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Benefit cuts proposal

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Charliechoosecarefully · 18/03/2025 13:35

I just wanted it to have a specific thread:-

Kendall says government to consult on merging JSA and ESA benefits.

Kendall says WCA being scrapped, with Pip assessment process being used instead - will be scrapped in 2028.

Kendall says 'right to try' will let people on sickness benefits try work without immediately having benefits cut.

Kendall says UC payments being rebalanced, with standard rate going up, and some health top-ups frozen or cut.

Kendall says reassessments for people on universal credit with health top-ups to be beefed up

Kendall says universal credit claimants with most severe disabilities will not face reassessment

Kendall confirms Pip eligibility rules to be tightened, and assessment process to be reviewed - 4 pointed needed in one descriptor.

Kendall says under-22s could be prevented from claiming health top-up for universal credit

Sourced from the guardian.

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baklavagoddess · 18/03/2025 18:41

I'm a single parent on pip and lwcra, I had to leave my long standing nhs job because of my complex medical issues, I'm really worrying about how I will survive once the changes have been made I'm set to loose a large chunk of benefits every month. I would do anything to be able to go back to work, I miss feeling useful and making a difference and having a social life. Feeling very panicked about the future tonight

APocketFullOfRye · 18/03/2025 18:41

the ifs were talking/ analysing 30% of the average wage.
The pension isn’t at that rate currently. The cost may or may not be offset by the pension age increase to 67. It’s currently 66 .

Nevertheless. Dropping the triple lock is talked about by Governments all the time. Will they, won’t they, it’s always potentially up for grabs.
Maybe if it ever reaches that 30% it will be ditched.

Forgot to tag ??? This is re Triple lock

Secretmeetings · 18/03/2025 18:41

Kirbert2 · 18/03/2025 18:39

That would be my concern too.

Though in my case, my son didn't become disabled until he was 8 so I'd be one of the 'lucky' ones I imagine.

The insurance policy would be run similar to state pension contributions. I.e paid for as soon as an individual is an adult. This covers someone and their children.

Mirabai · 18/03/2025 18:42

baklavagoddess · 18/03/2025 18:41

I'm a single parent on pip and lwcra, I had to leave my long standing nhs job because of my complex medical issues, I'm really worrying about how I will survive once the changes have been made I'm set to loose a large chunk of benefits every month. I would do anything to be able to go back to work, I miss feeling useful and making a difference and having a social life. Feeling very panicked about the future tonight

Good luck x

StrivingForSleep · 18/03/2025 18:43

A score of 2 or 3 in most activities means that the claimant is mostly reliant on aids and appliances rather than help from someone else.

This isn’t always the case. For example, 2 points for assistance to cut up food, 1 point for assistance to be able to manage medication, 3 points for assistance to get in or out of the bath or shower, 2 points for assistance to dress or undress lower body, and 2 points for assistance to manage complex budgeting decisions.

Bignanna · 18/03/2025 18:43

Letmecallyouback · 18/03/2025 14:39

They are not on benefits. They only get Asylum Support which is not a benefit.

Support? Benefit? What’s in a name? Same thing - It’s certainly benefitting them, and costing the U.K. a fortune. .

ARichtGoodDram · 18/03/2025 18:44

KindleAndCake · 18/03/2025 18:18

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but they'll then save a ton of money on the carers allowance that then won't be able to be claimed once the PIP has stopped. The carers will lose out because they'll still be caring, but the government will win!

All it will take is a very small number of carers to stop doing the work and any savings will be wiped out.

I get £60odd a week for caring for my DD. If she ended up in residential care it would cost thousands.

That's a change that could massively backfire

Kirbert2 · 18/03/2025 18:44

Scutterbug · 18/03/2025 18:40

I don’t think mumsnet is proportionately representative.

It's also going to largely depend on why the individual gets PIP or DLA.

There was very little doubt that my son wouldn't be awarded the highest rates of DLA because his care needs are significant compared to other children of his age and I had mountains of evidence to back up all of his care needs.

sharkysharks · 18/03/2025 18:45

The pension isn’t at that rate currently. The cost may or may not be offset by the pension age increase to 67. It’s currently 66 .

It's needs to be early 70s to be affordable but fuck that.

Rosscameasdoody · 18/03/2025 18:45

Penguinmouse · 18/03/2025 18:32

@Rosscameasdoody Well we’ll have to agree to disagree because she doesn’t use it to support her disability and I don’t actually think it’s unreasonable to want your taxes spent on actually providing the support that will help.

“Emily receives a Personal Independence Payment (Pip) of more than £400 a month, which is not dependent on the recipient's income. But the money mostly goes on her regular bills, rather than on the occupational therapy she thinks would really help her to establish a proper routine”

So what we need to know here is why she has to use PIP to make ends meet instead of paying for therapy. Disabled people are historically among the lowest paid - that’s partly why disability benefits exists and the cost of living has risen massively recently. And as I said before, the BBC are famous for telling half a story and cutting articles off at points where it suits them, or gives a certain impression, be it wrong or right. So I really don’t subscribe to the view that a five minute interview aired with the deliberate intent of paving the way for cuts to benefits, is the best way for those with no knowledge of the claimant or their full circumstances to decide that they don’t deserve the benefit they’re claiming. The need is there or PIP wouldn’t have been awarded. so yes, we agree to disagree.

Mirabai · 18/03/2025 18:46

sharkysharks · 18/03/2025 18:45

The pension isn’t at that rate currently. The cost may or may not be offset by the pension age increase to 67. It’s currently 66 .

It's needs to be early 70s to be affordable but fuck that.

That’s where it will end up.

Secretmeetings · 18/03/2025 18:46

sharkysharks · 18/03/2025 18:45

The pension isn’t at that rate currently. The cost may or may not be offset by the pension age increase to 67. It’s currently 66 .

It's needs to be early 70s to be affordable but fuck that.

Pension credit should be phased out, giving people plenty of notice.

Letmecallyouback · 18/03/2025 18:47

Bignanna · 18/03/2025 18:43

Support? Benefit? What’s in a name? Same thing - It’s certainly benefitting them, and costing the U.K. a fortune. .

It's not the same thing. One is state funded and far more generous the other is far less and funded mostly by charities.

APocketFullOfRye · 18/03/2025 18:48

ARichtGoodDram · 18/03/2025 18:44

All it will take is a very small number of carers to stop doing the work and any savings will be wiped out.

I get £60odd a week for caring for my DD. If she ended up in residential care it would cost thousands.

That's a change that could massively backfire

Surely if she needs that level of care she won’t lose her PIP anyway.

Rosscameasdoody · 18/03/2025 18:48

Secretmeetings · 18/03/2025 18:46

Pension credit should be phased out, giving people plenty of notice.

Why ? You think pensioners should be left in poverty just because they’re pensioners.

Bignanna · 18/03/2025 18:48

Rosscameasdoody · 18/03/2025 18:25

I was a disability outreach worker for many years until recently and I can vouch for the fact that it was and still is one of the hardest benefits to claim. And the success rate depends on the disability. Conditions like arthritis for example have a 70% success rate, whereas diabetes has only 27%. The last official statistics indicated that overall 40% of claims were successful at the initial application - the other 10-12% were either as a result of mandatory reconsideration or tribunal. A 40% success rate which is dependent on the type of disability the claimant has, indicates that it’s anything but easy to get.

And the above doesn’t take into account the help that claimants need in completing the application form, and the need for them to gather appropriate (and often expensive) supporting evidence. Or the fact that a high proportion of mental health claimants accept a wrong or unfair decision simply because they lack the support to challenge it. Or how stressful and demeaning the whole process is.

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You wouldn’t think it was so hard to claim, judging by some experiences of applicants . The criteria for points eg being unable to wash above the waist unaided are baffling when many recipients are in work- how do they manage?

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 18/03/2025 18:48

Wildflowers99 · 18/03/2025 13:49

I agree with the proposals. I can see what they’re doing - making it much harder to claim for MH reasons, particularly younger people who haven’t even done a days work yet. But hopefully ringfencing the severely disabled so they won’t face reassessment. This is basically what I wanted, so I’m satisfied with it. I hope this starts to reverse the trend.

Agree.

Secretmeetings · 18/03/2025 18:49

Rosscameasdoody · 18/03/2025 18:48

Why ? You think pensioners should be left in poverty just because they’re pensioners.

No, state pension remains. (Pension credit has devalued the state pension).

sharkysharks · 18/03/2025 18:50

That’s where it will end up.

Likely & hence why i'm strongly encouraging dc to leave for another country.

Pension credit should be phased out, giving people plenty of notice.

The problem with that is again the intergenerational inequality, fewer people will own their own homes as they age.

Rosscameasdoody · 18/03/2025 18:50

APocketFullOfRye · 18/03/2025 18:48

Surely if she needs that level of care she won’t lose her PIP anyway.

The second anyone goes into LA funded care of any type, all entitlement to disability benefit stops - in the same way as any stay in hospital beyond four weeks means benefit is stopped. Only those self funding their care or medical treatment get to keep their entitlement.

sharkysharks · 18/03/2025 18:50

You wouldn’t think it was so hard to claim, judging by some experiences of applicants . The criteria for points eg being unable to wash above the waist unaided are baffling when many recipients are in work- how do they manage?

Good point

Rosscameasdoody · 18/03/2025 18:52

Secretmeetings · 18/03/2025 18:49

No, state pension remains. (Pension credit has devalued the state pension).

And you really think that those on the old rate of pension will be uprated to compensate ? And what about those pensioners getting their rent paid because PC qualifies them? What happens to them ?

Secretmeetings · 18/03/2025 18:53

sharkysharks · 18/03/2025 18:50

That’s where it will end up.

Likely & hence why i'm strongly encouraging dc to leave for another country.

Pension credit should be phased out, giving people plenty of notice.

The problem with that is again the intergenerational inequality, fewer people will own their own homes as they age.

Hence why pension credit should be PHASED out. At the moment we have pension credit, state pension and private pension. It is too complicated and doesn't work.

Home ownership is a topic for another thread.

APocketFullOfRye · 18/03/2025 18:54

Rosscameasdoody · 18/03/2025 18:48

Why ? You think pensioners should be left in poverty just because they’re pensioners.

Agree
Shocking thought

Rosscameasdoody · 18/03/2025 18:54

Bignanna · 18/03/2025 18:48

You wouldn’t think it was so hard to claim, judging by some experiences of applicants . The criteria for points eg being unable to wash above the waist unaided are baffling when many recipients are in work- how do they manage?

They generally don’t need to get washed above the waist while at work I would imagine !! People so severely disabled that they cannot wash themselves in this way are usually supported in work because it indicates a high level of impairment. Do you think Stephen Hawking could wash above his waist ?

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