To wish Starmer would make a unilateral decision to rejoin the EU?

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That’s all, really. Yes it would be ‘undemocratic’ but should we sacrifice national interest on the altar of a vote from 10 years ago that everyone seems to regret?

We feel adrift during a scary time, and the US has all but ghosted us.

The majority of the population didn't vote for it though.

Also why not call wherever your Country of origin racist or xenophobic if they are unwilling to accept entry of the partner of a citizen to work?

Those are by no way equivalent to calling people "stupid" or "numpties" because of the way they voted (see above posts) - that is saying they lacked the ability to make a rational decision and is an attack on intrinsic characteristics. Saying someone is a "sort loser" or "remoaner" is arguably factual based on their behaviour - unwilling to accept the outcome of a democratic referendum.

Yes don't EU passports carry the right for dependents, ie husbands to accompany you to another EU MS? Employment rules might vary I suppose, but if you were economically better off in another EU MS then this would make sense

As I said, it's not easy to be uproot ourselves. We live here and our children were raised here. You see how that works? It's almost like it was real people that were affected by Brexit.

It's fine though, you're the bitter one, still angry that people haven't seen the light on the amazingness of Brexit.

I'm still here. The UK I moved to is just shitter than it once was. You know that. Nothing has improved for you, and nothing will. Your EU neighbours still live here they just like you less.

It was George Osborne who was chancellor at the time who said it was a once in a lifetime vote that was highly unlikely to be repeated.

The EU seems useless at the moment. Always paralysed by indecision.

It's OK when the world is going well, but doesn't exactly turn on a sixpence and spends more time talking than actually doing.

I think the UK is in a good position to build a relationship as a go between between the EU and the US, and it appears to be going well at the moment.

We're actually just starting to get to the point where we can take real advantages of being out of the EU, so it would be ridiculous to go back in. I don't think even Starmer wants that.

We can tell! Our PM is definitely unadulterated proof of that!

Saying someone is a "sort loser" or "remoaner" is arguably factual based on their behaviour - unwilling to accept the outcome of a democratic referendum.

It's factual that those who voted to leave were less well educated than remain too. So.

Exactly this. And this is why I don't engage with the 'sore losers.' The utter nonsense they come out with is farcical. 😂

Don't rise to the bait! They're just bitter and angry that they lost.

And of all the time to be starting a significant relationship with the US it's hilarious that we're starting now with Trump's "America First" campaign and the First Twat Musk offering to liberate the UK.

Well, he didn’t want it at all. He tried to dissuade Cameron. The then government could not have done a worse job of setting out the parameters and implications, and they set it up as a non-binding referendum.

He was a Eurosceptic, but he did say that he believed that we would negotiate a good deal. Cameron scarpered before finishing what he started.

Agree. It is slow. Much as I might like better links, the US will move a lot faster and will not start the negotiations on trade with political poison like youth migration, fishing rights and adherence to their courts.

I mean Starmer might be very pro EU but he likes being PM better. The US will act much more quickly. A lot has already been discussed

Wrong on a few counts, please learn some basic GCSE statistics.

1. The only requirement is that 50% of the population will be above median intellgence and 50% below. Whether 50% is above or below average depends on the distribution of intellgence around the median.
2. Being above or below average does not make someone stupid (though not understanding statistics and trying to use them might be a good indicator...). All you can saw is less/more intelligent than average/median
3. Lastly, you are implying fewer intelligent people voted for Brexit. I've not seen a study that discounts education, wealth or other factors

Why oh why do people still bang on about this Europe has moved on from when we left and is it’s own shit show we rejoin and we join that shit show on very unfavourable terms

Time people accepted that and move on

Yes, there are studies to show less educated people more more for leave. That's not a value judgement on them, more on you!

Firstly, more educated doesn't mean more intelligent or not being an idiot. It does correlate with likelyhood to be living in a metropolitan area, have a more priviledged upbringing or generally be richer

Secondly, hard to argue that the positive impact of EU membership was predominantly felt on well educated people, who are more likely to earn a higher wage, travel frequently, employ domestic staff, have private schooling. Of course they would vote for remain.

To be more succinct, what was the benefit of EU membership to a manual worker. If they could afford an EU holiday, shorter queues once a year, versus significantly reduced wages?

How do you think that will play out?

Starmer makes an announcement and the population nods in agreement and gets back to what they are doing?

Tbh, autocracies seems to be all the rage.

The USA has a democratically elected President who is carrying out his election promises whether we like it or not.

Our Prime Minister is not a President (thank Christ for that, considering what's happening on the other side of the pond), and cannot make a unilateral decision on his own. We had a referendum, like it or not, and to overturn it, we would need another one. Then the EU could decide whether to allow us back in.

Yeah, this.
I voted YANBU, * as I think we should rejoin.
The vote was to leave though, and you can't just decide to ignore it because you don't like the result.
It would cause even more unrest.

No thanks. Europe is a collection of greedy countries that screwed the UK for hears. Bunch of crooks. Trump said as much today and I agree.

Fuck no. Absolutely not. Its not up to him anyway thank god.

No more wasted money on voting. No more squandering.

Just pay the fuel allowance, why do they have to claim? They have every detail about us anyway.

Let's see some action with banning dividend payouts to shareholders and directors for water and energy companies.
.Let's see some regeneration of towns and cities WITHOUT building all over the parks.

Let's see the boats stopping. What about getting the billions given to Rwanda back?

What about giving up the MP fuel allowance they get whatever their salary.

Oh, and bring back the Latin teachers.
I think we've had quite enough of labour's unilateral decisions already, thanks.

No, I voted Leave for many reasons but part of it was the fact that the EU (not the 'European people', who are not in any case a homogenous group) thought it could tell people they needed to vote again because they got it wrong.

Another reason was that I disagree with the basis on which the EU was founded, which was not free trade or freedom of movement but the creation of a United States of Europe to rival the USA.

But mainly I thought it was an undemocratic institution that I did not wish to be part of.

Free trade and free movement did not outweigh that for me.

But thanks for proving the assumption I believed 'lies on a bus' and must be stupid. I actually have a PhD in and lecture in Politics and that's the kind of unevidenced, uncritical thought I expect from my first year undergraduates.