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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To want to split with DH after 25 years together?

303 replies

stoviesfortea · 16/03/2025 10:03

I have had thoughts of leaving DH on and off throughout our marriage but it’s always been too difficult. Kids too young, finances etc. We are very different and I actually don’t know why we even got together. It feels like it just happened and now 25 years later and 18 years of marriage, here I am.

We generally get on and have had many good times but the same old arguments and clashes come up time and time again. It’s hard to get compromises and when we argue we both just seethe and hold resentment, push it away, ignore it and then things go back to normal. But then a few months later the arguments appear again.

A big issue is I think DH has ASD (which he doesn’t believe) as one of the things we’ve always clashed over is his avoidance of people and socialising, I can count on one hand the amount of times he’s gone out with me and my friends in the 25 years together. We do separate activities and I actually avoid going out with him as he’s so awkward if we bump into anyone. I have learned to live an essentially separate life apart from the things we do at home with the kids. I’m actually fine having this sort of life so a life without him might not feel much different. He also lacks empathy and insight and this really gets to me.

The latest argument was that he blew up when I said I wanted our kitchen done up (it’s literally falling apart) and he said no as has a total issue with workmen being in the house. We’ve had house stuff done over the years but he’s always said it’s ‘hell’ and has major issues with workmen being in our house.

We are also clashing over money. We’ve always been independent finance wise (own accounts but have a joint account too and split all bills), fairly comfortable (not rich but not poor) and mortgage now paid off. I recently got a decent amount of money so we can totally afford to do the house up and go on some nice holidays. Although I’ve said this is essentially family money he has this weird male pride thing where he says HE can’t afford these things so we can’t do them. Even though the money is sitting there! It’s bloody bizarre and feels a bit controlling. We had a huge argument over this with me saying I’ll pay for holidays and the kitchen and he’s saying they don’t need done and he can’t afford them anyway. AIBU to think that’s weird?!

We also clash over sex- he would happily do it every night whereas I cannot be arsed. We do have sex about once a week but if there’s a gap of even a few weeks he goes in a weird mood and we’ve had major arguments about this in the past.

He also says I constantly nag but he is so untidy and messy and I’m sick of running about after him and our kids. We have 2 daughters who are nearing the end of school and the thought of them going off to uni and me being with DH for another 18 years does not fill me with joy, the opposite in fact 😢

He has some pluses too but the minuses always seem to trump these.

I’ve said before we should split but I’ve never followed through with it. This time though feels different as the kids are older, I think they’d be OK and maybe not majorly surprised, I could potentially buy him out of the house, and I am getting no younger (we are in our 50’s)

AIBU to finally split?!!

OP posts:
PinkArt · 18/03/2025 22:09

stoviesfortea · 18/03/2025 21:56

At no point did I say I was throwing my family away. My family mean the world to me and as the kids grow older and naturally move on in their own adult life I am wondering what life will be like for me then. I also don’t hate my husband and if we did split we would probably keep in touch (or maybe I’m being naive) and it’s about how me move forward with change in a healthy way and still as a family

OP if it helps I don't have a husband or kids and I don't envy your current situation! You sound great but I can't imagine much as depressing as being tied to a man like the one you describe. It sounds utterly lacking in joy.

SixtySomething · 18/03/2025 22:20

stoviesfortea · 18/03/2025 21:56

At no point did I say I was throwing my family away. My family mean the world to me and as the kids grow older and naturally move on in their own adult life I am wondering what life will be like for me then. I also don’t hate my husband and if we did split we would probably keep in touch (or maybe I’m being naive) and it’s about how me move forward with change in a healthy way and still as a family

It's great to hear that and I'm sure you will sort out something one way or another that lets you feel happier, although things feel bleak at present.

stoviesfortea · 18/03/2025 22:49

I wanted to update the thread too. Partly as this is now a record for me to look back on as I wobble through the next while.

This forum is the first time I’ve posted online about him and what it can be like. And today was the first time I ever confided in a real life friend and I told her everything. It was both a relief and terrifying / shameful / embarrassing. But I can’t keep my head in the sand forever.

My friend was absolutely lovely. Listened, empathised, validated and let me cry on her shoulder. I know she is there for me and she feels safe to vent to. She also has a DH who she thinks is ASD in a way too so related to a lot of it.

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MercyChant66 · 18/03/2025 23:28

OP, telling the people in your life what you are going through is a really important step on the way. Not only will you get support but also accountability. I wish you strength and resolve.

Bumblebeestiltskin · 19/03/2025 07:09

SixtySomething · 18/03/2025 21:24

They would envy your family and your home, a husband who loves you. I know how much envy I feel from women who don't have a husband/children.
But let's leave it there.
I don't think you're spoilt, but going through a difficult time and it's a shame to throw your family away on the hope life will be better unencumbered.

Oh please stop now. You sound like some reject from the 50s thinking a woman should stay with her man no matter what.

goody2shooz · 19/03/2025 07:19

@SixtySomething ‘they would envy your family and your home, a husband who loves you. I know how much envy I feel from women who don’t have a husband/children’. …..how is this in any way a reason for @stoviesfortea to continue in a relationship that is making her upset, unhappy, lonely and exhausted? Because other people - who? Her friends? No. Total strangers? So what?
(And really - you feel envy from other women???)

pointythings · 19/03/2025 07:31

But life actually is better unencumbered by a spouse who causes so much misery. I should know, I'm 8 years single and my DC are adults, but my life is brilliant. I have a job I love, a house that is fully mine to run as I please, cats, friendships, a good social life. OP could have all of those things too. Life without an inadequate husband who refuses all change is bloody wonderful.

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PeachyKeane · 19/03/2025 07:54

@stoviesfortea I left a very very similar situation finally in October after trying for a couple of years. I have not for one second regretted it. It's so incredibly freeing and empowering. We are so lucky our generation of women that we have the financial freedom to do so. I'm so happy now. Do it.

Lokens · 19/03/2025 08:05

OP, so much good advice, particularly about getting organised.

I think you should be open to selling the house and having a fresh move.

Maybe he will buy it?

But I think it will complicate things hugely and drag out a split.

Your marriage is long over.
You do not want to be in retirement with him.
He will make your life so much smaller as you age.
Everything is on his terms and he sounds so awful.
Funny how he is do controlling but if it suits him or threatens his status quo, he is prepared to move.

I feel very sorry for your children who keep friends away.
As they age you will see a lot less of them as he becomes more rigid.
They get worse, not better.
As for grandchildren? They will be an annoyance.

I know of a woman whose rigid husband got upset the first day the new baby cried in their house and it was her final push.
She had lived his way for 35 years but she had enough.
She packed a bag when her daughter left and went to stay with her sister.
She told her husband it was over and she wanted a divorce.
He begged, promised, pleaded, but she felt nothing. She was so done with his demands and whining.
They are divorced and she has a very small bungalow and desperately wishes she did it many years ago and not 65. Better late than never.

Don't let some house stop you moving forward.
Don't spend another penny on the house.
Tell him he can have it.
You want a new start.

Think of a lovely fresh start and a house filled with friends visiting regularly.

Between now and the exams start on that list and get organised.

Lokens · 19/03/2025 08:09

Christ but I have NEVER felt envy from my single friends, I have a lovely husband, lovely home, lovely children.

THEY know they are a huge source of envy from so many women as we look at their fresh, unlined happy faces in their lovely little homes living their best lives.

Go for it OP.
Do it for your daughters as muchbas yourself.

Bettyfromlondon · 19/03/2025 08:24

I have read all the OP's posts and dipped across others so I hope I am not repeating other posts but I think you need to start disengaging emotionally from the house you are living in. You may have many lovely memories of living there but that is in the past. If you were able to secure it in the divorce (after much wrangling and heartache no doubt) it will require work and funds to bring it up to a reasonable condition.

While you are getting your big ducks in a row, I suggest you spend regular time on Rightmove gently preparing the ground and looking at what might actually suit you better for the life you want to have. A house big enough for your children to come back to during and after uni if they need to? A garden that is just right for you and can be left while you go on your travels? A house that has great access to transport links and amenities? A house that requires minimum work and upkeep...... And the list can go on ..
Pore over the different styles and colour schemes to see which ones appeal to you etc.

The actual separation and divorce process is likely to be grim so, to offset what is to come, time spent imagining the future home you would like is time well-invested in my opinion! Good luck!

JackieQueen · 19/03/2025 09:07

SixtySomething · 18/03/2025 21:24

They would envy your family and your home, a husband who loves you. I know how much envy I feel from women who don't have a husband/children.
But let's leave it there.
I don't think you're spoilt, but going through a difficult time and it's a shame to throw your family away on the hope life will be better unencumbered.

What a disgusting thing to say! OP is not "throwing her family away" ! She has brought her family up virtually single handed and has had enough. This isn't something she's decided on a whim, she's had years and years of it. Your posts are very patronising and smug!

Sunat45degrees · 19/03/2025 09:30

@stoviesfortea I'm sorry that so much of my post turned out to be true. I think you are doing brilliantly to start realising this isn't okay, it's okay to talk to others and it's okay to say what YOU want and need. It's not something that happens overnight. Change will take time. But it really is clear to me that he does the bare minimum withyou and your children to keep you around.

My DH absolutely LOATHES the sort of school/parent socialising thing. Gues what he did last weekend? He went with DS' rugby team and a bunch of the other dads to the club to watch the game and have a few beers. Why? Because it was important to DS. Because DS wanted him to come. Because DS is new to the team and trying to fit in and DH wanted to help him. That's just what normal good dads do.

Good luck. I'm going to be rooting for you over the next few months!

stoviesfortea · 19/03/2025 09:46

Sunat45degrees · 19/03/2025 09:30

@stoviesfortea I'm sorry that so much of my post turned out to be true. I think you are doing brilliantly to start realising this isn't okay, it's okay to talk to others and it's okay to say what YOU want and need. It's not something that happens overnight. Change will take time. But it really is clear to me that he does the bare minimum withyou and your children to keep you around.

My DH absolutely LOATHES the sort of school/parent socialising thing. Gues what he did last weekend? He went with DS' rugby team and a bunch of the other dads to the club to watch the game and have a few beers. Why? Because it was important to DS. Because DS wanted him to come. Because DS is new to the team and trying to fit in and DH wanted to help him. That's just what normal good dads do.

Good luck. I'm going to be rooting for you over the next few months!

Thanks. Any sort of school or sports socialising this he will either not go at all, or go and stand on his own out the way of any other dads / mums. Sometimes he will talk to some dads but only if they come up to him and try to talk, it’s always quite a stilted conversation though.

He can’t seem to understand that it’s important for the DC’s to see their parents at things. All through primary it was pretty much me at school events / parents nights etc on my own. He would go to the nativity but through gritted teeth and would often go in a huff before it. He would then leave immediately with no chat with the other parents, always saying he had to get back to work.

It’s DD1’s high school leavers assembly next month and I’m not even going to ask him if he’s going. I’m not chasing him any more.

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Imgoingtobefree · 19/03/2025 09:58

Hi OP, I hope you don’t mind me adding my two penny worth.

I have divorced my husband after a very long marriage. It’s worth it.

It feels to me you have already made the decision to leave, it’s just when and how to do it that’s the problem, plus having to deal with the pushback from your husband if he doesn’t want you to leave.

My ex was very controlling and the divorce was very hard.

i agree entirely that knowing your financial situation in a divorce is paramount. Knowledge is power.

I came badly unstuck in my divorce because I am inherently honest and my ex is manipulative and an outright lier. So my suggestions now do reflect the lessons learned.

What is your objective?- I think basically to want your husband to want to leave you as much as you want to leave him.

How to do this? - well one way would to deliberately become as intransigent as he is. Get the cleaner, window cleaner, invite your friends around. Tell him (subtley), that if he wants to continue to stay married, this is what you are doing. This is of course a bluff.

Yes there may be arguments or moaning from him - you will have to put up with this, but he needs to see that things seriously need to change - and hopefully things will change too much for him. Don’t be afraid of more rows, unless you are afraid of him in any way - (I was scared of my husband and his rages).

Id also ask for marriage counselling. I really wanted it but my ex refused. I said it’s counselling or divorce. He said divorce and we didn’t look back.

If he did agree to counselling then I’d suggest you jump at it. Counselling is a good way to find a way to divorce as much as staying together. He needs to seriously listen for once to you, and hopefully counselling will be a place for that to happen. Maybe opening up to a friend or two will make you see how beneficial this can be.

Someone mentioned hoping for the best but planning for the worst. This is so true. If he won’t take any accountability for his behaviour and his faults in this relationship- then he could turn nasty during a divorce. Plan for the worst thing he might do, but keep hoping he won’t.

Lastly, this marriage has run its course - it really no longer matters who said or did what, who is most at fault. You just need an exit plan and a neat row of ducks.

Simplynotsimple · 19/03/2025 10:47

SixtySomething · 18/03/2025 21:24

They would envy your family and your home, a husband who loves you. I know how much envy I feel from women who don't have a husband/children.
But let's leave it there.
I don't think you're spoilt, but going through a difficult time and it's a shame to throw your family away on the hope life will be better unencumbered.

I have children but no husband. Believe me, I do not envy you your husband. I’m sure your marriage is wonderful, but you couldn’t pay me to live with a man again, never mind becoming doe eyed at other marriages. The utter bliss of not putting up with male company just because that was the expectation for a woman like myself, I do not regret my beautiful children for a moment but I do regret wasted youth on ill deserving men. Nothing is being thrown away, and even if it was - we all need a clear out every once in a while. Marie Kondo your life - does it spark joy, no, off it goes without a thought.

thepariscrimefiles · 19/03/2025 13:21

SixtySomething · 18/03/2025 21:02

I don't think I'm being harsh, just pointing out some of the things that aren't being mentioned. To me, it seems unusual to break up a family because you're feeling fed-up. Okay, so he's got a different opinion from you about leaving money to your children, but plenty of people think like that. Okay, so he complains about the window cleaner coming, but I should have thought that's being irritating ...
You've said that there are several good things about the marriage and that's why I find the thread strange, though not for Mumsnet, of course, just par for the course.
In fact, my opinion, based on what you say, is that you won't end up divorcing. It seems to me that you've got what a lot of people would envy.

What a load of rubbish. You are lecturing OP about her own marriage and telling her that it's fine and even that other people would envy her! He makes her feel unhappy. Therefore, she has every right to leave the marriage.

He is detached from his children. He has never been to parents' evening and didn't even attend an award ceremony where his daughter would be receiving an award. Thankfully, women don't need to stay in shit marriages any more.

thepariscrimefiles · 19/03/2025 13:28

SixtySomething · 18/03/2025 21:24

They would envy your family and your home, a husband who loves you. I know how much envy I feel from women who don't have a husband/children.
But let's leave it there.
I don't think you're spoilt, but going through a difficult time and it's a shame to throw your family away on the hope life will be better unencumbered.

Surely you know that women often don't have a husband and children through choice? Or do you view them as pitiable spinsters who are just waiting for a husband to make their lives complete?

God knows who these women are who envy you as your standards for marriage are so low.

Also, OP would not be 'throwing her family away'. She would still have her children so she would still have a family or do you think that single-parent families are not proper families?

Mirabai · 19/03/2025 13:48

thepariscrimefiles · 19/03/2025 13:28

Surely you know that women often don't have a husband and children through choice? Or do you view them as pitiable spinsters who are just waiting for a husband to make their lives complete?

God knows who these women are who envy you as your standards for marriage are so low.

Also, OP would not be 'throwing her family away'. She would still have her children so she would still have a family or do you think that single-parent families are not proper families?

Does anyone envy her or does she just tell herself that? It’s the kind of thing people tell themselves when they’re unhappy to justify bad choices.

stoviesfortea · 19/03/2025 18:42

Imgoingtobefree · 19/03/2025 09:58

Hi OP, I hope you don’t mind me adding my two penny worth.

I have divorced my husband after a very long marriage. It’s worth it.

It feels to me you have already made the decision to leave, it’s just when and how to do it that’s the problem, plus having to deal with the pushback from your husband if he doesn’t want you to leave.

My ex was very controlling and the divorce was very hard.

i agree entirely that knowing your financial situation in a divorce is paramount. Knowledge is power.

I came badly unstuck in my divorce because I am inherently honest and my ex is manipulative and an outright lier. So my suggestions now do reflect the lessons learned.

What is your objective?- I think basically to want your husband to want to leave you as much as you want to leave him.

How to do this? - well one way would to deliberately become as intransigent as he is. Get the cleaner, window cleaner, invite your friends around. Tell him (subtley), that if he wants to continue to stay married, this is what you are doing. This is of course a bluff.

Yes there may be arguments or moaning from him - you will have to put up with this, but he needs to see that things seriously need to change - and hopefully things will change too much for him. Don’t be afraid of more rows, unless you are afraid of him in any way - (I was scared of my husband and his rages).

Id also ask for marriage counselling. I really wanted it but my ex refused. I said it’s counselling or divorce. He said divorce and we didn’t look back.

If he did agree to counselling then I’d suggest you jump at it. Counselling is a good way to find a way to divorce as much as staying together. He needs to seriously listen for once to you, and hopefully counselling will be a place for that to happen. Maybe opening up to a friend or two will make you see how beneficial this can be.

Someone mentioned hoping for the best but planning for the worst. This is so true. If he won’t take any accountability for his behaviour and his faults in this relationship- then he could turn nasty during a divorce. Plan for the worst thing he might do, but keep hoping he won’t.

Lastly, this marriage has run its course - it really no longer matters who said or did what, who is most at fault. You just need an exit plan and a neat row of ducks.

Thank you, I’m really hoping he won’t turn nasty. I don't think he would as he’s always said ‘if we ever get divorced let’s do it as amicably as possible’ after he saw a pal going through an awful one. He also said we should do anything we can to not get divorced 😳

He has a bit of a temper but can calm down later eg when he apologised for what he said last weekend about not getting the kitchen done etc. But I do think he’s apologised because he’s terrified I will leave. We are being civil with each other this week and having small talk about work and the kids but it’s clear that all this is simmering underneath us. I think he’s hoping the same will happen that always happen, we ignore it for so long that we then forget about it and carry on as normal.

I have started looking for a counsellor for myself just so I can have a space to explore & vent. I don’t actually want to have counselling with him (yet? Ever??)

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AcrossthePond55 · 19/03/2025 19:15

@stoviesfortea

I don't think he would as he’s always said ‘if we ever get divorced let’s do it as amicably as possible’ after he saw a pal going through an awful one.

The thing is, 'as amicably as possible' often means "you do what I say and agree to what I want". And that 'awful divorce' could have been awful because one was trying to coerce or 'bamboozle' the other. So don't go into it trustingly, but with a healthy dose of suspicion and self-protection. This just means every suggestion he makes gets a response of "I'll have to think about that" or "I'm not sure, let me take some time to consider that" followed by research and thoughtful consideration. And remember that the harder he pushes for agreement the more likely it is that whatever he's proposing is not in your best interests.

Another reason for good legal representation. It's less likely that he'd try to pull the wool over your eyes because he'd know your solicitor would catch him out.

AllrightNowBaby · 19/03/2025 19:32

When you have “the talk” after the exams, I would advise to be quite blunt.
Don’t beat around the bush, just tell him, you’re not happy, you want a divorce, you don’t love him and haven’t for a long time….
There’ really no going back from that and no ambiguity.
If he starts his usual, it’s all in your head etc
be firm and repeat that you are going to divorce him…
You will be so happy when you find your freedom, I did years ago and they have been the best years of my life… family, grandchildren, friends, holidays, doing what I want when I want…
It’s heaven… me and my little dog 🐶😊

Sicario · 19/03/2025 20:17

Counselling for you is an excellent idea. It will provide a safe space for you to unpick all the thoughts that are no doubt churning around inside you. I really wouldn't bother with any kind of couple counselling. You already know the well is dry.

It can be hard to find your own voice when coming out of a stifling marriage. We tend to make ourselves smaller, stop expressing ourselves, knowing that there's no point because we are unheard.

You might want to try meditation too. Stick your headphones on and find some nice guided meditations to help quieten your mind at the end of the day.

Also, I agree with what AcrossThePond says about "amicable".

stoviesfortea · 20/03/2025 07:44

DH just said to me ‘are you still angry?’

me ‘no I’m not angry’

him ’are you upset cos DD1 is leaving for uni this year?’

me ‘of course I am’

No further convo as I’m off to work now but I’m now angry he has literally no insight into his contributions to our argument last weekend and has only picked up on what I said that I was sad DD1 was leaving this year. Not sure if he can’t see what he’s done himself so no insight or it’s complete denial

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