To claim overtime as my new boss now wants me to "make up" some lost time.

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I've worked at company for around 9 years. No issues, work done etc on a salary.
New boss arrived in January. A couple of weeks ago, I said I'll be in late because of dentist at 9, so will be in around 9:45. Just a heads up.
He says "that's fine. When will you make that time back up?
Me: "what do you mean?"
Boss: " the 45 minutes. When will you make that up?"
Me: "errr... I won't?"
Boss: "you have to. All time off needs to be made up"
Me: right, in that case then, all extra hours need to be time off in lieu of overtime then?
Boss: sounds fair.
Me: ok, when did this new policy start please?
Boss: Jan 1.
Me: ok. I'll submit my overtime then, I'll make up the 45 minutes when it's paid.
Boss: sure thing

Got him to email to confirm.

As soon as it came in I submitted 46 hours overtime, to be paid at x1.5 🤣🤣

He blew a gasket, complaining it would come from his budget etc I said "but that's the policy. Feel free to deduct 45 minutes,and then I won't make up the time.

I will now be working 9-5, no overtime, nothing!

Good job!. People don't stick up for themselves at work and they get walked all over x

Is there such an overtime policy? Wherever I've worked routine appointments are made up over lunch or after regular hours. Your choice to do extra if unpaid.

Way to motivate your salaried employees Boss!

I would try to go back and discuss with your new boss. Sounds like your previous manager had a give and take attitude, which is entirely appropriate, especially with a salaried employee.

New boss * ( first time in the role?) is either not used to managing salaried staff, or has some very outdated views . Either way, you are stuck with him for now so perhaps try to discuss expectations. If he sticks to the ‘making up time ‘ line, then you stick to the 9 to 5.

Yes. He wrote that I could claim overtime. It's at x1.5, and weekends is x2.

Literally never had to make up time here before, was always just given and take, do what needs to be done etc

Your new boss is an idiot. Well done standing up for yourself

I mean - I think you are not unreasonable as that's the policy.

But presumably this manager has already put your back up, which is why you reacted like that instead of saying - I've done 20 or more hours over every month this year, so I already have made it up. Which would have been less provocative!

Yikes.

He sounds like a bellend. Sounds like he pulled the 1 jan policy out of his arse.

So frustrating but probably worth cooling things now as this sounds like it could get pretty combative and he could make your life difficult. PP suggestions re a conversation on expectations are wise.

This is where flexitime works well.
I used to do an extra five minutes here and there without really noticing as it added up, and by the end of the week naffed off home early, or could do an appointment with it.

How did he not know that you've been working an extra 5-6 hours per week? Doesn't overtime have to be agreed before it is worked, so it can be budgeted for?

We had this. Previously running late wasn’t an issue as there would be some days when people could leave earlier so it all came out in the wash. Theatre manager decided that if a list finished early staff would either have to use overtime or stay doing busy work until end of shift. TOIL was hard to schedule due to rota issues. Practically overnight it became incredibly difficult to continue as no one would stay late. So ridiculous.

good for you for standing up to him

I love nothing more than a show don’t tell to managers who are inflexible 😂

It sounds like prior to the new manager's arrival the OP was doing what a lot of us do, which is work slightly longer than our agreed hours most weeks. This is really normal in a salaried professional job, and the understanding is that there's a Quid Pro Quo, if the employees need to work shorter days on occassion because of medical appointments or similar. No one where I work gets "overtime", but people who work a lot of extra hours tend to get more done and thus get promotions or bigger bonuses. If staff regularly work weekends for a project roll-out they submit extra days to have off in lieu later.
Her manager has completely shot himself in the foot by being petty. For the sake of 45 minutes, once in a blue moon, he's now paying through the nose for several hours a week that he was previously getting for free.

you just stay a bit later, start lunch late etc.

Was this new policy communicated to staff beforehand or did he decide to tell you after you informed him of your dentist app? Has he created this policy or has it come from above. I find so many employers now seem to show a general distrust for staff

Good for you!!

I love a good bit of malicious compliance! Well done OP

Forgive me, I still don't quite understand. I'm a teacher so have always worked extra hours here and there as needed, with no opportunity to claim for overtime. The majority of teachers do this by choice and/or necessity.

Are you saying that in business, you can just choose to work longer hours, without agreeing it beforehand, and then hit your manager with the bill? So if someone's a bit short on money one month, they can just unilaterally decide to work more hours an get paid for it?

Maybe I'm not making myself clear. I absolutely understand that people often "stay a bit later, start lunch late etc." because work needs to be done, but if they want to be paid for it, I would have thought that they would need to agree with management beforehand. E.g., "There's a real backlog of work atm and I can do a few extra hours next week on this, is it ok to claim this as overtime?". How on earth does management budget otherwise?

That wouldn't work in my organisation, as a PP has said, you can't just decide to work part of your lunch break or stay a bit later in order to claim overtime. It has to be agreed in advance and it needs to be for a valid reason.

This is why my son in law is now a bus driver and no longer a theatre nurse.

Yes, I understand the doing extra hours from time to time because there's maybe a backlog and it just needs to be done. I do this all the time as a teacher, although in my case I very rarely get the time back quid pro quo. I also understand that this can be beneficial to the employee in terms of promotions and bonuses etc. What I don't understand is how an employee can choose to work extra hours without agreeing beforehand with management that they will get paid overtime for it. In your example of working weekends on a project, surely it's agreed beforehand that they'll get the time off in lieu? How does budgeting work if an employee just says "By the way, I worked 20 extra hours last month and here's the bill".

Because I didn't care to, because if I needed time off for something they didn't mind. Once needed a week off looking after child, they didn't get me to take it as any kind of leave. Couple of years ago,had to come in an hour late every Monday for caring duties, they didn't bat an eyelid. That kind of thing.

We have to get our overtime approved in advance and give a specific reason.

If we take time out for an appointment, we have to make the time up. (Not on flexi time)

...no. it's just sometimes it happens that you leave an hour later just to get something finished, or someone has popped in at 4:50, and you leave at 5:20 instead. That kind of thing.

A bit confused at people commenting "that wouldn't work at my job" okay? It's not your job is it, it worked for OP under previous management.

Well done op, not many people stand up to their managers. Love a bit of malicious compliance.

Good on you @OP!