Why is no one talking about Leaving Neverland 2 Or contradictions of the accusers?

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I noticed no one seems to care about Leaving Neverland 2 or be talking about it. Why aren't more people discussing the factual problems with "Leaving Neverland"?

I've noticed that many discussions about Michael Jackson focus on the allegations without examining the serious inconsistencies in the accusers' stories such as:

1. James Safechuck claimed abuse at Neverland's train station between 1988-1992, but construction records prove it wasn't built until 1994-1995 - this is a major lie!

1. Wade Robson claimed his first abuse happened in January 1990 when his family went to the Grand Canyon without him, but his mother Joy testified under oath that Wade went WITH the family on that trip

1. Robson testified IN DETAIL as an adult under oath in 2005 that nothing inappropriate ever happened

1. Wade Robson asked Michael Jackson for permission to get married at Neverland Ranch in 2005 - why would he want to celebrate his wedding at the place he later claimed he was abused?

1. Stephanie Safechuck (James Safechuck's mother) stated in the documentary that when she heard about Michael Jackson's death in 2009, she "danced" and was "so happy he died" because she thought "Oh thank God, he can't hurt any more children." However, according to her son James, he never told anyone about his alleged abuse until after seeing Wade Robson's interview in 2013, and only then told his family about it.

This creates a major contradiction: Stephanie Safechuck couldn't have known about the alleged abuse in 2009 when Michael Jackson died if James didn't tell her until 2013 - four years later.

This is another significant timeline inconsistency that calls into question the narrative presented in the documentary. It's difficult to reconcile how Stephanie could have had this specific reaction to Jackson's death if she was unaware of any alleged abuse at that time. This type of contradiction represents more than just hazy memory - it's a fundamental issue with the timeline of disclosure that the documentary doesn't address or explain.

These aren't minor discrepancies but fundamental contradictions in their stories.
I'm not saying we shouldn't take abuse allegations seriously, but shouldn't we also consider verifiable facts that directly contradict these specific accusations?

People seem to take the documentary at face value, without question - it’s strange to not want to consider all the facts especially when some of them are major.

Honestly, I wouldn’t bet my life of MJ innocence but I also thinks it’s entirely plausible he’s innocent when I heard the above.

Why is there so little interest in most people to examine the full picture/the pure financial greed of these two accusers constantly attempting to get millions after their case is thrown out so many times in Leaving Neverland 2?

Watching with interest

I think there are dozens of easier ways to make money than to stand up in court and concoct a story describing in painstaking detail how you were raped when you were a child.

I do question the sanity of MJ supporters who think two grown men would put themselves through that, not to mention the hate, death threats etc they’ve had to put up with, all for a pay check. The same supporters who think that the similarities in their accounts of the abuse is just a coincidence. The accusers did not know each other so how likely is it that they both made up similar stories simply by chance?

It is not unheard of for a child victim to defend their abuser and confusion of dates when abuse took place decades ago wouldn’t be surprising either.

@Eastie77Returns aren't they literally suing for millions or even billions? Don't think there's too many ways to make that sort of money.

The second documentary didn't put anything new out there and didn't attempt to explain the things they got wrong. So nothing much new to talk about.

James Safechuck claimed abuse at Neverland's train station between 1988-1992, but construction records prove it wasn't built until 1994-1995 - this is a major lie!

There were several stations, and the one he claimed it happened in was not only there, but was in a tv commercial in 1989! Not even Jackson fans claim it's a lie anymore, because it was proven to have existed in the time it was said to have happened.

There were more than one trip to the Grand Canyon.

Yes, he previously said nothing happened. And? Many abusers cover up for their abuser, even battered women lie on the stand for their husbands, and later admit they hit them. What's your point? That he changed his mind and told the truth later? You're clutching at straws.

Re wedding, as above, because he was in DENIAL. That's why!

Wider family, perhaps. He told his mother earlier.

In answer to your last question, Robson and Safechuck have been called liars by many people. Yet when examined, what they've stated has been backed up. The Jackson fans can't point to any lies and discrepancy. And if it were pure financial greed, they would have come out BEFORE Jackson died when it was more profitable. It makes zero sense to come out now, when his estate was going bankrupt and in other people's hands. Just think about it. It makes no sense.

Because they were children when they were abused. Children cannot always pinpoint dates, time and age at the time accurately.
Because abuse confuses and harms children. They don’t know who is right and who is wrong. Abusers lie to them.
Because they were traumatised by the abuse.
Which is why abuse victims have to be questioned with care by professionals who are well trained. Not every victim gets this care and can be traumatised further.

It was well known at the time of his death that MJ was an abuser so Stephanie Safechuck wasn’t the only person to be happy when he died.

I didn’t realise there was a part 2. Thank you

I didn't know there was another leaving neverland documentary, I'll give it a watch. I believed the victims after the first documentary, there is no way they were making up those feelings that were written all over their faces, and the details of the abuse. Defending Michael jackson seems like such a weird hill to die on. He was a child abuser, its pretty obvious

I was a child when it all happened and the perpetrator is dead. I'm more focused on what's happening currently, especially not living in the US.

At the end of the day a grown man inviting kids to stay with him has red flags all over it! Sometimes if it looks bad it’s because it is bad. I think the parents should get locked up too.

Like so many other adults who have been abused as children, they don't talk about it. They try and pretend it never happened. Just as Wade did when he was subpoened. He didn't volunteer to go to Michael Jackson's trial.

I believe them, because it was only when they became parents to their first child, a boy, did their wall of silence begin to crack. They, as young impressionable children had been groomed by their idol, MJ, to believe that what happened between them was normal if you loved someone. But when James and Wade became parents they were able to acknowledge that they didn't want their own boys to be targeted by a paedophile. That made them acknowledge the enormity of what they had experienced.

Also, the fact that MJ had paid off the parents of at least two other children speaks volumes. You don't pay a family $15m for nothing. Or a few millions to the other family. How many other undisclosed pay offs have there been?

Just because MJ was a megastar, and appeared incredibly childlike does not mean that he was incapable of sexually abusing children.

It was his fame and celebrity that allowed him access to those children. A parent would never otherwise let their young children have sleepovers with an adult man, but they were unfortunately blinded by his status and unbeknownst to them, put their children in harm's way.

I feel sorry for MJ as he was emotionally damaged as a child by a fame and money hungry father.

But that does not mean we should ignore and belittle those children, now adults, that have in turn been damaged by him but have now discovered their voice, just because we grew up with his music which is still played and listened to.

As Oprah Winfrey said, those that have experienced abuse as children, as she has done, believe James and Wade.

When they finally have their day in court, many others may be able to speak about their own experiences.

I think you can have questions without being seen to be defending him. Yes all the details of abuse were horrific but Jackson was taking a hell of a risk getting Wade to be a defence witness during his trial. Why would he do that?
Plenty of people defend Lucy Letby who is a baby killer, there's probably a lot more evidence against her too.

I seen a psychologist the other day saying that Jackson had every single trait of a peadophile. Dictionary definition in fact. Access to children, groomed families, sleepovers with kids, built a fucking theme park in his garden! Manipulated people in plain sight.

Anyone who does not believe he was a sexual offender, is absolutely deluded.

@ColinOfficeTrolley I'm sure he fits plenty of traits but I just have to say that not many people have theme parks in their garden so I really doubt that could be one of them.

It’s unreasonable to expect anyone to pinpoint dates, when they were children, 30 years later. All the things listed, OP, are reasonable discrepancies in backdated testimony.

Yes but it's typical that paedophiles create an environment that children will love and feel happy in....

I worked with kids who'd been abused by this man (a scout leader...) who concentrated on turning his smallish garden into a play park with swings, see saw, slide etc...

Naturally the kids loved it and parents were happy to not supervise too closely as he was a scout master and thus safe around kids...

He abused dozens of kids...

I really admire the bravery of both these men. I think the court case next year is going to finally reveal the truth about Jackson, too late for justice sadly, but hopefully it will bring some peace to his victims.

Interesting OP is stating their own post as FACT when already some of it has been highlighted to be incorrect.

People will believe what they want. Some people are so far down those rabbit holes it doesn’t matter what evidence is/n’t there.

if I remember correctly, one of the men described MJs weird penis, in the first documentary?

I hate all of this crap. A grown man built a grooming world and abused little boys there. He got away with it because everyone thought “he’s a child at heart”. Well that shite doesn’t work any more. If a 45 year old childless man built a park in his garden and started asking the kids in his street to come play and then sleep in his bed at night, is that okay?

WR being a defence witness for MJ at 22 has always made me suspicious about his later claims.

As for the ‘why would they put themselves through that?’ question, when it comes to large, life changing sums of money, some people will do practically anything.

There’s nothing ‘innocent’ about a wealthy male adult sharing his bed with unrelated young boys. Jackson admitted to doing this. I’d like to know how much the ‘witnesses’ were paid for their testimony.

There is something particularly heinous about posting on a forum that is supposed to revolve around the good parenting of children, and disbelieving victims of childhood sexual abuse.

Children are groomed into believing that he was their special friend, they are so lucky, so blessed, so special he takes an interest in them, they have access to this amazing place.

Wedding venue of the century. Funnest uncle of the entire world. Of course they would hold to all those comforting lies as long as they possibly could. To admit the truth would be devastating. They are trapped in needing to believe the fantasy.

Their brain has a choice- am I the incredibly lucky kid who’s practically adopted by a megastar, or am I a victim of a serial child rapist?

Guess what one your brain picks to believe as long as it possibly can?

But nobody has.

Never put someone on a pedestal as you’re a fan. It blinds you. Like the music but don’t ignore what is blatantly in front of you.