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To be taken aback by SIL's reaction

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SILdrama2025 · 27/02/2025 00:11

Changed username for this. It's going to be a long one but I think the backstory is important.

DH has 1 DS. We all live in the UK, but they are from one European country and I'm from another. DSIL came to the UK some years after DH. As he had done previously, he introduced her to all his friends and helped her settle in. I moved here a year after and we all enjoyed a very good relationship. The 2 of them are very different but we enjoyed socialising together, but DH has always been aware that she complains about his ways with common friends and (intentionally or not) creates distance between him and his friends.

A few years ago, I fell pregnant. 6 months later, SIL found out she was pregant too and, although it was unplanned, she sad she was very happy to go ahead as a single parent. When DC1 was born we moved to a larger house and when DN was born SIL moved round the corner from us. Because we live so close, we ended up spending lots of time together and it seems like she expects us to invite her along with us anywhere we go, but never invites us when she meets her own friends, and often meets our common friends without asking us to join, even when we introduced her to them ourselves.

The first Christmas after our kids were born, she decided to join us in my home country, even though we hadn't really asked her to. She said my family had previously told her she was welcome any time, and she didn't really have anywhere else to go (their parents both passed away). She had just lost her job so we paid for her flights and sorted out accommodation for her, and she tagged along everywhere we went. It was fine but obviously changed the dynamics. She then started messaging family members of mine directly, to the point that she invited my cousin over when she was visiting the UK and we were away, and I only found out from my cousin even though I see DSIL several times a week.

DSIL is always complaining about how hard things are for her and never really bothers to ask how we're doing - she often says we have life easy as there's 2 of us, with 2 stable jobs, my family for support, etc. We can't talk about our DC without her comparing with hers. After months of my DH getting resentful about (what he sees as) the one-sidedness of the relationship, he spoke to her about all of this and asked her to keep some distance from family and friends in my home country, and not assume that she can join us there, because it's the only aspect of our life where we have our own space. She took that really badly and the relationship hasn't been the same since.

Last year, I fell pregnant, the due date was Xmas Eve and we came to my home country to give birth and spend a few months. DSIL mentioned that she'd like to come spend Xmas with us but we said that wouldn't work because we wouldn't be able to 'host' her right when we'd be giving birth and trying to settle in with our toddler, and suggested she visit for a weekend in Jan if she didn't have leave from her new job. She said that wouldn't work for her as she had other travel plans and that her Xmas was ruined as she'd be alone. We've been in touch via videocalls regularly and now DH messaged our date of our return and asked if she'd be free to meet as soon as we get back as we'd like to introduce her to DC2. She replied that she can't wait to meet DC2 and see all of us again but will let us know when she's free closer to the date. And that she wants to reiterate that this doesn't change the fact that she's going to be 'the last' to meet her DN after all the 'outsiders' have been introduced over these months and she can't believe we did that to her, telling her that we didn't want her in my home country and didn't let her choose her own travel dates or consider the fact that it's hard for her to travel for just a weekend alone with a toddler. As a side note, a common friend just told me that she's going away for a weekend, somewhere else, a month before we return to the UK.

I'm quite upset that she's made it all about her. We used to be very close and I'm pretty offended myself that she didn't come visit at all in the 3 months we'd have been here.

So, if you got this far:
YABU: cut the woman some slack, she's got a lot going on, she has a right to do and say what she likes with people she knows, and your DH was insensitive trying to cut her out and tell her she's not welcome
YANBU: DSIL should realise it's not all about her, especially when you were having a baby, and that she can't only take from this relationship

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Everydayimhuffling · 27/02/2025 06:14

I don't understand why you paid for her flights and accommodation when you didn't want her to come to Christmas? You had the perfect reason for her not to come. So I think being resentful of it now is really unfair tbh. Similarly being resentful of her not visiting this time.

However, I would not accept her complaining about everyone meeting her nibling before her and would just tell her that that was her own decision as she didn't come any time after Christmas. I also wouldn't be happy with her expectation that you invite her out with friends when she doesn't invite you. I would be pointing that out to her any time she complained.

Pamalarrr · 27/02/2025 06:29

YANBU - reading that it sounds like there are 3 of you in your marriage.

gettingthehangofsewing · 27/02/2025 06:39

She doesn't sound very nice. Keep the relationship at a distance. Have separate relationships with your friends to her and get on with your life. Laugh together at her mind games, don't get involved.

sesquipedalian · 27/02/2025 06:40

This would drive me insane, particularly the friends thing, and the entitlement. You married your DH, not his sister as well! One thing about friends is that you can sound off about other family members, knowing it won’t get back to them - if she has taken over your friends, then that isn’t the case. I’d hate it - and as for paying for your SIL to come to your home country for Christmas - wouldn’t be happening.

Theunamedcat · 27/02/2025 06:44

I don't understand people saying you told her not to come? You told her you couldn't host her surely she could have got her own accommodation and popped over to see the baby you would have allowed her to visit? Wouldn't you?

MelainesLaugh · 27/02/2025 06:50

I think it was a bit mean to tell her she couldn’t come over to your country for Christmas. She could’ve stayed in a local hotel or something.

GottaKeepOnKeepingOn · 27/02/2025 06:53

Ugh, enmeshed families… this isn’t going to end well...
Also, am I the only one wondering which two European countries you’re from?

Quitelikeit · 27/02/2025 06:58

At least he has addressed her behaviour- she was far too enmeshed- she was basically taking you for granted and doing wth she wanted without any consideration of your feelings

Stainedbyink · 27/02/2025 07:00

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Butterbean21 · 27/02/2025 07:05

I feel I have the controversial opinion here but I wouldn't have left her to be on her own at Christmas. I can understand you not wanting to host of course and I could completely understand if she couldn't afford accommodation that maybe it wouldn't have worked out.

Also she met your cousin and then when your cousin was in the UK you were away so she asked them round. I think that's nice.

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 27/02/2025 07:07

She wasn’t on her own at Christmas!! She was with her child!!!!!!

her behaviour with your family is fucking weird….

I felt claustrophobic just reading that. You need some space from each other.

it just sounds and feels enmeshed

the meeting baby no 2 is a red herring - don’t get worked up about her not bothering that’s what she wants… so normal service can resume and she’s living in your pocket again. Let her crack on - you do her thing, she does her. Dont invite her to every little thing, just see her 2-3 per month like normal people

Hdjdb42 · 27/02/2025 07:09

Now you've put some boundaries down, she doesn't like it. I'd stick to them. She's getting too much now and it's one sided.

SALaw · 27/02/2025 07:21

@Needtosoundoffandbreathe I wonder if the edit function is only in android? Theres aren't 3 dots above my messages and I frequently decry the lack of edit button (iPhone)

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Thunderpants88 · 27/02/2025 02:08

You told her she couldn’t some to your home country. Now you’re annoyed she isn’t coming?

Am I missing something glaringly obvious? You have sent very mixed messages

OP didn't want to invite her for Christmas as her due date was Christmas Eve so she wanted some time to recover from the birth before hosting her SIL.

The relationship seems very one-sided. SIL's friends are her own and OP and her DH are never invited to things by SIL, but SIL expects to be included in everything with OP's friends and family.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 27/02/2025 07:35

Thunderpants88 · 27/02/2025 02:08

You told her she couldn’t some to your home country. Now you’re annoyed she isn’t coming?

Am I missing something glaringly obvious? You have sent very mixed messages

No they didn’t. He said “keep some distance (ie not trying to build separate relationships with OP’s cousins) and not to assume she can just join them there anytime”. She (and you it seems) chose to take it a different way.

Then she tried inviting herself again for Xmas, not because she wanted to help but because she didn’t ‘want to be alone’. They specifically invited her in January once baby had been born, she declined. Then she moaned that OP’s family met the baby first.

Sounds exhausting. I don’t think YABU at all OP.

dapsnotplimsolls · 27/02/2025 07:42

She's an arse.

VintageFollie · 27/02/2025 07:46

I think I'd have to move in your situation. She's moved in on your friends and your family and has a massive sense of entitlement to your time and effort whilst making no effort herself. It's claustrophobic and a bit unnerving. You didn't marry her, so you need to put some space between you.

CaptainFuture · 27/02/2025 07:46

Redspottyfrog · 27/02/2025 00:16

Tell her 4 words “back the fuck off”
you have to set boundaries or she is never going to change. My sil expects the world to revolve around her but DH and I stopped playing the game a long time ago. Yes she spat her dummy but at the end of the day she needs us more then we need her so she nows knows what we will tolerate and what we won’t.

as for SIL coming away with is us- the thought sends a shiver down my spine

This.
Why should she be 'cut some slack' and be encouraged to continue in her central character, me centric life, where you all have to meet her demands and she only thinks about herself?

Coralsunset · 27/02/2025 07:47

Can you move back to your home country? Or somewhere else far far away from SIL?

She sounds batshit.

MellowCritic · 27/02/2025 07:50

Redspottyfrog · 27/02/2025 00:16

Tell her 4 words “back the fuck off”
you have to set boundaries or she is never going to change. My sil expects the world to revolve around her but DH and I stopped playing the game a long time ago. Yes she spat her dummy but at the end of the day she needs us more then we need her so she nows knows what we will tolerate and what we won’t.

as for SIL coming away with is us- the thought sends a shiver down my spine

as for SIL coming away with is us- the thought sends a shiver down my spine

Same!!! Actually not just a shiver but a melt down so big you may not recover from it, and that's just from the thought of it 🤣

SILdrama2025 · 27/02/2025 07:51

Thanks everyone! I'm usually not too annoyed by all of this and tell my DH to calm down and try and see it from her side, but her message yesterday had me fuming.

I get those saying we should cut her some slack and stop sending mixed messages. I guess the reason I'm upset she didn't visit is because DH compromised on no visits to my home by suggesting she visited in Jan because she said she wanted to meet her new DN and we also wanted her to meet them asap, but she showed no interest when she realised it couldn't be over Xmas.

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SILdrama2025 · 27/02/2025 07:54

TheaBrandt1 · 27/02/2025 06:10

How does she justify her “what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine too” stance?!

She says they're the only immediate family each other have and she thinks it's nice to share as much as possible, especially for our DC. A lot of 'hers' is related to female, child-free people (when her kids is with the baby's dad) so I suppose she doesn't want to be talking about kids etc? Not totally sure tbh.

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Chillilounger · 27/02/2025 07:55

It's annoying. I would be tempted to move far enough away that she won't come all the time but not so far that she ever has to stay over. A big life upheaval but I value my privacy and downtime. Either that or change your locks, tell DH he needs to keep her at arms length and make new friends that you don't introduce her to.

SILdrama2025 · 27/02/2025 07:56

Everydayimhuffling · 27/02/2025 06:14

I don't understand why you paid for her flights and accommodation when you didn't want her to come to Christmas? You had the perfect reason for her not to come. So I think being resentful of it now is really unfair tbh. Similarly being resentful of her not visiting this time.

However, I would not accept her complaining about everyone meeting her nibling before her and would just tell her that that was her own decision as she didn't come any time after Christmas. I also wouldn't be happy with her expectation that you invite her out with friends when she doesn't invite you. I would be pointing that out to her any time she complained.

We paid because she was jobless at the time and we thought it would be nice to spend Xmas together with her and our DN. This was before the resentment started really building.

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