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To be confused by benefits cuts to the disabled and ill?

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AllyHayHay · 06/03/2025 20:27

As luck would have it, I have not been in this position, but I do know of one disabled lady who has struggled. She was incredibly fortunate to already own her own home prior to her accident.

I am not what you'd call politically astute, but I have been reading about the proposed spring benefits cuts and wonder why people always discuss this ONLY affecting the sick and disabled.
I am also aware that there are many, many rough areas with families who have never worked, people who are struggling with addiction, prison sentences (their kids, spouse, etc) and these people never seem to be included in the Guardian articles and opinion pieces online.

Why would a system wish to make the life of a disabled person worse, yet ignore the growing issues of illiteracy, generational poverty and other issues which are going on in most urban areas just out of sight of the comfortably off?
Why not address the reasons that great swathes of people are living on benefits across the UK who are NOT disabled? I imagine this would drag up questions of why those issues persist - and no one in government wants to address that.

Since benefits claimants who are not in work of on the pension are a minority, are these cuts more of a populist tendency?

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Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:00

Mozzarellapanini · 15/03/2025 14:56

And I can guess how work coaches will perceive the lives of others , much the way PIP assessors do leading to people getting 0 points and having to go tribunal. It will be the professional version of ‘well you look fine to me’ and if you don’t like that they’ll issue sanctions .

This is a caring group looking after the interests of children and young adults with autism
Taking science and research at hand by professionals in this field

Dismissing research and professional advice means we become stagnated in age old perceptions of what can be achieved if people are supported.
That’s regressive.

sparkellie · 15/03/2025 15:01

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 14:35

Nope anybody with an autism diagnosis can’t live a “normal” life as they are managing a disability.To get a diagnosis it needs to significantly impact and impair life. Autistic people are incredibly resilient, some are contending with adhd and other co morbities too.How it presents will mean some are better than others at handling some aspects from life but none will be living a normal life as such as all will be managing a disability that impacts their life significantly.

That's why I said relatively normal.

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:04

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 14:56

Not it’s a crappy American website selling controversial ABA conversion therapy.

I disagree
I believe it’s important to look forward
To understand and appreciate research
To be positive
To find a way through

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 15:05

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:04

I disagree
I believe it’s important to look forward
To understand and appreciate research
To be positive
To find a way through

It’s abuse

autisticscienceperson.com/why-aba-therapy-is-harmful-to-autistic-people/

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:05

sparkellie · 15/03/2025 15:01

That's why I said relatively normal.

Or
What is normal anyway. Diversity is a good thing

Negativefeedback1 · 15/03/2025 15:05

Puppamumma · 11/03/2025 19:16

What if you have anorexia nervosa? They need the heating on for long periods of times. They also have to buy lots of clothes like thermals to keep their core temperature at a safe level.

This ⬆️. Also my disabled relative uses more water as they cannot stand up in the shower so have to have baths. They are unable to leave the house most days so the house has to be heated all day, Just a few examples of why disabled people’s bills may be higher.

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:06

I disagree
Its positive thinking

Abuse is standing back
Doing nothing
Ignoring the possibilities

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 15:06

Ultimately, I don’t think any carrot approaches will get people with anxious/ND profiles back into work. I feel like anything offered would be deemed unsuitable, or punitive, or unfair, or unworkable. Virtually every suggestion on here has been pushed back. This is why Starmer is doing what he’s doing, because there is now no other way. People will have to sink or swim, because otherwise we will all sink together.

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 15:06

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:06

I disagree
Its positive thinking

Abuse is standing back
Doing nothing
Ignoring the possibilities

Abusing autistic children is not positive thinking

TigerRag · 15/03/2025 15:07

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:06

I disagree
Its positive thinking

Abuse is standing back
Doing nothing
Ignoring the possibilities

You think forcing a child to act NT is ok?

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 15:08

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 15:06

Ultimately, I don’t think any carrot approaches will get people with anxious/ND profiles back into work. I feel like anything offered would be deemed unsuitable, or punitive, or unfair, or unworkable. Virtually every suggestion on here has been pushed back. This is why Starmer is doing what he’s doing, because there is now no other way. People will have to sink or swim, because otherwise we will all sink together.

Bullshit.

What will get my dd into work is qualifications via her EHCP, continued support and therapy to address her needs.

Not hard.

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:12

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:06

I disagree
Its positive thinking

Abuse is standing back
Doing nothing
Ignoring the possibilities

The nhs website has a positive outlook too.

Whether Labour are looking at people with autism is something we won’t know atm.
All we do know is their modus operandi is getting people into work with ?? Possibly benefit incentives.
Whilst reducing other benefits in ways we have yet to been made fully aware.

To be confused by benefits cuts to the disabled and ill?
sparkellie · 15/03/2025 15:13

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 15:06

Ultimately, I don’t think any carrot approaches will get people with anxious/ND profiles back into work. I feel like anything offered would be deemed unsuitable, or punitive, or unfair, or unworkable. Virtually every suggestion on here has been pushed back. This is why Starmer is doing what he’s doing, because there is now no other way. People will have to sink or swim, because otherwise we will all sink together.

The problem is he is beating everyone on PIP over the head with a big stick whether they have the ability to change or not. Reducing PIP won't magically improve my sons counting, it won't enable him to keep track of time passing, it won't change his gcse grades from U's to 4s, it won't give him the ability to look after himself or become aware of dangers around him. All it will do is reduce the ability for help and support to be bought in for him. For him not to be able to attend drum lessons which help improve his core strength and coordination, for him not to be able to afford a taxi to groups that can help him (given that public transport is horrendously unreliable) etc.

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:14

TigerRag · 15/03/2025 15:07

You think forcing a child to act NT is ok?

The article related to
the question posed here of
living a normal life

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 15:14

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 15:08

Bullshit.

What will get my dd into work is qualifications via her EHCP, continued support and therapy to address her needs.

Not hard.

What does her EHCP entail? The issue is they can massively over promise what can reasonably be given to 1 person.

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:17

sparkellie · 15/03/2025 15:13

The problem is he is beating everyone on PIP over the head with a big stick whether they have the ability to change or not. Reducing PIP won't magically improve my sons counting, it won't enable him to keep track of time passing, it won't change his gcse grades from U's to 4s, it won't give him the ability to look after himself or become aware of dangers around him. All it will do is reduce the ability for help and support to be bought in for him. For him not to be able to attend drum lessons which help improve his core strength and coordination, for him not to be able to afford a taxi to groups that can help him (given that public transport is horrendously unreliable) etc.

Labour are looking at the projected bill moving forward
Which as a country cannot be sustained

They have already looked at some other areas and dealt with them
They said they would not further tax workers
Now they are looking at benefits

Its a process and I don’t think they will back down in order to make savings.
As yet no one really know how the changes will affect people

AutumnTheCrow · 15/03/2025 15:19

bestcatlife · 15/03/2025 10:22

Reading some of these articles makes me think MPs dealing with these changes have no clue about the benefits system. The Times article is as clear as mud.
They need to give clear information and dates as to when the changes are happening.

The bit about PIP makes some sense, you'd have to score at least 4 points in any activity to 'qualify' so that means prompting in any activity won't qualify for payments

Getting back to today's Times article - and thanks for your comments, @bestcatlife - I'd suggest everyone on PIP, or who has a relative with an award, 'stress tests' their award against the alleged new rule about needing at least 4 point in at least one descriptor category in Daily Living, and writes to their MP.

I have 18 points myself in total for Daily Living, but only one 4! Yet I have 22 points out of 24 in Mobility for good reasons - of course I can't manage Daily bloody Living by myself ffs.

I feel like I'm now in a very precarious position should the rules have a further 'tweak', despite having a recently-reassessed ongoing award for multiple physical conditions and disabilities including severe (hospitalisation-level) psoriatic arthritis, psoriasis, and IBD.

My best friend's adult son, who has autism, will hopefully be fine as he has a recent award with a 4 and an 8 in Daily Living (his total points in DL = 20), if that is helpful to anyone.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/one-million-britons-disability-benefits-cut-s5kj0z7fc

1m people to have disability benefits cut by Labour

Rachel Reeves vows to ‘get a grip’ on the burgeoning welfare bill but cabinet ministers express disquiet over £5 billion savings

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/one-million-britons-disability-benefits-cut-s5kj0z7fc

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 15:19

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 15:14

What does her EHCP entail? The issue is they can massively over promise what can reasonably be given to 1 person.

Nope my DD’s is good and she’s getting the provision. She’s more than capable of the outcome too.

What she needs is her EHCP finished and her team to continue her treatment at the pace she and they think is ok. Forcing her into jobs that will send her spiralling backwards is not ok and counterproductive.

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 15:22

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 15:19

Nope my DD’s is good and she’s getting the provision. She’s more than capable of the outcome too.

What she needs is her EHCP finished and her team to continue her treatment at the pace she and they think is ok. Forcing her into jobs that will send her spiralling backwards is not ok and counterproductive.

But it can’t continue forever. When is it projected to finish?

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:24

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 15:06

Ultimately, I don’t think any carrot approaches will get people with anxious/ND profiles back into work. I feel like anything offered would be deemed unsuitable, or punitive, or unfair, or unworkable. Virtually every suggestion on here has been pushed back. This is why Starmer is doing what he’s doing, because there is now no other way. People will have to sink or swim, because otherwise we will all sink together.

I agree
Benefits for some will reduce or be removed.
I don’t think Labour are up for the sticking plaster method anymore.
The conservatives tried that and it hasn’t worked

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:26

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 15:22

But it can’t continue forever. When is it projected to finish?

Then benefits will ( it seems from the leaks ) reduce until she is in work @Fjgjam
Thats basically what it seems Labour are proposing

however nothings been officially announced obviously

sparkellie · 15/03/2025 15:27

Stirabout · 15/03/2025 15:17

Labour are looking at the projected bill moving forward
Which as a country cannot be sustained

They have already looked at some other areas and dealt with them
They said they would not further tax workers
Now they are looking at benefits

Its a process and I don’t think they will back down in order to make savings.
As yet no one really know how the changes will affect people

Edited

From what i can tell they want to take the money from people who can't work to give to those who can, to stop people wanting to claim they can't work. Why not look at businesses paying low wages to pay high dividends to shareholders, forcing the state to support workers, or look at the cost of housing which drives so many of the benefits needed? Because its easier to screw the ones who are unable to look after themselves, and their families, who are caring for them. Who has the time and energy to fight them when they are run into the ground just trying to keep their heads above water?

Miley1967 · 15/03/2025 15:31

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 15:19

Nope my DD’s is good and she’s getting the provision. She’s more than capable of the outcome too.

What she needs is her EHCP finished and her team to continue her treatment at the pace she and they think is ok. Forcing her into jobs that will send her spiralling backwards is not ok and counterproductive.

Thanks for posting this. Do we know if this is definate?

Userlosername · 15/03/2025 15:32

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 15:06

Ultimately, I don’t think any carrot approaches will get people with anxious/ND profiles back into work. I feel like anything offered would be deemed unsuitable, or punitive, or unfair, or unworkable. Virtually every suggestion on here has been pushed back. This is why Starmer is doing what he’s doing, because there is now no other way. People will have to sink or swim, because otherwise we will all sink together.

I agree: I have an asd dd and am likely nd myself. I want her to be able to navigate society- we cannot expect the whole world to change for us. Disability benefits are becoming increasingly expensive and trapping people in dependency. I don’t want that for my dd

Userlosername · 15/03/2025 15:34

sparkellie · 15/03/2025 15:27

From what i can tell they want to take the money from people who can't work to give to those who can, to stop people wanting to claim they can't work. Why not look at businesses paying low wages to pay high dividends to shareholders, forcing the state to support workers, or look at the cost of housing which drives so many of the benefits needed? Because its easier to screw the ones who are unable to look after themselves, and their families, who are caring for them. Who has the time and energy to fight them when they are run into the ground just trying to keep their heads above water?

Ultimately the government can’t police private industry’s profits. They set minimum wage which is already quite high

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