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What can I do that isn't on an individual level regarding climate change?

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7393827gsjsbdh · 13/03/2025 14:23

I've done all I can on an individual level, I've joined a litter picking group and have a veg patch and made my small garden 'wild'...
But I feel I need to do more.
I have so much passion on the subject, always have even when it was called 'global warming' and ' the ozone layer ' and 'being a hippy' 😅

What else is there to do?
I don't mind spending time and money, I only work 25 hours a week so I have time to put into a project but I don't know what would be best to try and do?

I'm thinking maybe I could try to start a really zero waste business?
I always daydream about winning the lottery and buying loads of land and building a waste free city but I'm not going to win and what's the point in waiting?

I know this is a little bit of a ramble but I just want to be able to look my children and my grandchildren in the eye and assure them that I did all I could.
so does any one have any ideas? what can I do today or plan to do next week or next month that would make a change?
or just a bit of solidarity?

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Frostywinterwoods · 22/03/2025 18:42

BigFatPumpkin · 13/03/2025 16:58

Not true. If a million people reduce their carbon footprint by 1unit, that’s a million units reduction. If a million consumers spend a pound less on carbon heavy goods, that’s a million less in terms of revenue and sends a message. If a million more people sign the petitions that groups like Greenpeace start, that’s a very loud and clear message to Governmebnt. if a million people vote Green at the next election…

You really are not thinking.. We need co2 if we hit the lies net zero everything will die, can't you do your actual homework?? CO2 doesn't cause temperature rise. There is no temperate rise, we are still coming out of the Ice are era, all this has names stages of earth and it's natural Climate change.. The earth is already low in co2. Can't you see if a scam. They are cutting down forests in Germany claiming to save planet. They have cut through rainforest countless miles to reach the "climate"building meeting.. it's all lies. And this is how they control and take farmland

Frostywinterwoods · 22/03/2025 18:44

Adamante · 13/03/2025 17:29

Indeed not to mention all those beach front billionaire owned properties on places like Martha’s Vineyard, again areas that were projected to be under water within twenty years, maybe in another 20?

Also remember when the ozone layer was past the point of no return and we would be shrivelled up within a few decades no matter what we did? Expected to recover in full by 2066 according to the WEF…. Phew! What a relief 🤨

Exactly this people refuse to listen to logic and the truth and do their homework. Just do believe everything the powers tell them

Serenllachar · 22/03/2025 18:47

DdraigGoch · 22/03/2025 18:38

"Uneducated"? You have no idea who is posting on this anonymous forum and what qualifications or experience they have. [edit: the climate denier PP is a different matter]

The OP is asking for help, not a lecture.

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I tried to make a suggestion, but OP has their fingers in their ears.

I just get exasperated by people who want to assuage their guilt but aren't willing to do something that would make a real difference.

Sorry if I touched a nerve.

Frostywinterwoods · 22/03/2025 18:49

noctilucentcloud · 13/03/2025 18:39

There is natural climate change on various timescales from a year or so to 100,000's of years. That is still happening. But there is also a warming that is caused by humans releasing greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide. Scientists from all around the globe have looked at this and the causes, many studies using different methods. I am a scientist, I have looked at the data, I have thought critically about it. I wish human climate change was not happening. But it is.

Blcks

Frostywinterwoods · 22/03/2025 18:54

distinctpossibility · 13/03/2025 19:26

Hmm yes but David Bellamy wrote in 2005 (possibly in New Scientist or similar?) using inaccurate data to back up his claims. He suggested 500 or so glaciers had increased in size, not shrunk (from a sample size of 600 odd). But it turned out that data, which he claimed was from 1989, never existed... so I do think he deserved to be viewed with scepticism from then on.

There is actual photo evidence of increased ice caps, this has been investigated and proven recently. They lied and put David Bellamy through hell& made him into a laughing stock stop believing the lies

DdraigGoch · 22/03/2025 18:55

HumanBurrito · 22/03/2025 18:41

Here's the thing. If we are wrong, no big deal, the world just gets a bit nicer and less polluted. If you are wrong, hundreds of millions of people die in climate catastrophes.

Indeed, moving away from fossil fuels and car-centric lifestyles is a good thing even without considering the climate. Better air quality improves all of our lives. Walkable/bikeable communities have happier residents than those marooned by highways. Less tarmac and more trees means less flooding and cooler urban areas in summer. Noise pollution causes stress.

Frostywinterwoods · 22/03/2025 18:59

For goodness sake.. they are using boaver as an excuse to save planet. Cows do not kill the planet. They are spraying and wanting to spray toxic chemicals in the air to block out the sun, and this is to save the planet. Get rid of your farmers cars, heating, electric, farmland ,countryside ,trees.all to save planet.. Really!?? But it's all good and ok??

noctilucentcloud · 22/03/2025 19:00

Frostywinterwoods · 22/03/2025 18:31

Exactly this and all the other lying💩 they been feeding people since. There are facts everywhere that it's lies to control and creates money..
There are photos through decades of same areas in around sea, there is no rising sea, like they claim. The weather is the same every year in southern England.. as well as faked temperate readings that don't even exist. Also England has the longest recorded temperate readings anywhere, the temperature now is the exact same as in the 50"s. Also the temperature readers were put out in the countryside , but mass forced population has caused towns, cities to spread out into the countryside giving false reading.. This and countless other evidence is out there, groups of scientists have come together to put end to the lies, and many admit why it was started. Try do your homework instead believing what they want to you believe.

Sea levels are rising. Global sea level has risen by by about 20 cm since 1900, we know this from long-term tide guages and also satellites. This increase is too small to see in photographs especially as things like tides and weather will alter sea level too and you would need to make sure that conditions were exactly the same between when the two photos were taken. The amount of sea level rise also isn't the same everywhere on the globe (due to the gravitational affects of large ice sheets and ocean currents). Additionally in some places land elevation is also changing. That means sea level change measured relative to a point on land may be increasing faster than the global mean or in limited areas (eg Norway) be decreasing. However, globally sea level is increasing and will continue to increase for 1000's of years even if temperatures stabilise tomorrow.

Temperatures are increasing. The Central England Timeseies which is the longest instrumental temperature timeseries in the globe clearly shows this. This is replicated around the globe. Additionally scientists can reconstruct temperature from things like ice cores to get a record of temperature over many 100,000's of years.

You are right that urban areas have higher temperatures than rural areas, this is particularly true at night when it's not windy. However, scientists are well aware of this and the bias is corrected for on the temperature timeseries.

The fact that temperatures are increasing and that this is related to human activity is scientific consensus. It is not true to say that many scientists do not believe it.

noctilucentcloud · 22/03/2025 19:11

"The earth is already low in co2."

This is not true. Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have been measured since the 1950s and show a clear and consistent increase. Scientists can also see carbon dioxide levels over much longer timescales from things like bubbles trapped in ice cores. Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are now higher than at any point in at least the past 2 million years.

DdraigGoch · 22/03/2025 20:09

Serenllachar · 22/03/2025 18:47

I tried to make a suggestion, but OP has their fingers in their ears.

I just get exasperated by people who want to assuage their guilt but aren't willing to do something that would make a real difference.

Sorry if I touched a nerve.

You made a suggestion, fine.

Posters said that it wasn't for them. You then started hectoring them about it. What did you think that you'd achieve with a tone like this?
As you're so passionate I'm going to assume you've already taken this step?

This is the sort of stuff that gives vegans a bad name. It's not an effective way to persuade people to change.

Likewise chucking insults around, calling people "uneducated" or "ignorant" rather than accepting that humans aren't perfect and not everyone can do everything:
So many uneducated people here who choose ignorance over uncomfortable change.

As you are clearly striving for perfection, I'm sure that you can offer advice on a range of emission reductions. Do you drive? Fly? Any practical advice on how to reduce one's transport emissions. I've found a bike trailer to be a great investment for moving bulky goods. Have you any experience of international train travel to offer? Cruise ships are obviously very bad but is there any data about ferries?

What about consumerism? I'm sure that you avoid fast fashion and use secondhand goods where you can get them. Can you offer any tips on mending and repairing stuff so that it lasts longer? Manufactures of quality products that last a long time without needing replacement? I'm typing this on a Sony phone which is almost seven years old now so I'd definitely recommend them for long-lasting quality, given that smartphones are a necessity for modern life. Maybe you can recommend other products.

DdraigGoch · 22/03/2025 20:11

Frostywinterwoods · 22/03/2025 18:59

For goodness sake.. they are using boaver as an excuse to save planet. Cows do not kill the planet. They are spraying and wanting to spray toxic chemicals in the air to block out the sun, and this is to save the planet. Get rid of your farmers cars, heating, electric, farmland ,countryside ,trees.all to save planet.. Really!?? But it's all good and ok??

This is a thread where the OP has asked about how to reduce her GHG emissions. It is not a thread to debate the wider issue, if you want to rant about your conspiracy theories kindly create your own thread instead of derailing this one.

northwestgirl · 23/03/2025 10:30

to go back to the OP
eating local produce has many benefits but not necessarily in terms of carbon footprint
we are all vegetarian and avoid processed food- dairy is our main issue wrt carbon. However, we probably have a vegan main meal at least 2 or 3 times a week- maybe you could try a vegetarian meal 2 or 3 times a week?

Serenllachar · 23/03/2025 19:01

DdraigGoch · 22/03/2025 20:09

You made a suggestion, fine.

Posters said that it wasn't for them. You then started hectoring them about it. What did you think that you'd achieve with a tone like this?
As you're so passionate I'm going to assume you've already taken this step?

This is the sort of stuff that gives vegans a bad name. It's not an effective way to persuade people to change.

Likewise chucking insults around, calling people "uneducated" or "ignorant" rather than accepting that humans aren't perfect and not everyone can do everything:
So many uneducated people here who choose ignorance over uncomfortable change.

As you are clearly striving for perfection, I'm sure that you can offer advice on a range of emission reductions. Do you drive? Fly? Any practical advice on how to reduce one's transport emissions. I've found a bike trailer to be a great investment for moving bulky goods. Have you any experience of international train travel to offer? Cruise ships are obviously very bad but is there any data about ferries?

What about consumerism? I'm sure that you avoid fast fashion and use secondhand goods where you can get them. Can you offer any tips on mending and repairing stuff so that it lasts longer? Manufactures of quality products that last a long time without needing replacement? I'm typing this on a Sony phone which is almost seven years old now so I'd definitely recommend them for long-lasting quality, given that smartphones are a necessity for modern life. Maybe you can recommend other products.

I just don't like hypocrites, that's all 🤷‍♂️

DdraigGoch · 23/03/2025 20:17

Serenllachar · 23/03/2025 19:01

I just don't like hypocrites, that's all 🤷‍♂️

Do you drive?

BigFatPumpkin · 24/03/2025 11:06

Serenllachar · 23/03/2025 19:01

I just don't like hypocrites, that's all 🤷‍♂️

Everyone is a hypocrite in some aspect or another. It’s just the human condition.

Serenllachar · 24/03/2025 12:52

DdraigGoch · 23/03/2025 20:17

Do you drive?

I'm not claiming to want ro do "everything I can", then backtracking on solid things I could do because I like the taste of a fleeting mouthful.

i.e. not a hypocrite

DdraigGoch · 24/03/2025 19:10

Serenllachar · 24/03/2025 12:52

I'm not claiming to want ro do "everything I can", then backtracking on solid things I could do because I like the taste of a fleeting mouthful.

i.e. not a hypocrite

So that'll be a "yes" then, I take it? Car ownership & operation has three times the impact of eating meat. "First take the plank from your own eye". You criticised the OP for not doing "everything, when you aren't doing everything yourself. You are very much a hypocrite (as a PP said, we all are to a greater or lesser extent, we are human).

The OP has said that they want to do everything they can. That doesn't mean that they can do everything.

Serenllachar · 25/03/2025 07:47

DdraigGoch · 24/03/2025 19:10

So that'll be a "yes" then, I take it? Car ownership & operation has three times the impact of eating meat. "First take the plank from your own eye". You criticised the OP for not doing "everything, when you aren't doing everything yourself. You are very much a hypocrite (as a PP said, we all are to a greater or lesser extent, we are human).

The OP has said that they want to do everything they can. That doesn't mean that they can do everything.

Edited

You're not getting it are you?

I'm not the one claiming I'm doing everything I can. Therefore I am not a hypocrite.

OP is.

7393827gsjsbdh · 26/03/2025 06:59

Serenllachar · 24/03/2025 12:52

I'm not claiming to want ro do "everything I can", then backtracking on solid things I could do because I like the taste of a fleeting mouthful.

i.e. not a hypocrite

oh bore off
as stated I tried vegans
saw all the plastic covered shite
argued with my husband and decided it wasn't worth the effort, inconvenience and money and decided to rent out an allotment plot instead.
that was 6 years ago
so I would say that plastic packaging to me is more important, food miles are more important and of course money is more important

it's not hypocritical to not agree with you
my grandad was born before ww2 and he wasn't a vegan', yet he wasted nothing. I decided to base my efforts on his suggestion of what they did when he was younger as it makes sense.

vegans ruined the only zero waste shop in over a hundred mile radius. because they moaned that If the shop wasn't vegan they wouldn't use it...
Well it isn't all or nothing and people can and will eat what they want! I can't force my husband to because a vegan ffs and we eat as a family.
do you think it makes more sense for me to be a perfect little vegan and obsess over food while he makes a separate meal 3x a day for himself and our children? no. It doesn't.

I've been through this it's boring. even my sister and her husband tried a vegan diet before. wasn't for them. did I cry or bitch and moan

ah yes actually you're right I should be a vegan shall we move on?

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7393827gsjsbdh · 26/03/2025 07:00

Serenllachar · 25/03/2025 07:47

You're not getting it are you?

I'm not the one claiming I'm doing everything I can. Therefore I am not a hypocrite.

OP is.

yes I'm a hypocrite
thank you you win you bore

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7393827gsjsbdh · 26/03/2025 07:01

DdraigGoch · 24/03/2025 19:10

So that'll be a "yes" then, I take it? Car ownership & operation has three times the impact of eating meat. "First take the plank from your own eye". You criticised the OP for not doing "everything, when you aren't doing everything yourself. You are very much a hypocrite (as a PP said, we all are to a greater or lesser extent, we are human).

The OP has said that they want to do everything they can. That doesn't mean that they can do everything.

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thank you I can't be a vegan
the poster up there put me off veg for life!

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Troubledwords · 26/03/2025 08:20

Going away from food, if your children are at the going to lots of birthday parties age, then perhaps making sure that cards/wrap etc are recyclable, no glitter/foil. Plus no plastic sellotape. Obviously you can't make other parents recycle, but knowing what you've given is fully recyclable helps.

Do you do a lot of writing with a biro type of pen, could you switch to a refillable fountain pen?

northwestgirl · 26/03/2025 17:49

I think we could all learn A LOT from the generation that lived through WW2
IIRC the children born then were the healthiest ever
And I bet their carbon footprint was tiny compared to ours, even if they had coal fires.

ImAChangeling · 26/03/2025 18:43

Some changes feel easy to some, but difficult or impractical to others. It’s individual. I think what is important is knowing yourself.

My tip is to think about changes that improve your quality of life if you can. Do you like crafting? Moving your body? Being outside in nature? Being creative in the kitchen or fixing things? Maybe you love travel and meeting people?

I love visible mending. So relaxing to sew, and so satisfying to give new life to a damaged item. It’s a happy accident that it saves some of the earths resources by reducing the amount of new clothes I buy. Seek out those wins 😊

ImAChangeling · 26/03/2025 18:49

Reading back over your original post, you’re asking what more you can do beyond the individual level. One possibility is to inspire others with something that you love that’s environmentally friendly.

To take my example, I might set up a visible mending group that meets once a month in the local pub. Maybe find out if a repair cafe wants my services? And see where it goes from there. Who knows, it could become a business, or at very least I’ll meet some nice people.