13 year old girl in Lancaster attacked by 10-15 girls

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She was out with a friend, left the cinema, then followed and attacked, phone broken, stamped/kicked in the head. Friend was also attacked.

Onlookers say it was sickening

What is going on ?

We also have teenagers stabbing each other.

https://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/national/brutal-girl-gang-attack-in-lancaster-leaves-13-year-old-with-head-injuries-5018576

This sort of social issue with teens going on everywhere unfortunately. There was an incident in Bristol last week, something in Durham and a serious incident in Nottingham just for starters.

Those poor girls. It must've been terrifying. It would be hard for anyone to intervene, too, given the numbers involved. We need a police presence on the street. I can't understand why that stopped.

It stopped because people don't want to pay the taxes required to have a police presence on the streets.

And when the police actually do their job, and deal with an incident like this one, people will post the footage all over social media accusing them of being racist (wouldn't have done it if they were white), sexist (that officer told that women to calm down), or bullies in uniform (those officers just punched that guy who was trying to stab them).

We either need much tougher laws, with sufficient prison/rehabilitation places to make those laws effective, or we need four times the number of police officers we currently have.

But again, nobody wants the pay the necessary taxes to fund all of that, so round and round we go.

But don't forget, no matter what happens, blame the police. Your MP's job depends on you doing this.

@Chiseltip so very, very true. Well said!

Sadly this has always happened. Nasty bullies have always existed, things like this happened back when I was young it's nothing new

Awful. But I hate the "what is going on these days". It's always been like this. I got punched in the face aged 11 in the centre of a Cotswold village for doing fuck all apart from not being local in 1984 by a group of girls.

This is really scary. I’ve always felt completely safe in the centre of Lancaster. Didn’t the witnesses intervene?

Lancaster is really not the sort of town where this sort of thing happens regularly so it is really shocking to hear. I hope they find this nasty gang and make an absolute example of them.

Really?! The police are full of racists and misogynists. I've worked alongside the police for years and some of them are truly terrible. Look at the terrible behaviour of so many Met officers. There have been reviews into this and all have concluded various forces are institutionally racist. To say it's down to taxes is rubbish and belittles the bad experience of 1000s of people at the hands of the police.

Because there are no consequences. Even if they find the perpetrators, nothing will happen to them. They will keep doing similar things with increasing levels of violence until one/some of them stab and kill somebody.

More police on the streets is far too late.

Treating the symptoms not the cause. The question is why do we have increasing numbers (it appears I have not seen the data) of feral children.

I think now with social media and smart phones and increased reporting we are exposed to more stuff we would never have previously seen.

There no way any male could of stepped in and got involved he’d leave himself open to all sorts of allegations

Nonsense. If these people are arrested and convicted, there will certainly be consequences.

Our government is too busy looking abroad at the moment. Starmer needs to stop grandstanding and get some control back on our streets before he runs around being a saviour to everyone else. There's no punishment for antisocial behaviour and kids today know that. They know that 10-15 girls piling on one girl is wrong and should be held accountable for it but they'll probably get a telling off because the police don't have enough powers or resources.

There lies the problem. People should be able to push yhese girls out of the way, at the very least, to save the victim. Anything it takes really but no one can say 'boo' to children these days. It doesn't 'take a village' anymore.

It isn't a "these days" thing. Sophie Lancaster was a very famous case and she was attacked in the same way but didn't survive.

Not a chance of anything substantial enough to change the behaviour of these kids. The path is always the same. Shit behaviour at school, bullying, assaults, minor drug dealing, possession of knives, robberies, stabbings...... At no point does the criminal justice system do what's required.

And parents will justify their children’s bad behaviour (bullied, COVID, school, SEN) and make an issue in the media or on SM, against the authorities.

Agreed. Definitely happened a lot when I was growing up it almost happened to me a few times but I was a very fast runner thank god.

Bullies have always existed it's nothing new

We need parents to bring there children up properly. Parents need to be parents and stop trying to be bezzie mates with their offspring. When the adults act like teenagers themselves the children don't stand a chance.

It's not really a "these days" thing. Lancaster is a great place to live and grow up, but these things have always happened. I was always nervous walking through town in my school uniform as people from our school tended to get picked on, and there were some parts of the city where we just wouldn't go at all. The bus station has often been rough. That poor girl had a horrible experience. But I remember kids getting beaten up there and elsewhere in the town back in the 80s and 90s.

In this area, an attack of this severity is not a common thing to happen amongst our young people which is why it has horrified locals.

Having said that I am aware of at least two other incidents of young people that I know, in the last couple of years who have been attacked by a gang of youths, simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or because they were seen as different.

Within society there is an increase in negative and challenging behaviour being observed, some of it being fuelled by kids being recruited into criminal gangs. There is also an increase in poor parenting of these kids too. People are too scared to challenge poor behaviour, parents/carers do not put into place boundaries or back up others such as schools or the police when managing behaviour. Unlimited access to social media/gadgets is also a factor. It’s a vicious cycle, and looks only to get worse unless we as a society break that cycle.

Those poor girls that were assaulted, this will have a massive impact on them mentally. I do hope that the attackers are found, but I’m not convinced that justice will be served.

Overall violent crime has dropped dramatically since I was a teen (the 90s). I am not suggesting this makes this incident any better but it's not true to paint it as a modern problem.

It happens because there are too few authority figures (who have any actual authority to act) in children’s lives, and unfortunately that very often includes their own parents, who are also often the ones interfering in other authority figures doing their jobs.

No authority figure will be perfect and they will make mistakes, just like parents. But authority figures have been rendered spineless by parents not accepting that simple fact.