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To be confused by benefits cuts to the disabled and ill?

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AllyHayHay · 06/03/2025 20:27

As luck would have it, I have not been in this position, but I do know of one disabled lady who has struggled. She was incredibly fortunate to already own her own home prior to her accident.

I am not what you'd call politically astute, but I have been reading about the proposed spring benefits cuts and wonder why people always discuss this ONLY affecting the sick and disabled.
I am also aware that there are many, many rough areas with families who have never worked, people who are struggling with addiction, prison sentences (their kids, spouse, etc) and these people never seem to be included in the Guardian articles and opinion pieces online.

Why would a system wish to make the life of a disabled person worse, yet ignore the growing issues of illiteracy, generational poverty and other issues which are going on in most urban areas just out of sight of the comfortably off?
Why not address the reasons that great swathes of people are living on benefits across the UK who are NOT disabled? I imagine this would drag up questions of why those issues persist - and no one in government wants to address that.

Since benefits claimants who are not in work of on the pension are a minority, are these cuts more of a populist tendency?

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ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 10:49

Miley1967 · 15/03/2025 10:46

This is one of the most common scenarios I see in my work as a benefits advisor. A lot of people not working and claiming due to anxiety/ not being able to leave the house etc.

As a benefits advisor I would say you’re the authority of the thread.

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 10:49

Bumpitybumper · 15/03/2025 10:47

It's not ableist. It is fact. There is a huge amount of disagreement amongst the scientific community about this. This is because our knowledge of the brain is still pretty rudimentary and we are guessing about so much. There isn't even agreement about whether Autism as it's known now is a single condition or a bunch of different conditions that have been grouped together under a single umbrella. You only need to look at the way that our understanding has progressed over there previous decades to understand this is an area that's subject to huge amounts of change and we have by no means reached an 'end state'.

The current rules around disability aren't definitive or permanent and nor should they be. They should flex as our understanding improves, technology changes and to reflect social and economic realities. Previously someone with poor eyesight would have been considered disabled but the invention of glasses has mitigated this. Previously Autism wouldn't have been recognised at all as a disability unless it was severe and extremely obvious.

Well it is at the moment so you really need to respect that.

TheWorminLabyrinth · 15/03/2025 10:50

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TheWorminLabyrinth · 15/03/2025 10:51

TheWorminLabyrinth · 15/03/2025 10:34

Interested to know this too.

@ChilliLips perhaps you missed this.

Where did you get this information about 30% of LCWRA.

LadyKenya · 15/03/2025 10:52

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 10:49

As a benefits advisor I would say you’re the authority of the thread.

And one who enables some people to 'swing the lead' apparently!

Veronay · 15/03/2025 10:52

Bumpitybumper · 15/03/2025 10:47

It's not ableist. It is fact. There is a huge amount of disagreement amongst the scientific community about this. This is because our knowledge of the brain is still pretty rudimentary and we are guessing about so much. There isn't even agreement about whether Autism as it's known now is a single condition or a bunch of different conditions that have been grouped together under a single umbrella. You only need to look at the way that our understanding has progressed over there previous decades to understand this is an area that's subject to huge amounts of change and we have by no means reached an 'end state'.

The current rules around disability aren't definitive or permanent and nor should they be. They should flex as our understanding improves, technology changes and to reflect social and economic realities. Previously someone with poor eyesight would have been considered disabled but the invention of glasses has mitigated this. Previously Autism wouldn't have been recognised at all as a disability unless it was severe and extremely obvious.

Autism is almost definitely not just one thing. Especially since it's so common, it's more likely that some people just have a genetic predisposition to be slightly different, rather than an underlying pathology.

Bumpitybumper · 15/03/2025 11:07

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 10:49

Well it is at the moment so you really need to respect that.

I think you are implying that nobody can suggest the rules are wrong or need to be reformed because the current rules prevent this kind of discussion. That simply isn't correct! If it were true then we would be in a very strange situation where the rules and laws could never be changed to reflect the most recent scientific understanding and changes to society and economic factors.

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 11:08

Bumpitybumper · 15/03/2025 11:07

I think you are implying that nobody can suggest the rules are wrong or need to be reformed because the current rules prevent this kind of discussion. That simply isn't correct! If it were true then we would be in a very strange situation where the rules and laws could never be changed to reflect the most recent scientific understanding and changes to society and economic factors.

No but what you can’t do is dismiss a disability. Autism is massively disabling.

Pompompuri · 15/03/2025 11:16

Im actually spiralling here. Shaking.

Im so scared man reading all this :(

Its been about 16 months since I last SH but I dont know what else to do to calm down

All my issues are MH related. Im just completely fucked :(

ArtfulPeachPeer · 15/03/2025 11:23

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528htz · 15/03/2025 11:25

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 10:06

Most MH treatment doesn’t work anyway. I would be interested to know whether spending £££ on MH treatment for people out of work actually results in them returning to work. I’m yet to read about anyone really who has been unemployed for MH reasons who has been successfully treated and returned. This man hasn’t, for instance. 8 years on benefits, presumably years of therapy, and still insists he can’t work.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0ry09d50wo.amp

It worked for me. I'm audhd and had a mental breakdown and had to leave nursing after working for 30 years. I was suicidal and very depressed. The GP eventually changed the class of antidepressant I was on and I steadily became better. I still have low days, but I'm now working two part time jobs and doing things socially. This was unthinkable five years ago. I've struggled my entire life, but always worked and had to tough it out.

Areolaborealis · 15/03/2025 11:32

Bumpitybumper · 15/03/2025 10:47

It's not ableist. It is fact. There is a huge amount of disagreement amongst the scientific community about this. This is because our knowledge of the brain is still pretty rudimentary and we are guessing about so much. There isn't even agreement about whether Autism as it's known now is a single condition or a bunch of different conditions that have been grouped together under a single umbrella. You only need to look at the way that our understanding has progressed over there previous decades to understand this is an area that's subject to huge amounts of change and we have by no means reached an 'end state'.

The current rules around disability aren't definitive or permanent and nor should they be. They should flex as our understanding improves, technology changes and to reflect social and economic realities. Previously someone with poor eyesight would have been considered disabled but the invention of glasses has mitigated this. Previously Autism wouldn't have been recognised at all as a disability unless it was severe and extremely obvious.

But the diagnosis in itself is not the reason why people are awarded disability benefits - its the severity and impact on daily functioning. Some people with autism work full-time; some people with life limiting illness can still work. Some people without a diagnosis are bedbound and cannot work.

In my opinion the questionnaires need to be improved to be more suitable for assessing mental health issues rather than focusing manly on physical limitations. Someone with severe OCD or agoraphobia may not be able to walk to the local shop but its got nothing to do with whether or not they have two feet which is what is asked in the assessment.

TheWorminLabyrinth · 15/03/2025 11:33

Pompompuri · 15/03/2025 11:16

Im actually spiralling here. Shaking.

Im so scared man reading all this :(

Its been about 16 months since I last SH but I dont know what else to do to calm down

All my issues are MH related. Im just completely fucked :(

Honestly, step away from this thread. We don't know anything for sure yet. Most of this is speculation and gleeful frothing by benefit bashers.

Hide the thread.

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 11:41

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Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 11:42

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Having PIP for MH is not exploitation! Many mental health conditions are hugely disabling and those disabled with them have to cope with the same life traumas but with a disability on top!

PassingStranger · 15/03/2025 11:43

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Where are all these jobs going to come from though?
It's all very well, telling people to get back to work, there has to be the jobs though.
We know at the moment how many people are chasing job applications.

ArtfulPeachPeer · 15/03/2025 11:44

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Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 11:44

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Now you’re just being nasty.

These jobs aren’t out there for all people. ND and disability varies a lot. People, qualifications and suitability vary a lot.

Having deadlines, online meetings, navigating software etc is not suitable for all.

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 11:48

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My daughter’s team would disagree. She could never do waitressing. She finds dealing with people she doesn’t know hugely difficult and has several conditions that would make it difficult ( dyspraxia, sensory processing and adhd on top of autism to name but 4).She finds using public transport hugely difficult for the same reason.

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ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 11:49

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 11:44

Now you’re just being nasty.

These jobs aren’t out there for all people. ND and disability varies a lot. People, qualifications and suitability vary a lot.

Having deadlines, online meetings, navigating software etc is not suitable for all.

I was just batting the ball back, making the same point as PP in reverse.

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Unfortunately not everybody can cope with modern life.

ChilliLips · 15/03/2025 11:52

Fjgjam · 15/03/2025 11:50

Unfortunately not everybody can cope with modern life.

We have no choice but to live in it.

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