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Au pair

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20623n · 25/02/2025 04:37

I think this is more of a rant/reassurance piece - apologies for the length!!

We have an au pair who has been with us for about a year and she has just told us that she is leaving today as she has been struggling with her mood (her grandmother died unexpectedly recently, which I completely understand) and she finds my son too difficult.

For context, we have provide all living expenses (accommodation, food, phone) as would be expected as well as double the amount in "pocket money" that an au pair would usually have, which we felt was the right thing to do given how expensive everything has become. We also cover the costs of meals out/takeaways etc for her and any guests that she has to visit. Basically, if she is with us or acting on behalf of us, we cover everything (as we should. I also feel that we went above and beyond (e.g. Letting her sister stay for nearly 3 months to get her out of an unpleasant situation, letting her bf stay for two months, finding her bf a job with visa sponsorship - we did this, not to get anything in return, but because we felt it was a nice/good/right thing to do).

In terms of duties, I cook and clean and do her laundry, so there is no expectation on that front (aside from keeping her room clean). We did originally ask her to keep on top of the dusting which she never really consistently did, but was never a hill to die on that she doesn't really help around the house. For childcare, she has my three year old two days a week during term time (9-5) and a bit more during the holidays. There was a period of time (3 months) where we needed more from her (9-5, mon-Fri), but we got her agreement and paid her a "Nanny" rate as well as covering all that we would usually. My husband and I also work from home so it is not unusual for us to take him for a bit most days.

Our son (3M) is a darling 90% of the time, but I do fully accept he can be a brat. He knows his own mind and can lash out when frustrated. We have never let this go unchecked and have tried to make sure that we are there to support in any way. He really did not warm to her initially so we worked really hard with her to get it working and made it really clear to her that communication is key - if there is a problem, let us know and we will work with you (as we have done in the past) - we are not going to see everything, so if there is a problem, please let us know before it goes too far so we can sort it. We have also never (I feel) been unreasonable when we have had to talk to her. There were a couple of incidents (left him unattended at soft play to go to the loo, had a tequila cocktail on a lunch out with her bf that made her woozy) where we have said something, but were not angry, just calmly explained why we were unhappy with this.

So anyway, about a month ago she was saying how wonderful little chap was and how is behaviour has improved so much etc. so we thought everything was rosey. Fast forward a couple of weeks and her grandmother unexpectedly died. We were very sympathetic (as we should be) and immediately gave her compassionate leave to go home, lent her £1000 for the flights and off she went. When she came back, all was fine for ten days, but then she started acting oddly. Admittedly at that point, my son was poorly and it was painful for him to go for a wee and he was lashing out about going to the loo (I tried to make sure I took him most of the time, but it wasn't always possible. I did also try and coach her into what was working). We also noticed that she was essentially just parking him in front of the TV and was on her phone most of the time so tried to encourage her to take him out/play with his toys etc.

Anyway, she dropped the bombshell on us this morning that she hadn't been feeling herself, our son was too much (and she had felt this way for the entire 12 months) and she was leaving. It completely blindsided us. She wanted to continue working with us for 2/3 months so that she had more money and her bf would have moved to the UK by then so she could live with him.

She was very surprised when I said no to the 2/3 months and said it would be a maximum of a month (the notice period is actually 2 weeks, but I am not a monster). I checked that she has somewhere to go (her other grandmothers) and we worked out a payment plan for the £1200 she owes us to make sure she has cash. I am now thinking that I want her to go asap (paying her a month in lieu of notice) as it is awkward (for her as well), we will need to find a replacement and so will need her room back, and I do not feel that I can allow someone who has said they are leaving because they cannot manage my son to continue looking after him for a further 3 months. The added compounding factor is that I am 4.5 months pregnant (there was no expectation to help with baby until much older) so want him all sorted out with his new nanny as far in advance of his sibling's arrival as possible. He is tightly bonded to au pair so I feel that her leaving, a replacement and a new sibling in a six week period is way too much for him. Am I being unreasonable in this??!!

I am quite pragmatic - if she had told me she wanted to go and live with bf, I would have understood - nothing personal and all that. The issue is that she says it is my son, but has never spoken up despite regular check ins/ discussions etc. if she had spoken up, we could have potentially avoided all of this. In that regard, I feel let down and am questioning am I a good mother? Is my three year old really horrid? He goes to a pre prep school and they as well as anyone else who looks after him (including his former nanny who has kept in close contact) wax lyrical about what a lovely, bright boy he is, with no issues (other than knowing his own mind!)

Apologies for the long post, a lot to get off my chest and this has been rather cathartic!

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mummytrex · 25/02/2025 04:51

I don't think that either of you are being unreasonable.

I've learnt the hard way that going above and beyond / wanting to be a thoughtful/nice employer has tended to come back and bite me in that people frankly like to push the envelope.

whilst it was fine for her to ask, in your shoes given she said she isn't feeling right and essentially doesn't appear to like your son I'd do as you've suggested and have her out with paid notice (either in the form of actual payment, or agreeing by agreeing to write off the loan).

Your loyalty / duty understandably is to your son, not the au pair and so I would do what works best for him and your family.

mmsnet · 25/02/2025 04:54

sounds like your son is the issue but you refuse to accept it

MumChp · 25/02/2025 05:01

She's young. Be glad you've had her for a year. You don't own other people's labour.
In my experience au pairs are relatively short term in employment compared to for example nanny jobs.

20623n · 25/02/2025 05:02

Thank you

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20623n · 25/02/2025 05:10

@mmsnet
I don't think that is entirely fair, I have accepted that my son is far from perfect as is made clear in my post. I certainly don't brush poor behaviour.@ under the carpet, but equally I do have to rely (to an extent) on communication. I have always made sure to have regular check ins for anything to be raised and managed (with support) at that point and nothing has been. The post was a bit of a vent as well as an I being unreasonable for wanting her to go (with a month's pay in lieu of notice) soon rather than the 2-3months that she wants

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20623n · 25/02/2025 05:13

@MumChp I agree and pragmatically, it is for the best. @@The post was a bit of a vent as well as an I being unreasonable for wanting her to go (with a month's pay in lieu of notice) soon rather than the 2-3months that she wants

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StarStay · 25/02/2025 05:16

I think you're taking this too personally.

She's young, she's just gone through what sounds like a big life event, she's struggling atm, she feels it's time to move on.

I don't think it needs to go any deeper than that.

I personally don't think I'd mind letting her work the month but obviously I'm not there to sense how awkward it all is.

20623n · 25/02/2025 05:27

@StarStay You are probably right and that's kind of why I posted - to work those frustrations out. I am not so much bothered that she is going, that's life, more of an irritation and she owes us nothing.

I am more frustrated about being told how awful my son is, but then expecting us to keep her on for another three months! We can easily manage without anyone for a couple of months so to me it is just prolonging the inevitable with associated awkwardness.

I am mostly just looking to vent a bit and to see if I am being unreasonable in not keeping her on for another three months

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Porcuporpoise · 25/02/2025 05:30

Not sure what the problem is, she gave you plenty of notice. How long did you think she'd stay for? Au pairing is generally a stop-gap job for a young person, it's hardly a career. Hire a nanny if you want a professional who may stay longer.

Edited to add: yes I think YABU to not let her work the 3 months but ultimately that's your decision to make.

Beautifulbouquet · 25/02/2025 05:33

She's young. She doesn't know what three year olds are like and she hasn't developed grace.

Don't take it to heart. But do move things on quickly ensuring the money she owes is deducted out of her pay as she won't pay you back once she's gone.

snoopyduh · 25/02/2025 05:36

By the sound of it you are taking this very personally. This is now a young woman who has lost her grandmother and after having been home reevaluating what she wants to do. As mothers we just get on and handle whatever our toddlers do/behave while raising them but you cannot expect that same from a young au pair. She doesn't have the same understanding and resilience.
Yes her leaving means you now have to make new plans but don't punish her for wanting to leave after loosing her grandma. If you don't want her to work her notice period then let her go early or let her work and maybe you can deduct the money you lent from her wages and expenses.

olympicsrock · 25/02/2025 05:43

You are taking this far too personally , childcare is hard , she is living in your home which is quite suffocating as a lifestyle. She wants to move on and do something else.

She’s tried to give you plenty of notice but actually once someone decides they are going , the writing is on the wall and the relationship is
uncomfortable for all. She doesn’t make an effort with your son any more and needs to go.
I would just pay her 3 weeks notice ( generous) and ask her to leave after a week, which is a combined total of a month’s notice.

ParrotParty · 25/02/2025 05:44

mmsnet · 25/02/2025 04:54

sounds like your son is the issue but you refuse to accept it

How? Neither the old nanny or school have had issue with the 3 year old. I would give that more weight than an inexperienced au pair who got tipsy during work hours and left a 3 year old unsupervised in a public place.

Mumdiva99 · 25/02/2025 05:46

It's fine to ask her to go. You need to sort an au pair/nanny before the baby comes. Whilst you appreciate the long notice, unfortunately that doesn't work for you so she needs to be out by x.

Completelyjo · 25/02/2025 05:48

She’s allowed to say your son’s behaviour is too much to manage. It sounds like that’s not an unreasonable reaction. The way you describe your 3 year old doesn’t sound similar to mine or the other 3 year olds we know.

20623n · 25/02/2025 05:48

Porcuporpoise · 25/02/2025 05:30

Not sure what the problem is, she gave you plenty of notice. How long did you think she'd stay for? Au pairing is generally a stop-gap job for a young person, it's hardly a career. Hire a nanny if you want a professional who may stay longer.

Edited to add: yes I think YABU to not let her work the 3 months but ultimately that's your decision to make.

Edited

The three months is her request, not notice period which is 2 weeks. I don't feel wanting to move her on when she has basically said she can't manage my son is punishing her, I feel it would be irresponsible to continue that for 3 months!

in terms of the actual inconvenience, it is relatively minimal to us. She is an extra pair of hands rather than essential childcare. I probably am taking this too personally, but am more venting my frustration on her not speaking up about the issue sooner. It is certainly not something I am saying/enacting towards her (obviously, as she is young and technically has done nothing wrong)

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Porcuporpoise · 25/02/2025 05:52

It is quite normal for young people to find looking after small children to be "too much" and not really a reflection on your son at all - I'm sure he's no harder work than any 3 year old.

20623n · 25/02/2025 05:55

Completelyjo · 25/02/2025 05:48

She’s allowed to say your son’s behaviour is too much to manage. It sounds like that’s not an unreasonable reaction. The way you describe your 3 year old doesn’t sound similar to mine or the other 3 year olds we know.

She is absolutely allowed to say that. I just wish she had said it sooner, which is the only issue that I have with the whole situation - nothing despite regular check ins - I can't do anything to address things if I don't know there is a problem!

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Mummyoflittledragon · 25/02/2025 05:55

If she’s an extra pair of hands and she’s parking your dc in front of the tv etc, then yes, I’d ask her to leave asap and pay her the notice you agreed. If you want more reliable care, perhaps a nanny share or nursery would be more beneficial. You’ll soon have 3 children. That’s a lot for a young person to manage.

SpringCabbage · 25/02/2025 05:55

Yes, you are taking this far too personally and venting.

A wise boss once said to me when you employ anyone/have someone on your team, they are on loan. There are no guarantees they’ll stay, for any number of reasons, and in some cases where you try to get people to stay you’re holding them back.

She’s given you notice and her reasons. You disagree with some of them but have massively gone off on one telling us how much extra you pay for take-outs etc. Irrelevant.

You need to reflect on why she couldn’t tell you sooner about any issues if this is your reaction.

You say she’s not the main childcare so what’s the issue.

gettingthehangofsewing · 25/02/2025 05:56

It's work not personal. If you handed your notice in would your boss react this way? Yes you went above and beyond for her which was lovely but you didn't have to. You could have paid a basic wage with none of the extras, you can't hold it against her because you chose not to.
She has given you additional notice allowing you plenty of time to rearrange your childcare you can choose to accept that or not but sending her off early out of some sort of strop is ridiculous.

Do you need a au pair? Perhaps a nursery would be a bit easier for you to manage.

CrispieCake · 25/02/2025 06:06

Taking personal feelings on both sides out of it, the issue is that this person cannot cope with and is providing sub-standard care to your little child.

YANBU to want to find someone who can care for him safely, competently and affectionately as soon as possible.

20623n · 25/02/2025 06:12

Thank you for all of your very useful responses.

I agree that I have probably taken this too personally, but will stress that this was very much a venting post and that is where it stays as was my intention - we all need a bit of an outlet sometimes! I would certainly have never dreamed of saying this to the au pair herself (my frustrations are not hers and it would make me an irresponsible/awful person to make them hers)

My initial response to her will remain the same. I'm very sorry to hear that, I wish you well and let's all move on. I have checked that she has somewhere to go and that she will have some money with the month that we will pay her in lieu of notice, but I cannot, in good faith, allow her to continue looking after my son. It is not good for him or for her and would be irresponsible of me to leave him with someone who has said that she cannot cope with him. Not the result of a strop, but rather an avoidance of worry and awkwardness as well.

My son is at pre-prep three days a week and, as we have another baby due, we will be going back to a nanny as we had before for the two years before.

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LittleRedRidingHoody · 25/02/2025 06:13

Take your personal feelings out of it, and just imagine it as a job.

I think when people have mental health issues they often panic and don't think people will believe them, so come up with something to 'pad' it as it makes them feel ridiculous just 'not being themselves' ~ it may well not have much to do with your son at all!

Completelyjo · 25/02/2025 06:15

20623n · 25/02/2025 05:55

She is absolutely allowed to say that. I just wish she had said it sooner, which is the only issue that I have with the whole situation - nothing despite regular check ins - I can't do anything to address things if I don't know there is a problem!

Ultimately she’s there to do a job. She’s not doing it out of the goodness of her heart or the love for your son. It’s a job to her. If you don’t like a job you aren’t telling your boss until you’ve definitely decided to leave and lined up another plan.