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to think a school librarian should have heard of Wolf Hall and actually read books?

391 replies

Prevalence · 06/03/2025 10:43

was chatting to a friend - who said the school librarian where he works doesn't read books, has never heard of Wolf Hall and cannot recommend any reading books to pupils as a result ... AIBU to think this is nonsense???

OP posts:
Ddakji · 06/03/2025 12:55

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 06/03/2025 11:05

Yes, it won a booker. But so have lots of books. Do you expect the school librarian to have read and heard of every single one?

Lots of books haven’t won the Booker, though. That is why books that win it are notable.

Flamingoknees · 06/03/2025 12:55

I'm not impressed with the way your friend is talking about a likely much lower paid colleague.
Also, I'd put money on some of those posting on this thread, having only heard about WH because they saw it on TV.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 06/03/2025 12:57

@Printedword other services went down/offline because we were busy reading
aah bring back the old style card index!! i loved looking through that!! it told you exactly which book unit and which shelf to find the book.

EagleOnAPole · 06/03/2025 12:59

Groosh · 06/03/2025 10:52

The standard is so low nowadays. For kids and adults. It’s not about whether you read/are aware of high quality literature, it’s whether you read at all. So if you read exclusively Dog Man, that’s fine.

Don’t knock Dog Man! My kid asked me if he could read East of Eden after it was referenced in a Dog Man book. He was about 8 at the time so I suggested he leave it a few years but it was on his radar at least.

Magnastorm · 06/03/2025 13:03

Op's friend is a gossipy twat.

Apart from that, there is very obviously a difference between a qualified librarian and someone who isn't. And even then, it's not actually in the job description of a librarian to have read every book ever.

I read quite a bit, and I've not heard of Wolf Hall because it's a genre of book I'm not hugely interested in, and I don't watch TV. So what?

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 06/03/2025 13:04

Ddakji · 06/03/2025 12:55

Lots of books haven’t won the Booker, though. That is why books that win it are notable.

Yes, lots of notable and very famous books haven't won a booker.

It's not the be all and end all.

Printedword · 06/03/2025 13:06

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 06/03/2025 12:57

@Printedword other services went down/offline because we were busy reading
aah bring back the old style card index!! i loved looking through that!! it told you exactly which book unit and which shelf to find the book.

I was involved with the digitisation project for card catalogues at a major library many years ago. I am also old enough to remember working with the card catalogues. I did like them, but they had short comings same as anything, just different snags

Ddakji · 06/03/2025 13:12

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 06/03/2025 13:04

Yes, lots of notable and very famous books haven't won a booker.

It's not the be all and end all.

I didn’t say it was. I’m simply correcting your assertion that lots of books have won the Booker.

Comefromaway · 06/03/2025 13:12

I read a lot although not so much in recent years but I have never heard of Wolf Hall.

I don't watch TV though. I go to the theatre a lot so am probably ore likely to have heard of plays.

EverythingElseIsTaken · 06/03/2025 13:12

There was a school librarian job advertised near me a while ago. A friend of mine was interested. It paid a few pence per hour over minimum wage! You aren’t going to get qualified people for that pay.
The job description was basically check books in and out and monitor behaviour in the library.

ItisIbeserk · 06/03/2025 13:12

Lemonyyy · 06/03/2025 12:46

I do understand why people would have a visceral reaction to the feeling that a librarian wasn't a "reader" - that how could we support people in finding a love of reading if we are not lovers of reading ourselves, and that is generally a notion I would agree with (for what it's worth, I have read Wolf Hall, and really enjoyed it, but I do like historical fiction generally. Not everyone does, and that's ok!). But I do think there is an interesting conversation to be had here (perhaps poorly prompted by the OPs post, which does come across as snobbery) about what reading is valuable, what literature is valuable, and what makes people actually enjoy reading.

I want kids to love reading, to value it as a pastime and choose it over dicking about on their phone. If they are someone with a short attention span, entrenched in a habit of going on social media to relax, if all I can recommend them is "classic" literature or weighty tomes then they're going to come away thinking the library is not for them. And in a diverse school, there are plenty of children for whom the Tudors might be something they can't connect with, but stories from their culture or home country would be much more engaging and interesting, enabling them to see themselves more in what they read. And yes, of course there were still voracious readers and who I wouldn't really need to work at finding extra reading for - they would often suggest books to me!

Overall I think the message from a librarian shouldn't be one of venerating a particular canon above anything else, and that all reading is valuable, not just someone reading what you think is worthwhile.

Thank you. I absolutely agree with all of this. It's massively important to understand what books will hook kids in and feel meaningful to them.

My gut reaction I think does remain that Wolf Hall is such a prominent book that it would be impossible to be keyed into modern literature at any level and simply never have heard of it, and even if your focus is strongly in more relevant children's/YA/English curriculum areas, it's worrying if you've just never heard of it as what else might you not know about?

And as someone who grew up a history geek who would probably have devoured it in my teens if it had been published at the time, and my school librarian was incredibly formative for me in helping me find books I loved. Projection innit?

CandyCane457 · 06/03/2025 13:13

Is she ACTUALLY a librarian though?
I work in a school and our “librarian” is a TA who mans the library, makes sure the ch keep it tidy and signs out their books for them, as well as doing some English and Maths interventions. Not a role she particularly wanted or asked for, was just given it by the school as she’s very organised and tidy. I’ll have to ask her if she’s ever heard of Wolf Hall.

ItisIbeserk · 06/03/2025 13:15

Comefromaway · 06/03/2025 13:12

I read a lot although not so much in recent years but I have never heard of Wolf Hall.

I don't watch TV though. I go to the theatre a lot so am probably ore likely to have heard of plays.

The dramatisation of Wolf Hall originated with the RSC, moved to the West End and then Broadway.It won both Olivier and Tony awards.

TorturedParentsDepartment · 06/03/2025 13:15

Printedword · 06/03/2025 11:51

Back in the day a qualified Library Assistant would often be the person in post. However, as a career with qualifications, this has all but disappeared. The City and Guilds library assistant course was a really good one to have

I used to work in a school library - I had the aforementioned City and Guilds qualification and also the NVQ and my boss (granted this was a private school) was not only a qualified librarian but also a qualified teacher.

She was absolutely passionate about encouraging kids to, first of all, just READ... then to use that as an inroad into exposing them to more and more quality books - and she also made sure to expose me to a range of great kids' literature while I worked there, to the point where, when I left and went off to start a PGCE - they asked us as an initial exercise to brainstorm kids' books and authors we knew of... most of the class managed a decent list... mine went on forever.

My kids' permanently skint state school has a member of staff responsible for the library who does try her best to promote reading around the school - although DD1 is hiding from her after I grassed her habit of hiding the books she wanted to read up to the library staff! (DD1 is a book hoarding goblin creature)

Ddakji · 06/03/2025 13:17

Comefromaway · 06/03/2025 13:12

I read a lot although not so much in recent years but I have never heard of Wolf Hall.

I don't watch TV though. I go to the theatre a lot so am probably ore likely to have heard of plays.

It’s been adapted for the theatre as well.

Bogginsthe3rd · 06/03/2025 13:17

Ddakji · 06/03/2025 12:54

Please tell me you’re joking!

Yes I was joking 😎

Ddakji · 06/03/2025 13:19

Bogginsthe3rd · 06/03/2025 13:17

Yes I was joking 😎

Phew! You can’t tell on here sometimes 🤣🤣🤣

MasterBeth · 06/03/2025 13:21

Magnastorm · 06/03/2025 13:03

Op's friend is a gossipy twat.

Apart from that, there is very obviously a difference between a qualified librarian and someone who isn't. And even then, it's not actually in the job description of a librarian to have read every book ever.

I read quite a bit, and I've not heard of Wolf Hall because it's a genre of book I'm not hugely interested in, and I don't watch TV. So what?

Edited

And are you a librarian?

godmum56 · 06/03/2025 13:22

weebarra · 06/03/2025 10:51

Not classic as in very old, but it won the Booker ffs.

i am an avid reader of many different genres and have never ever read a Booker book

nodramaplz · 06/03/2025 13:23

YABU if it's not required in order to apply for the job.

You gotta do what you gotta do to pay the bills!

Isthiswhatmenthink · 06/03/2025 13:23

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 06/03/2025 10:48

YANBU to think a school librarian should have an interest in books and read them.

YABU to be horrified she hasn't heard of Wolf Hall. She can't be expected to have heard of and read EVERY book and Wolf Hall isn't exactly classic literature

🤦🏻‍♀️

It’s unreasonable to expect a librarian to have heard of the Booker prize winner which has been turned into a massive TV show?

nodramaplz · 06/03/2025 13:24

@BishyBarnyBee
Was thinking the same, if I told you a tiger ate my dog, would you start a thread warning people off the dangers?

LadyNairne · 06/03/2025 13:25

YANBU

All teachers should read books and be able to recommend one to a child. And especially anyone with a job function working in a school library.

This shouldn’t be a controversial statement but I expect some posters reply and say teachers should not be readers of books, and that it’s not necessary to do the job. Reading Facebook and mumsnet and perhaps a teaching website is all they need. Which will be depressing!

BeforeWinter · 06/03/2025 13:25

Comefromaway · 06/03/2025 13:12

I read a lot although not so much in recent years but I have never heard of Wolf Hall.

I don't watch TV though. I go to the theatre a lot so am probably ore likely to have heard of plays.

So you'll have heard of the 2013-14 RSC dramatisations of Wolf Hall and its sequel Bring Up the Bodies, their high-profile transfer from Stratford to the West End where they won several Olivier and Evening Standard Theatre awards, and in 2015 on to Broadway, where they were nominated for eight Tonys. And the concluding part of the trilogy, The Mirror and the Light, which played in the West End in 2021.

FKAT · 06/03/2025 13:26

I'm not sure whether a librarian should have read Wolf Hall or not but when I was doing a gay and lesbian literature module at university I borrowed Hanif Kureishi's My Beautiful Laundrette and the librarian (at an RG Uni) said 'I don't know why on earth you would want to read anything like that young lady'.

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