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Are you going to the USA? Just make sure you've not said anything nasty about Trump or your phone might get searched and you won't be allowed in

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cakeorwine · 19/03/2025 22:42

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained

I wonder what he said in his private messages that were looked at when US Border Agents looked at his phone.

“I learned with concern that a French researcher” on assignment for the French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) “who was traveling to a conference near Houston was denied entry to the United States before being expelled”, Philippe Baptiste, France’s minister of higher education and research, said in a statement on Monday to Agence France-Presse published by Le Monde. “This measure was apparently taken by the American authorities because the researcher’s phone contained exchanges with colleagues and friends in which he expressed a personal opinion on the Trump administration’s research policy,” the minister added.

"Another AFP source said that US authorities accused the French researcher of “hateful and conspiratorial messages”. He was reportedly also informed of an FBI investigation, but told that “charges were dropped” before being expelled."

Clearly some people might need a burner phone. And be careful of your social media use.

French scientist denied US entry after phone messages critical of Trump found

France’s research minister said the scientist was traveling to Houston for a conference when his phone was searched

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained

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ExtraOnions · 19/03/2025 23:00

I love how the Trump administration are the protectors of free speech.

in no way are they following the Dictators playbook, by purging those who criticise them.. whist having full control of the Judiciary, ensuring total compliance with their own world view

…would that get me in ??? Thought TBF, I would sooner have a long weekend in North Korea.

Serpentstooth · 19/03/2025 23:11

O dear, I loathe and detest the lying tangerine man and have no plans to visit. However, if Elon manages surveillance all telecommunications globally, I'll probably be disappeared, as I diss him regularly and quite rightly too.

cakeorwine · 19/03/2025 23:13

Clearly many people get into the USA and they don't check everyone's phones. '
But I wonder what made them check this person's phone. They have the right to do this if you want to get into the USA.

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cakeorwine · 20/03/2025 20:38

There's been an update to the US travel advice on the UK travel advice website

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/usa/entry-requirements

You should comply with all entry, visa and other conditions of entry. The authorities in the US set and enforce entry rules strictly. You may be liable to arrest or detention if you break the rules.

Doesn't mention phones though.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/03/20/french-researcher-denied-entry-to-us-for-expressing-personal-opinion-on-trump-policies_6739346_4.html

" The source said the scientist in the space sector underwent a random check on arrival, during which his work computer and personal phone were searched, and messages referring to Donald Trump's administration's treatment of scientists were found. Authorities told him they had found messages "that express hatred towards Trump and can be qualified as terrorism," the source said. His professional and personal equipment was confiscated and he was sent back to Europe the following day."

Entry requirements - USA travel advice

FCDO travel advice for USA. Includes safety and security, insurance, entry requirements and legal differences.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/usa/entry-requirements

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Arrivals4lucky · 20/03/2025 20:43

They can take your phone and ask for the password and the codes and for access to your SM and passwords at entry points to USA.
You can refuse, within reason, but you might find yourself on the way straight back home with a no fly marker on your passport for any return to the USA.
behold the land of freedom.

HangryLilacGoose · 20/03/2025 20:43

I live very close to the border. Not only would I not visit the US for personal reasons (as part of the boycott) but I think I'd have to decline work trips, too. It doesn't appear to be a safe country to even attempt to enter, at the moment, particularly if you've been critical of Trump (which I most certainly have been).

MissyB1 · 20/03/2025 20:46

I wouldn't even dream of going there with the current lunatic and his cronies in charge.

britinnyc · 20/03/2025 20:59

I despise the President and live in the U.S. but there has to be more to this story than they just randomly searched his phone, he must have been somehow flagged for something. If you have ever flown into the U.S. there are barely enough people to even check passports let alone look through peoples phones and understand things that I am assuming were in another language. Concerning nonetheless but I do suspect a lot of these things have always happened we are just getting a lot of press coverage because of Trump’s crackdowns. The UK travel warning basically just says follow the rules so it isn’t like they are telling people not to travel

cakeorwine · 20/03/2025 21:03

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/20/europe/french-researcher-expelled-trump-intl-latam/index.html

"If an individual has material discovered on their electronic media that raises flags during an inspection, it can result in further analysis. Claims that such decisions are politically motivated are completely unfounded,” Hilton Beckham, CBP Assistant Commissioner of Public Affairs, said in a statement.

French space researcher denied entry to the US over messages about Trump, French minister says | CNN

A French researcher was denied entry to the United States after US authorities found messages about President Donald Trump on his phone, a French government official said on Thursday.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/20/europe/french-researcher-expelled-trump-intl-latam/index.html

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AlisonDonut · 20/03/2025 21:03

HangryLilacGoose · 20/03/2025 20:43

I live very close to the border. Not only would I not visit the US for personal reasons (as part of the boycott) but I think I'd have to decline work trips, too. It doesn't appear to be a safe country to even attempt to enter, at the moment, particularly if you've been critical of Trump (which I most certainly have been).

How does sending people who have messages on their phones that meet the criteria of terrorism back out of the country make it less 'safe'?

If counties let terrorists in, it would less safe, surely?

WinterMorn · 20/03/2025 21:06

If they start doing this on a regular basis then an awful lot of people are going to be denied entry!

Maitri108 · 20/03/2025 21:06

AlisonDonut · 20/03/2025 21:03

How does sending people who have messages on their phones that meet the criteria of terrorism back out of the country make it less 'safe'?

If counties let terrorists in, it would less safe, surely?

Who had messages of terrorism?

cakeorwine · 20/03/2025 21:07

Maitri108 · 20/03/2025 21:06

Who had messages of terrorism?

Apparently the messages " messages referring to Donald Trump's administration's treatment of scientists were found. Authorities told him they had found messages "that express hatred towards Trump and can be qualified as terrorism"

What qualifiies as terrorism?

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outerspacepotato · 20/03/2025 21:10

I am carrying on a 3 generation family tradition by calling a Cheet Trump names. Great auntie started it when she was living in Queens.

I'm not doubting this story. I've been profiled for search flying back into the US enough I can believe they would look at his phone and deny entry.

BatchCookBabe · 20/03/2025 21:14

You couldn't pay me to visit America. Not until Trump is out of power.

Newrumpus · 20/03/2025 21:14

That’s not very free speechy.

StMarie4me · 20/03/2025 21:15

cakeorwine · 20/03/2025 21:07

Apparently the messages " messages referring to Donald Trump's administration's treatment of scientists were found. Authorities told him they had found messages "that express hatred towards Trump and can be qualified as terrorism"

What qualifiies as terrorism?

Terrorism is defined as using violence to change h to he fabric of society.

Maitri108 · 20/03/2025 21:16

cakeorwine · 20/03/2025 21:07

Apparently the messages " messages referring to Donald Trump's administration's treatment of scientists were found. Authorities told him they had found messages "that express hatred towards Trump and can be qualified as terrorism"

What qualifiies as terrorism?

If he's a terrorist why wasn't he arrested or arrested in France?

cakeorwine · 20/03/2025 21:17

I am sure we will be seeing the messages soon - and people will be able to draw their own opinions.

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HangryLilacGoose · 20/03/2025 22:15

AlisonDonut · 20/03/2025 21:03

How does sending people who have messages on their phones that meet the criteria of terrorism back out of the country make it less 'safe'?

If counties let terrorists in, it would less safe, surely?

If "express hatred toward Trump" can qualify as terrorism, then then it's not safe for someone who expressed hatred of Trump to travel there - not least given that there now seem to be a pattern of foreign nationals (even US greencard holders) being detained (quite possibly unlawfully) by ICE.

FaithFables · 20/03/2025 22:39

AlisonDonut · 20/03/2025 21:03

How does sending people who have messages on their phones that meet the criteria of terrorism back out of the country make it less 'safe'?

If counties let terrorists in, it would less safe, surely?

What constitutes terrorism? In this case it was because the scientist dared to express his dislike of the US dictator and his policies. It all sounds a bit like North Korea.

dreamingbohemian · 20/03/2025 23:09

They're redefining terrorism to include criticism of Trump and protesting Tesla. Classic fascist playbook

BTW UK border police also search phones and laptops, usually looking for signs of illegally working or intent to overstay. Not equating just saying it's not unusual to look at phones

TooBigForMyBoots · 20/03/2025 23:17

Newrumpus · 20/03/2025 21:14

That’s not very free speechy.

Free Speech is dead in the US now.😟

BigDecisionWorthIt · 21/03/2025 01:42

To provide some perspective. If you have done nothing wrong and showing no red flags. You have nothing to worry about.

Anything being actioned is being done so by following section 8 of this INA on inadmissability and deportability.
For awareness, this INA has been around longer than Trump has been in politics and you can see exactly when and what sections amendments have been made.

The media like to omit so many details currently, just so it can match an agenda.

Further awareness, CBP will ask if they have permission to view your phone IF they pull you into secondary.
To get pulled into secondary, you will need to be showing some kind of red flags.
There is more to this story than what is being released to the media.

uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1227&num=0&edition=prelim

TooBigForMyBoots · 21/03/2025 01:50

My mum is heartbroken. She says she'll never be in the US again.Sad