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This UPF thing is irritating me

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SnowMoss · 11/03/2025 11:45

I've never eaten much UPF, but it is getting harder and harder to avoid it. I don't go the whole 9 yards or anything, but try to keep myself informed and do my best to eat a healthy balanced diet.

Made a good effort to keep an eye on upf's, so for the past year have been sourcing good poultry, fish, and eating it with vegetables, etc. But I am bored out of my mind at this point! Just so fucking bored.

Then I hear about seed oils, so now even the small things that I added, such as mayo, gnocchi, the occasional flatbread (contains only sunflower oil, salt, wheat) are seen as a UPF too, due to the inclusion of sunflower or rapeseed oil. I am happy with and have the time to cook from scratch, but avoiding oils has basically taken a good whack at my time.
It's one thing trying to get people to eat a good diet, with veg and fruit and less processed meats, which will benefit their health, weight and wellbeing, but I am honest to god fed up of eating meat and a pile of veg, even if my own sauces and seasonings suffice.
And no, nothing substitutes for mayo! And no, I really don't want to make my own! I will make my own pesto, coleslaw, stuff like that, but I am bone bloody weary of avoidance.

Surely just being mindful is enough? I get that the food industry is an unregulated cesspit right now, but I am beginning to wonder just how awful it is, in moderation, to eat a some.
Sadly if I google any kind of additive or seed oil, I get lists of 'side effects' such as bloating, calcium loss and so on, it is so depressing.

If you are mindful of UPF's have you found a good balance?

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Mere1 · 13/03/2025 07:55

Doitrightnow · 12/03/2025 21:26

I agree with this. I was really looking forward to asparagus season last year as I've been trying to eat more seasonal UK produce and NONE appeared in my supermarket.

Engllsh asparagus arrives on local market stalls in my town in June. It’s easy to grow too.

Darkrestlessness · 13/03/2025 08:05

It annoys me that you can't buy flatbreads that aren't full of crap - same with bread, we eat sourdough & ciabatta because we can't easily find bread that has normal ingredients. I am about 80% on good weeks. I've got bored of meat except for lamb and steak so I mostly eat veggie food now.
I eat out a lot (1-2 times a week) and I enjoy it and I love wine (2-3 nights a week), I don't want to live forever (past 90 probably) but I want to enjoy the life I have and part of that is enjoying what I eat and drink. Life is too short, and non-processed food tastes better most of the time, so that's what I eat...when it becomes boring you're doing it wrong.

Darkrestlessness · 13/03/2025 08:09

Mere1 · 13/03/2025 07:55

Engllsh asparagus arrives on local market stalls in my town in June. It’s easy to grow too.

June seems late for asparagus. I'm getting English asparagus in East Anglia from April, by June its tailing off - it's weird that it takes so long to appear in your town.

Craftyrose · 13/03/2025 08:18

SnowMoss · 11/03/2025 12:33

What about my flatbreads though?

Are those ingredients bad if consumed several times per week, that is the question.
I would of course not worry if it was once per month!

I suppose my point is, if I like something I am going to eat it fairly often. So, say, if I was going to eat cake, it wouldn't be often enough for me to worry about the UPF. I am only concerned about my regular diet.

Edited

We make flatbread with natural yoghurt and self raising flour in equal quantities. We use this as a pizza base. It was a weight watchers recipe I think but we use it most weeks on a Saturday night. I really like it as do the kids.

WildCherryBlossom · 13/03/2025 09:34

asparagus plants take 2 or 3 years to mature before you can really get a harvest from them. Once an asparagus bed is mature it’s fairly easy to grow (but you do have to watch out for asparagus beetle!). We grew it for years - usually got about 6 weeks of harvest starting in May.

The13thFairy · 13/03/2025 10:55

Please be aware that Alpen No Added Sugar is classed a UPF because it contains whey powder. I eat it anyway. A lot of food is 'mildly' UPF and I can live with that.

BlueBatsAndOranges · 13/03/2025 10:56

gingerninja · 12/03/2025 22:23

Water is toxic if you over consume it, it’s the dosage that is the poison in a lot of these chemicals not the chemical itself.

Yes but if that chemical is in a few things that kids are eating during the day it adds up.
The water argument is ridiculous.

UnaOfStormhold · 13/03/2025 11:42

Going back to the original question, it does sound like OP is looking more for ways to have a more interesting diet. I don't think low or no UPF has to mean just plates of meat and veg, or indeed that plates of meat and veg and healthy carbs can't be jazzed up with a whole world's worth of flavours. Other than the flatbreads, is there anything else you have cut out and are missing we might be able to help you find an UPF free alternative for, @SnowMoss ? I do find borrowing a recipe book from the library every month or so helps with ideas.

Valeriekat · 13/03/2025 13:41

RobinHeartella · 11/03/2025 11:56

What's wrong with seed oils? A huge proportion of the world cooks with seed oils and has done traditionally for many many years.

Please read the news, it appears big ag has been lying to us!

Valeriekat · 13/03/2025 14:01

IcedPurple · 11/03/2025 14:50

Most seed oils have a high smoke point so they are suitable for cooking at high temperatures.

By contrast, olive oil has a low smoke point so can't be heated to very high temperatures or used for deep frying.

Just because they don't burn and you can use them to deep fry does not mean they they aren't undergoing a chemical reaction when they are heated.

Valeriekat · 13/03/2025 14:09

AngelaMerkin1 · 11/03/2025 15:09

This is misguided. The best evidence we have, from meta-analyses of human randomised controlled trials, consistently show that saturated fats are more detrimental to heart health compared to unsaturated fats.

And yet many researchers strongly disagree with you. Meta analysis can be misused.

ScribblingPixie · 13/03/2025 14:15

I always think of that Giles Coren & Sue Perkins series when they ate the 1970s with tons of red meat, Black Forest gateau and booze and all their health readings had improved at the end of the week.

TheKeatingFive · 13/03/2025 14:19

ScribblingPixie · 13/03/2025 14:15

I always think of that Giles Coren & Sue Perkins series when they ate the 1970s with tons of red meat, Black Forest gateau and booze and all their health readings had improved at the end of the week.

Edited

I adored that show 😆

Valeriekat · 13/03/2025 14:26

SnowMoss · 11/03/2025 19:01

I also think there's 'too much information'. Everyone has some sort of internet special doctor who cured their thing.
I have seen interesting articles celebrating health management via various means which then go on to reveal a financial or personal bias (vegan, carnivore and so on).
Thre's too much bias, and there's too much noise!

Anecdata!

Valeriekat · 13/03/2025 14:34

Kuretake · 11/03/2025 20:00

Yes, exactly. All UPFs are not damaging and this inflammation obsession is not scientific. Why aren't formula fed babies chronically inflamed from subsisting almost entirely on seed oils and thickeners?

We don't know that they aren't!

Valeriekat · 13/03/2025 15:01

Greyexpectations · 12/03/2025 16:57

Quantity is important.

Too much red meat and butter = too much saturated fat, which can lead to heart disease.

If you’re interested, the mechanisms are fairly straightforward.

It’s tempting to dismiss science that doesn’t fit a belief or agenda, but whilst a handful of studies may be supported by ‘biased’ money, it’s unlikely to always be the case.

In the case of red meat, it’s extremely unlikely the research is inaccurate - they are extremely powerful. They can tear down the lungs of the planet with very little backlash - I don’t think Big Veg is able to pay for sufficient dodgy science to discredit meat.

Big veg is Big Agriculture and it is a VERY powerful lobby is the USA where the infamous Framlington study was carried out.

Kuretake · 13/03/2025 15:01

I've been playing around with the Yuka app after seeing it on this thread. It's quite interesting but it doesn't seem to be really about UPFs. It just gave my very expensive jam (ingredients sugar and fruit) a red as it's too high in sugar. No idea if it would prefer a jam with sweeteners.

Valeriekat · 13/03/2025 15:02

Framington? Anyway the one where the evidence for the high carb diets came from.

BlueBatsAndOranges · 13/03/2025 15:17

Kuretake · 13/03/2025 15:01

I've been playing around with the Yuka app after seeing it on this thread. It's quite interesting but it doesn't seem to be really about UPFs. It just gave my very expensive jam (ingredients sugar and fruit) a red as it's too high in sugar. No idea if it would prefer a jam with sweeteners.

Yeah, I don’t use it for sugars/salt/fat as I don’t care about that. But the harmful additive part is good, so I have to click on each item even if it shows up as bad/poor just to see what/if any additives are in the food item.

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 13/03/2025 16:37

pollymere · 12/03/2025 20:26

UPF to me are mostly beige foods. People seem to be calling anything not made from scratch UP!

Trying to avoid a large number of preservatives I sort of understand but the only thing I really try to avoid is palm oil or coconut oil because they are so full of saturated fat.

Under their guidance butter is UPF is you didn't make it yourself!

And to be honest, just eat the turkey dinosaurs, pork pies and scotch eggs. Just don't do it everyday.

(My dietician was more concerned about my low-fat croissant intake than whether I eat UPF...)

I would think a low fat croissant is a good example of a UPF to be honest.

And not one person is saying that butter needs to be home made! I think everyone is in agreement that butter and extra virgin olive oil are non-UPF fats. Most people would agree that palm oil is to be avoided, with seed oils and coconut oil being open to interpretation.

IEatSauerkrautBeforeItWasCool · 13/03/2025 16:57

I think that problem with everything is that many people just read headlines tbh. Then add to it 795 studies a week each claiming the opposite of another. It's a shitshow.

"X linked to higher chances of some disease" for example.
But to actually have any effect one would need to consume quite an amount of X which person with averagely healthy diet wouldn't.

It also goes the other way!
"Grapefruit linked to preventing X disease"
Yeah. But you would need to eat like 18 (don't remem exactly) grapefruits a day. Don't take me wrong. They ARE good for us, but not at that amount. Actually at high amount they would be unhealthy for us. Water can pit you in coma if you drink enough of it 🤷

Gwenhwyfar · 13/03/2025 19:06

RosesAndHellebores · 11/03/2025 12:08

I agree with moderation. I gave up refined carbs and trans fats not long ago, except for in moderation. Wholewheat pasta maybe once a fortnight. I feel hugely better for it. Upped white meat and fish, veg and fruit. A cheese sauce is now a very occasional treat. My arthritis has receded, eczema has disappeared.

However, a hand whisked mayonnaise is soothing to make and tastes a zillion themselves better than that from a jar. Go on @SnowMoss give it a go. You may be surprised. It isn't at all difficult.

How long does your home made mayo last? That's the problem, at least for singles like me.

Gwenhwyfar · 13/03/2025 19:33

I think you're being unfair on tourists. People often eat differently on holiday, either because they want to really please themselves by eating what they want or because they're out and about a lot, don't have a kitchen, etc.

GreyCarpet · 13/03/2025 20:04

Gwenhwyfar · 13/03/2025 19:06

How long does your home made mayo last? That's the problem, at least for singles like me.

Mine lasts a fortnight in a sealed jar in the fridge.

150ml of light olive oil/almond oil (needs to be a flavourless oil.

1 whole medium egg.

Apple cider vinegar and dijon mustard to taste.

Takes about 5 mins to make and isn't a huge quantity.