb side when other people drop off or pick up!

Ex knows all of this but still persists.

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WhistPie · 23/03/2025 23:14

Empty a chamber pot over him from the room above where he's peering?

mumda · 23/03/2025 23:14

Do you have blinds? That'd stop him looking but not his intention.

User2001 · 23/03/2025 23:15

Sadly no upstairs windows for this great purpose! 😂

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User2001 · 23/03/2025 23:17

mumda · 23/03/2025 23:14

Do you have blinds? That'd stop him looking but not his intention.

Blinds would only help if I knew when he would be there and I very often don't, especially with drop off. Wouldn’t like to live in the dark all day unless I absolutely have to because I’m often indoors much more than I would wish to be as it is

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TheHillsIsLonely · 23/03/2025 23:17

It might be worth contacting Women's Aid for advice.
Women's Aid Directory - Women’s Aid

Perhaps the court needs to know that he is not keeping to the conditions of the order.

I wondered why you think that he is no longer a risk to you OP. You obviously don't need to answer but he is still being abusive by not respecting your boundaries at home within the background of DV including SA.

Women's Aid Directory - Women’s Aid

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Merryoldgoat · 23/03/2025 23:24

I would get that one way film on my window. What a dick.

User2001 · 23/03/2025 23:25

The sexual abuse and rape was in the context of a relationship, and now we are not in a relationship I think it wouldn't happen.
The DV side was more coercive control than hitting (that part was for DC which apparently is classed in a different ‘parental’ chastisement/abuse category).

I did wonder about calling National DA line but again, but I feel in the absence of anything recently (nil since divorcing), I would be only complaining about minor harrassment of not having privacy respected, etc.

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User2001 · 23/03/2025 23:29

Merryoldgoat · 23/03/2025 23:24

I would get that one way film on my window. What a dick.

I looked into it when I first moved in, half expecting I’d get this. The window dressing company said the film tends not to work all that well and didn't recommend it from.personal experience. Also, id live in a darkened room which is so light its wonderful, so I didn't much like the idea. But maybe people have to pick their least worst option. I stupidly hoped he would lose interest over time, but if anything he’s ramping it up. I guess I wanted to explore my other options before I go to extremes like that. If he lost interest, then I’m still plunged in the darkness of special covering on my windows. But I appreciate the thought, and it may be I have to do something like that in the end.

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purpleme12 · 23/03/2025 23:30

Easterbunnygettingsorted · 23/03/2025 22:21

Exh's solicitor wrote (demanded) I removed my new blinds as exh could no longer look into my home. No judge ordered that either...
Blinds up and shut them well before he is due... Works a treat.

Really?!

So will solicitors just write anything if you pay them?!

Cos no one would say you had to remove your blinds would they

TheHillsIsLonely · 23/03/2025 23:49

User2001 · 23/03/2025 23:25

The sexual abuse and rape was in the context of a relationship, and now we are not in a relationship I think it wouldn't happen.
The DV side was more coercive control than hitting (that part was for DC which apparently is classed in a different ‘parental’ chastisement/abuse category).

I did wonder about calling National DA line but again, but I feel in the absence of anything recently (nil since divorcing), I would be only complaining about minor harrassment of not having privacy respected, etc.

I stupidly hoped he would lose interest over time, but if anything he’s ramping it up

This is what concerns me OP. He is continuing the previous abuse with his behaviour, against your expressed wishes and his behaviour is worsening. Please do seek some specialist advice and perhaps some support in reporting this to your police domestic abuse unit because of the background. I would not rule out the potential risk he could still pose. Take good care of yourself and your DC. I hope you have some support IRL.

unsync · 23/03/2025 23:53

User2001 · 23/03/2025 23:25

The sexual abuse and rape was in the context of a relationship, and now we are not in a relationship I think it wouldn't happen.
The DV side was more coercive control than hitting (that part was for DC which apparently is classed in a different ‘parental’ chastisement/abuse category).

I did wonder about calling National DA line but again, but I feel in the absence of anything recently (nil since divorcing), I would be only complaining about minor harrassment of not having privacy respected, etc.

If he's ramping up, you do need to take action. It sounds like you are minimising and not wanting to antagonise him. Get help to deal with this.

Do you have a door cam? How many windows can he access? You can get motorised blinds controlled by an app. When the door cam picks him up, you can lower the blinds automatically from wherever you are.

businessflop25 · 24/03/2025 01:12

What’s outside your front windows? I’d be tempted to plant a prickly rose bush or similar so he can’t get close to the window to look in.
big planters if you can’t plant directly into the ground.
i would also put film up in the windows to stop him looking in. Or ikea sell some thin Roman blinds which let most of the light in.

sel2223 · 24/03/2025 01:19

If he knows it gets to you he'll do it all the more - it's a power/ control thing

Apreslapluielesoleil · 24/03/2025 01:26

sel2223 · 24/03/2025 01:19

If he knows it gets to you he'll do it all the more - it's a power/ control thing

Was just going to type this, definitely sounds like a control thing.
Door cam with sound.
I used to have a beam across my driveway, sounded like a doorbell inside the house if anyone crossed it. Only cost a few pounds.
If he’s raising his voice at your door , even though not in anger, I’d record it. And with a secondary age child absolutely no need to escort them to the door.

Titasaducksarse · 24/03/2025 06:49

Does the CAO have defined contact times? Mind you, age of child would mean court would expect flexibility but might be worth sticking to the Order if this helps and if DC is OK with that.
If ex won't then go to court...self apply for enforcement of current Order.

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