13 year old girl in Lancaster attacked by 10-15 girls

[Cartwrightandson]

She was out with a friend, left the cinema, then followed and attacked, phone broken, stamped/kicked in the head. Friend was also attacked.

Onlookers say it was sickening

What is going on ?

We also have teenagers stabbing each other.

https://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/national/brutal-girl-gang-attack-in-lancaster-leaves-13-year-old-with-head-injuries-5018576

I definitely am not a fast runner 😂

This happened now and then when I was growing up in the 80s. The difference is that there's no way anyone out of my immediate local area would have known about it unless someone died (once a girl came close after she was stamped on in the head with a stiletto heel).

Filming raises awareness and produces evidence I guess, but it also provides another way for the victim to be bullied and retraumatised over and over again.

One very nearly caught up with me one time I probably would of been hospitalised if they had, this thread is bringing back the adrenaline (not the good sort of adrenaline😂) from it all. This was the 00s, bullies never went away even back in the middle ages there were probably kids beating each other with sticks and shoving kids down wells

We live in a country of thugs. The aggression everywhere has got out of hand. Just this morning I saw a shop assistant screamed at and an incident where a man had awful road rage with a woman. And so many people have apathy about it with comment like “it’s always been like this”, “there’s nothing we can do”.
Incidents did happen in the past, I’m not discounting that. But the scale of peoples rage is much greater now. There were not signs everywhere in the past stating “we won’t tolerate abuse” because it was a much rarer event. I worked in retail for years when I was young and I remember 2 incidents where we had an aggressive customer, now it’s a daily occurrence for retail staff.
Stabbing were also rarer, but now there are multiple reported every day.
There have always been bullies, but I think there are far more people with that personality type these days.
If I was in my 20s I wouldn’t entertain having kids now, this country is a mess.

We don't have apathy about it when we point out this has always happened, it's obviously terrible what has happened to that poor girl.

But it IS true that it's nothing new. I remember things like this happening almost every day as a kid. Your personal experience makes you think it has gotten worse but life changes like moving towns etc could make it seem that way but I agree there should be stronger punishments

Saying it hasn't increased isn't the same as doing nothing. It's important to be clear on the facts though as that affects the solutions. We can look at what changed when crime started falling and do more of that.

If anything I'd argue the opposite that it's more unhelpful and defeatist to just throw your hands in the air and denounce the entire country as violent badly parented thugs.

It's not apathy. I work in community development and have thought a lot about how to reduce crime in my neighbourhood. But it's unhelpful to blame society now when this is an endemic problem and needs to be considered as such. Violent crime was at its peak in 1995. Slo we need to look at why it has gone down. Certain types of crimes such as knife crime has risen and we need to see why.

A blanket "in my day" it wasn't like this post isn't helpful or true.

Little rat bastards.

This definitely went on in the 80's when I was a teen. I saw a girl battered by a gang of girls, was chased down by a gang of older girls and beaten myself (by just one, with others watching - car stopped and shouted at them and they ran off, luckily) and another time a friend was badly beaten, watched on by many, then left unconscious on railway lines.

The difference now is there is a narrative in the press about how awful teenagers are so it's widely reported on.

That said, it's clear that we are still failing to get the message across to teens that violence is never OK.

The police hire people, not "officers". You will find the same people in every walk of life. Every toxic manager, every colleague who bullies, belittles you and takes credit for your work. We accept these behaviours in every office environment in every business in this country. We even joke about it, we have memes about "toxic managers", we consider it normal, if undesirable.

Why so you think the police would be any different?

Officers are paid less than most office middle managers.

But we/you expect them not just literally risk their lives for us, but they must be walking saints while they do it.

If you want the best of the best, a saintly presence on every street corner, then you must pay them as though they were just that. You want them, but you won't pay for them.

People who work as police officers are no different to any other people. Don't kid yourself that becoming a Police Officer changes you, it doesn't.

If you were a raging misogynistic areshole before you joined the police, wearing a uniform won't change that.

The most toxic, manipulative, nasty bullies I ever met were female teachers.

And I'll bet most teachers on here would agree with me.

But kids stabbing and killing other kids really wasn't a thing. Bullying yes, knives no.

I don't know what the answer is, stricter punishments, community service perhaps. Always remember Rory having to pick litter in Gilmore Girls. Perhaps the embarrassment of having to appear in an orange tabard may have an affect on some of our youth

I believe councils have the powers to evict tenants if a child is persistent in receiving ASBO's. Perhaps some parents maybe a bit more interested in where their little darlings are but this is assuming:

a) the girls involved live in council properties
b) the council is willing to do this, I've never actually heard of it happening

And then it's not fair on the perpetrators who don't live in council properties that get away with no punishment so it's probably not been worth me making this post

Do hope the girls hurt get some counselling and that they recover from their injuries

I don't think the evidence supports this perception. I'm struggling to find precise figures for longer than about 10 years ago but sources seem to suggest youth violent offences are also down.

ETA: seems to be worse than 10 years ago but better than 20 years ago.