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Should I complain about this nurse

239 replies

AprilF00L · 21/03/2025 16:38

or just let it go?

My very vulnerable, very elderly neighbour fell in his house recently and was treated in his home by paramedics.

Today as I was rushing out to an appointment a district nurse approached me and said that she was there to visit my neighbour but he wasn't in/ This really alarmed me due to his vulnerabilities and physical state. I asked if she'd looked in all the rooms and she said she had. I got her phone number to contact her after my appt.

On my return an hour later I came across her again. She told me that she had returned to see if my neighbour had returned home.

He'd never been out. He was sleeping in bed. She lied. She hadn't looked in every room. He could have been dead for all she knew.7

I'm so annoyed at her lying. So unprofessional. AIBU to report her.

OP posts:
CactusSammy · 22/03/2025 11:27

Blushingm · 22/03/2025 10:52

District nurses don’t have access to medical records - they’re often not even based in a surgery to go and ask someone to access them. District nurses have a totally separate notes/care system

the only way they’d have a key safe number is if they actually been given it

The DNs I work with all have access to systmone, and that's where they write up their notes. Everything goes on the patient record.

It would make no sense to have completely separate notes/care system. If other medical professionals were unable to access DNs notes, it could easily lead to huge errors in patient care.

Printedword · 22/03/2025 11:30

LIZS · 21/03/2025 16:45

Would he have been visible from outside if tucked up in bed. I doubt a nurse is entitled to let themselves in.

District nurses treating my late father used the key safe to key themselves in

Sirzy · 22/03/2025 11:39

CactusSammy · 22/03/2025 11:27

The DNs I work with all have access to systmone, and that's where they write up their notes. Everything goes on the patient record.

It would make no sense to have completely separate notes/care system. If other medical professionals were unable to access DNs notes, it could easily lead to huge errors in patient care.

The district nurses who visit my Dad are completely seperate. They actually aren’t even NHS it’s outsourced.

There isn’t one joined up system for notes throughout the NHS. There arguably should be but that’s not the case.

BriceNobeslovesMurielHeslop · 22/03/2025 11:39

CactusSammy · 22/03/2025 11:27

The DNs I work with all have access to systmone, and that's where they write up their notes. Everything goes on the patient record.

It would make no sense to have completely separate notes/care system. If other medical professionals were unable to access DNs notes, it could easily lead to huge errors in patient care.

In my trust, there is a different note system for GPs, they can read my online notes, but I can’t read theirs. Some DN teams add notes to the hospital system, and some still use their paper notes in house- it is an outdated nightmare, but that’s how it is.

rwalker · 22/03/2025 11:48

I don’t know what’s gone on but the fact she spoke to you and returned to me says she really was trying her best
you assumed about the key safe because it’s fit your narrative

watching from the sidelines with assumptions ,1/2 a story snd filling the blanks in yourself to fit your narrative isn’t really the best info to make a complaint with

ALJT · 22/03/2025 12:01

If he’s had a quilt over his head or something it may not of been visible if she just popped her head in. Wouldn’t be so quick to assume she’s lying. She came back and found him.

ThisZanyPinkSquid · 22/03/2025 13:28

Could be an honest mistake. You need to remember these people are going into someone’s house for the first time they don’t know the layout of how many bedrooms. She’s possibly looked in what she thought was a bedroom and thought oh they must be out.

Glasgowqueen · 22/03/2025 13:45

AprilF00L · 21/03/2025 16:38

or just let it go?

My very vulnerable, very elderly neighbour fell in his house recently and was treated in his home by paramedics.

Today as I was rushing out to an appointment a district nurse approached me and said that she was there to visit my neighbour but he wasn't in/ This really alarmed me due to his vulnerabilities and physical state. I asked if she'd looked in all the rooms and she said she had. I got her phone number to contact her after my appt.

On my return an hour later I came across her again. She told me that she had returned to see if my neighbour had returned home.

He'd never been out. He was sleeping in bed. She lied. She hadn't looked in every room. He could have been dead for all she knew.7

I'm so annoyed at her lying. So unprofessional. AIBU to report her.

If you are this man's advocate and help him .Why didn't you let the district nurse in as you obviously know the key safe code if you help him ?Better to do this than criticise a hard working district nurse who has a heavy caseload.Do you work in a demanding job or are you a retired curtain twitcher perhaps ?

Glasgowqueen · 22/03/2025 13:50

setmestraightplease · 22/03/2025 01:31

Flipping heck yes! I'd definitely be asking questions.

Who are all these people saying it's none of your business?
I hope they never find themselves in the same vulnerable position of needing help.

You don't have to 'report' anyone but you definitely need to highlight the fact that more could have / can be done - there are so many weaknesses in a system where people are vulnerable and don't have relatives to step in and help.

We do the same for an elderly neighbour who has no family - they're not going to get the help and support they need if we don't speak up for them. Of course it's our business! - it's called caring.

Nurses / doctors / the NHS can apparently do no wrong in MN's eyes ............ but we know that's not always true in real life.

Well done @AprilF00L for caring about your neighbour - I'm of the generation where we do keep an eye on the people in our street / neighbourhood. Surely it's a good thing?

  • but today it seems to be construed as 'interfering' ...................

So keep interfering! (but maybe not in a 'reporting' way, but more in a querying way?)

You sound an aggressive nightmare.No wonder nhs staff are leaving in droves due to abusive people.

Blushingm · 22/03/2025 14:01

CactusSammy · 22/03/2025 11:27

The DNs I work with all have access to systmone, and that's where they write up their notes. Everything goes on the patient record.

It would make no sense to have completely separate notes/care system. If other medical professionals were unable to access DNs notes, it could easily lead to huge errors in patient care.

I’m a DN - we don’t use system one we use Paris for notes and Civica for visits - most GP’s use EMIS - Hospitals use a number of other systems . Hospice use something different again. Plus not all hospitals use the same, it depends which health board or trust. None copy back or communicate with eachother.

Social services use another completely different system

Care providers are all different too

Blushingm · 22/03/2025 14:02

Printedword · 22/03/2025 11:30

District nurses treating my late father used the key safe to key themselves in

Because they’ve been given it

Whatthefuck3456 · 22/03/2025 14:22

A nurse cannot let themselves in anyones home. Carers role is completely different to a nurse!

WiddlinDiddlin · 22/03/2025 14:27

They should not, without express permission to do - but they DO.

Or are you saying @Whatthefuck3456 that I imagined the DN walking straight into my home shouting 'DISTRICT NURSE!' without bothering to knock or wait?

Blushingm · 22/03/2025 14:36

WiddlinDiddlin · 22/03/2025 14:27

They should not, without express permission to do - but they DO.

Or are you saying @Whatthefuck3456 that I imagined the DN walking straight into my home shouting 'DISTRICT NURSE!' without bothering to knock or wait?

I’d normally knock/ring. Wait and if no reply try the door.

Lots of people can’t get up to answer the door or risk a fall if rushing to the door.

you don’t seem to like/appreciate your district nurse very much

Devonshiregal · 22/03/2025 15:00

BriceNobeslovesMurielHeslop · 22/03/2025 10:14

Of course I know some nurses are neglectful, but I don’t think this nurse appears neglectful. It’s much more hassle to dodge a visit with the resultant paperwork etc than it is to complete the visit. She came back, she saw the patient and he was fine. And actually, it doesn’t even sound like she left particularly quickly- he was in his bed, fair enough, he doesn’t need to get up and he’s old and probably pretty fatigued a lot of the time. It might even be that the key safe is only there in the event of a fall, and he prefers to answer the door himself most of the time- frail people can have autonomy to make these decisions. To me practically bed bound means “in bed apart from short periods sitting in a chair”, not “takes 5 mins to answer a door”.
I suppose I’m a bit flummoxed why you’re so convinced she’s neglectful when she completed the job and the patient was unharmed. District nursing is quite a difficult and isolated job, you have to juggle so many different priorities, usually with no one to discuss it with. It was the hardest area of nursing I’ve ever worked in, pound for pound.

Oh no I’m not saying she is definitely neglectful at all.

My thought was just that it is possible for nurses or whomever to be neglectful and having a neighbour who cares enough to want to protect him is a good thing.

I was shocked at how attacked the op was for coming on here to ask whether she should consider raising it as a possible issue. I think people who are either nurses or who have friends/family who are (and therefore know how tough the job can be and how difficult working with the general public can be) kind of jumped on her for using the word complain.

and I felt that people who are saying oh no she can’t possibly be bad at her job because I’m a nurse and I am not neglectful aren’t realising that this thought process is what can contribute to taking such a long time to stop actually harmful behaviour.

Printedword · 22/03/2025 16:09

Blushingm · 22/03/2025 14:02

Because they’ve been given it

Well obvs, in the circumstances it was necessary

Glasgowqueen · 22/03/2025 16:11

WiddlinDiddlin · 22/03/2025 14:27

They should not, without express permission to do - but they DO.

Or are you saying @Whatthefuck3456 that I imagined the DN walking straight into my home shouting 'DISTRICT NURSE!' without bothering to knock or wait?

The criteria to have a district nurse visiting would mean you were classed as housebound .Often people who are housebound fall when rushing to answer the door so she averted this

Glasgowqueen · 22/03/2025 16:15

ShiiiiiiiiiitDinosaur · 22/03/2025 06:26

Personally, I would approach this District Nurse myself if I saw her again and inform her that you had concerns regarding why she told you she checked every room when indeed she hadn’t and had just shouted up the stairs.

Whatever, the truth is on this occasion the nurse reflected and came back so if she was caught out in a lie by you she did at least come back to ensure her duty of care to her patient was fulfilled. This at least shows she put the patient care first in the end.

You are not wrong in how you are feeling, and if this ever happened again challenge the nurse more or any HCW more at the time and gauge if their reaction to your valid questioning warrants a formal complaint.

You sound like a lovely neighbor.

Edited

Maybe he was asleep and refused to engage / declined intervention.

TumbledTussocks · 22/03/2025 17:33

JLou08 · 21/03/2025 16:52

It actually sounds like she went above and beyond to locate him by talking to you and then coming back. I think it's very unreasonable that you are considering making a complaint.

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hcee19 · 22/03/2025 18:18

Yes, needs reporting, how many other patients has she left without doing her job properly. As a retired community matron l would indeed want to know about this...

JasonTindallsTan · 22/03/2025 18:20

hcee19 · 22/03/2025 18:18

Yes, needs reporting, how many other patients has she left without doing her job properly. As a retired community matron l would indeed want to know about this...

🙄🙄🙄 she literally came back.

Lovehascomeandgone · 22/03/2025 18:43

FFS are you serious OP, no wonder some many nurses leave the NHS because they are sick of the way they are treated. Mind your own business.

starsinthedarksky · 22/03/2025 19:06

Annascaul · 21/03/2025 16:50

Just because he has a key safe doesn’t mean any random can actually access it, op!

It’s not a random though, is it? It’s a nurse going there to care for an individual with mobility issues.

I know a nurse who does home visits and she always lets herself in with the code. She’s told the code by the patient themselves or social services.

Bluejacket · 22/03/2025 19:09

BeaTwix · 21/03/2025 16:57

Your faith in joined up care is touching.

i’m regularly phoned for the key safe number of the elderly person I support as even the same organisation cannot make sure all their staff have it.

Let alone expecting Social care to pass it to NHS staff!!

Oh so true!

Blushingm · 22/03/2025 19:19

hcee19 · 22/03/2025 18:18

Yes, needs reporting, how many other patients has she left without doing her job properly. As a retired community matron l would indeed want to know about this...

But she didn’t, she went back