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AIBU to think that WASPI women should not be entitled to compensation?

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mugglewump · 24/02/2025 10:11

They've been on the news again marching for compensation in a climate where the government is having to make very difficult decisions about funding to stop our debt ever increasing.

I think there are far more deserving cases for goverment money than women who didn't act on information at the time and sort their pensions out or keep working (p/t or f/t) until retirement age.

Moreover, the people paying this compensation are those who will be working until they are 67 to 70 to claim a state pension. Surely, it's a bit ick to expect them to bail out women who retired at 60?

OP posts:
TheignT · 28/02/2025 11:16

MontyDonsBlueScarf · 28/02/2025 07:45

@TheignT I know, the problem is that I can't find out what his SERPS was. Apologies to everyone for hijacking the thread but messaging is disabled at the moment, and I think it goes to show that pension issues that look as if they're simple to resolve aren't necessarily so.

Maybe they can't release his NI record to anyone else, confidentiality and all that. Have you any of his paperwork, bank statement that shows his pension payments? If you can see his payments just deduct the basic pension and what is left is his SERPs/S2P.

This isn't the same as finding out in advance what your pension will be as people are saying we should do as you are trying to find out after you got the pension.

PhilomenaPunk · 28/02/2025 11:16

@Perseimmion correct me if I'm wrong but the ombudsman did not disagree with the age rise but with how it was communicated to a small group of women. That is a very important distinction.

Badbadbunny · 28/02/2025 11:42

PhilomenaPunk · 28/02/2025 11:16

@Perseimmion correct me if I'm wrong but the ombudsman did not disagree with the age rise but with how it was communicated to a small group of women. That is a very important distinction.

Lots of posters have made the same point. It's not about the decision to raise the state pension age, nor transitional arrangements, it's the cack-handed way it was communicated to some and not others. Ironically, if DWP hadn't written to anyone, they wouldn't have got the same criticism as everyone would have been equal!

PhilomenaPunk · 28/02/2025 12:24

@Badbadbunny exactly, so it feels very disingenuous for lots of posters to be equating the ombudsman's ruling to sex discrimination which is not the case.

Completelyjo · 28/02/2025 12:35

Perseimmion · 28/02/2025 11:10

It’s not me you are disagreeing with, it’s the Ombudsman.

Again, it’s not ageism to not support the ombudsman’s position that since it wasn’t logistically possible to single out only the minority that were effected by later letters for the second change in pension age that a low level compensation should be applied to all.

A majority of women who are on record as receiving letters openly admit they didn’t open it or read it! Why should they then receive compensation?

Stop crying ageism, it makes you sound stupid. You can’t dismiss any criticism as ageism, it’s not remotely accurate or factual to the situation.

Perseimmion · 28/02/2025 13:05

Yes, I agree with the Ombudsman. Disagreeing with someone who has looked at this issue in great depth, is not a good look.

I’m thrilled for all you younger women, that discrimination against women is better than it used to be. However, as women our work is not done. The degree of discrimination against women the world over is sickening.

rainingsnoring · 28/02/2025 13:10

Perseimmion · 28/02/2025 11:10

It’s not me you are disagreeing with, it’s the Ombudsman.

Most people replying appear to disagree with you and the ombudsman, including plenty of have identified themselves as being WASPIs. Plenty of poor decisions have been made in courts, by politicians and by ombudsmen. Having an official role does not make you any more correct than anyone else.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 28/02/2025 13:11

Perseimmion · 28/02/2025 13:05

Yes, I agree with the Ombudsman. Disagreeing with someone who has looked at this issue in great depth, is not a good look.

I’m thrilled for all you younger women, that discrimination against women is better than it used to be. However, as women our work is not done. The degree of discrimination against women the world over is sickening.

Why are you assuming everyone is younger and unaware of discrimination against women?

The very nice perk of having been able to retire at 60 on a full pension seems more like positive discrimination to me. I’m in my 50s btw so not exactly a spring chicken

rainingsnoring · 28/02/2025 13:12

ThatsNotMyTeen · 28/02/2025 13:11

Why are you assuming everyone is younger and unaware of discrimination against women?

The very nice perk of having been able to retire at 60 on a full pension seems more like positive discrimination to me. I’m in my 50s btw so not exactly a spring chicken

Indeed. The discrimination is mainly against the younger generations. That applies to both state, public sector and private sector pensions and many other things besides.

Perseimmion · 28/02/2025 13:15

ThatsNotMyTeen · 28/02/2025 13:11

Why are you assuming everyone is younger and unaware of discrimination against women?

The very nice perk of having been able to retire at 60 on a full pension seems more like positive discrimination to me. I’m in my 50s btw so not exactly a spring chicken

I’m not assuming that at all. You are the one doing the assuming.

Throughthebluebells · 28/02/2025 15:01

AlexP24 · 24/02/2025 15:04

This thread is upsetting to read - the callousness of women towards each other. We should absolutely be supporting the WASPI women, and I am gobsmacked that any women would disagree. In fact, I am in no doubt that a smear campaign (and it is a smear campaign) has been started on social platforms because I have recently read similar threads on Reddit and X, all designed to stir up a campaign of mistruths and misunderstanding. Perhaps you should all actually go to the WASPI website to find out the truth.

WASPI women are of an age when many were unable to join pension schemes (many women weren't allowed to join company pension schemes until the 1990s), and in any case, many stayed at home to raise children so this would not be an option for them, many were given one years notice of a 6 year pension age increase, whereas men were given 6 years notice of an increase of a year. The list goes on.

The same thing is happening now. Stay at home mums have to either apply for child benefit or, if their partner earns over a certain amount, they have to 'opt' out of the child benefit. Both claiming and opting out mean the women's state pension is protected during that time. Thousands of women are said to be raising their children without either claiming or opting out - for a myriad of reasons - thousands of women set to be without a state pension in years to come. And they will be the women at the bottom of the pile, the most vulnerable and from the poorest backgrounds - as it ever was - who will suffer the most.

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I lost several years of pension contributions due to being a SAHM wraising DC without claiming child benefits. I had no idea that not claiming one benefit would be detrimental to my pension so many years later. At that time, the information was not available on the Internet so I really didn't have sufficient knowledge to realise what I was doing. I was brought up to not claim benefits so assumed that if I didn't need the money, it was a good thing to do! Now I do need the money, it is too late to do anything about it.

bellabasset · 31/01/2026 07:39

As many people pay tax could people not beibg kept informed of how nmany year's contributions they have, you arezalkocated an NIC no when quite young so perhaps you could check by yourcno. . One thing the government should be doing is putting the funds aside for future pensions rather than treating it as a benefit when people may have worked for over 50 years and contributed. If you haven't worked and apply for a pension then yes that is a benefit. I paid an NIC stamp from my work during weekends, evenings and holidays. Nowadays many pupils don't have the opportunity to work due to changes in regulations. Yet having a record of work experience can often give young people.a reference when applying for jobs whilst at university or college. Neighbours children worked in catering at a?local hotel chain and it helped all of them them when they travelled abroad.

VindiVici · 31/01/2026 07:41

bellabasset · 31/01/2026 07:39

As many people pay tax could people not beibg kept informed of how nmany year's contributions they have, you arezalkocated an NIC no when quite young so perhaps you could check by yourcno. . One thing the government should be doing is putting the funds aside for future pensions rather than treating it as a benefit when people may have worked for over 50 years and contributed. If you haven't worked and apply for a pension then yes that is a benefit. I paid an NIC stamp from my work during weekends, evenings and holidays. Nowadays many pupils don't have the opportunity to work due to changes in regulations. Yet having a record of work experience can often give young people.a reference when applying for jobs whilst at university or college. Neighbours children worked in catering at a?local hotel chain and it helped all of them them when they travelled abroad.

The government has no money. It's tax payers money.
Tax is already at an all time high.
Young people should not be paying more to support older people.
Anyone can open their own private pension putting in a very small amount every year.

HelenaWaiting · 31/01/2026 07:50

Throughthebluebells · 28/02/2025 15:01

I lost several years of pension contributions due to being a SAHM wraising DC without claiming child benefits. I had no idea that not claiming one benefit would be detrimental to my pension so many years later. At that time, the information was not available on the Internet so I really didn't have sufficient knowledge to realise what I was doing. I was brought up to not claim benefits so assumed that if I didn't need the money, it was a good thing to do! Now I do need the money, it is too late to do anything about it.

You may still be able to address this. Contact DWP and ask about Home Responsibilities Protection. You don't necessarily have to have been claiming Child Benefit.

LBFseBrom · 31/01/2026 12:35

I've never worked out what a WASPi woman is. I presume if I was one I'd know.

PinkFruitbat · Yesterday 08:36

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 24/02/2025 11:08

The people paying this compensation are those who will be working until they are 67 to 70 to claim a state pension. Surely, it's a bit ick to expect them to bail out women who retired at 60 Yes!

You may not even get the State Pension. It’s unaffordable and with the demographic shift towards more retirees, I suspect it will become means-tested. In which case I will get nothing.

Happyher · Yesterday 12:27

LBFseBrom · 31/01/2026 12:35

I've never worked out what a WASPi woman is. I presume if I was one I'd know.

If you were born after 1960 you aren’t one

PrettyPickle · Yesterday 13:43

MidnightPatrol · 24/02/2025 11:09

No, it’s absurd.

Every woman after them will be working far beyond 67 - if they even receive a state pension at all.

Why this group gets compensation I have no idea.

I’m not even confident I’ll be getting a state pension and yet I’m legally obliged to keep putting money ‘towards it’.

Surely that is the point, if you don't know that something you have always been told you will receive isn't going go happen, then you can't prepare.

You have doubts you will get a state pension and so you can prepare.

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 15:46

PrettyPickle · Yesterday 13:43

Surely that is the point, if you don't know that something you have always been told you will receive isn't going go happen, then you can't prepare.

You have doubts you will get a state pension and so you can prepare.

But the state pension ages were announced as far back as 1995, so those retiring 2010 onwards had 15+ years to "prepare", yet they still claim it's not long enough.

And yes, I appreciate there is a small number of them who were badly hit by the short notice of the second change, but they were still aware of the first, bigger, more impact, change.

PrettyPickle · Yesterday 18:14

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 15:46

But the state pension ages were announced as far back as 1995, so those retiring 2010 onwards had 15+ years to "prepare", yet they still claim it's not long enough.

And yes, I appreciate there is a small number of them who were badly hit by the short notice of the second change, but they were still aware of the first, bigger, more impact, change.

But isn't that the point, even if only a small number were told directly too late to make reasonable arrangements, isn't that unfair? Do we have a duty to watch the news and political debates or is it reasonable to expect to be told directly that something major is happening with YOUR financial affairs?

I have to be honest, I am in two minds about this and I have looked back at the facts and arguments and I think I agree with the Ombudsman that a small amount of compensation needs to be paid.

My understanding is that Women born in the 1950s were affected by two major changes to the State Pension Age (1995 and 2011 Acts). The age rose from 60 → 65 → 66, and the timetable was accelerated.

WASPI Women’s Argument is that they weren’t properly informed, some only found out in their late 50s by direct notice that their pension age had risen from 60 to 66 which was very late. The 1995 Pensions Act (original plan) said that the Women’s State Pension Age (SPA) was to rise from 60 → 65, that it would be phased in slowly between 2010 and 2020 so women would have 15 years notice.

But then the 2011 Pensions Act (acceleration) appeared and the coalition government sped up the timetable so that Women’s SPA increased faster than originally planned and that many women born 1953-1954 saw their pension age jump by up to 18 months extra on top of the 1995 changes so the the final SPA for women became 66, not 65.

They had not seen the press and political discussions about this or it had not registered as applying to them. And the government sped up the plan Many women born in the 1950s only received a letter between 2009 and 2013, some received no letter at all.

Some discovered the change just 1–2 years before they expected to retire at 60.Therefore the they couldn’t plan because with little notice, they couldn’t adjust savings, work plans, or retirement timing. Some had already left jobs or made irreversible decisions.

The Ombudsman found maladministration in DWP communication.

They are not arguing for a return to age 60. Their issue is how the changes were handled. They claim the impact was severe, financial hardship, debt, loss of homes, inability to care for family, health issues from working longer. So they want fair compensation, not full pension back‑pay. They want compensation for distress, financial loss, and lost opportunities caused by poor communication.

The counter argument is that the changes were announced long in advance, the 1995 Act gave 15 years’ notice before the first woman was affected. Critics argue the information was public and widely reported. The DWP did eventually send letters between 2009–2013. They argue “late” is not the same as “not told”. They state compensation would be costly, paying millions of women could cost billions and critics say this would strain public finances or require cuts elsewhere. They also counter that equalisation was necessary because women live longer on average and that keeping the pension age at 60 would be financially unsustainable.

They state that not all women were unaware and planned accordingly. Critics argue it’s unfair to compensate some when others made sacrifices.

Ombudsman’s recommended compensation was a modest level 4 which is £1,000–£2,950 each. Critics say WASPI’s preferred levels go far beyond this.

They state individuals also have responsibility, some say people should track pension rules themselves and not have reliance on personal letters.

milveycrohn · Today 11:24

@Badbadbunny
As a waspi woman affected by the changes, but not affected as bad as some others (and I am not in any campaign, as I know there are too few votes to make a difference), I can assure you that there were several changes to women's state pension age.
1995 - womens were increased - slowly - to bring in line with men. from 60-65
2007 - state pension age raised for everyone - but it was still quite slow to 66 and then 67
2011 - the change was speeded up.
I have always kept myself informed of the changes, but still have the letter from the DWP (some apparantly did not receive any letter, but I did), which gave me just 5 years notice, that my state pension age was being put back by one year.
5 years was considered not long enough when it came to changes in MPs pensions, which is the hypocritical nature of MPs.
I was lucky my DSIL, just 6 months younger than me, was put back by 2 years.

MrsPeterHarris · Today 11:42

milveycrohn · Today 11:24

@Badbadbunny
As a waspi woman affected by the changes, but not affected as bad as some others (and I am not in any campaign, as I know there are too few votes to make a difference), I can assure you that there were several changes to women's state pension age.
1995 - womens were increased - slowly - to bring in line with men. from 60-65
2007 - state pension age raised for everyone - but it was still quite slow to 66 and then 67
2011 - the change was speeded up.
I have always kept myself informed of the changes, but still have the letter from the DWP (some apparantly did not receive any letter, but I did), which gave me just 5 years notice, that my state pension age was being put back by one year.
5 years was considered not long enough when it came to changes in MPs pensions, which is the hypocritical nature of MPs.
I was lucky my DSIL, just 6 months younger than me, was put back by 2 years.

That’s the same with my mum, missing out as compared to her sister - I think how the whole thing has been handled has been shocking & surprise surprise it’s women who are shafted & other women seem ok with this (& like you say, the hypocrisy as compared to MPs is particularly galling).

My mum never received a letter and has been pretty badly affected in her retirement when she finally got to retirement age of 67. Now, aged 71, she still works every weekend in Sainsbury’s to make sure she has enough money to live & is grateful that she still has her health to be able to do so. That said, it takes her until Wednesday to recover from working the weekend, so the quality of life is all debatable.

Everyone gleefully racing to the bottom staggers me.

Shwish · Today 14:26

MrsPeterHarris · Today 11:42

That’s the same with my mum, missing out as compared to her sister - I think how the whole thing has been handled has been shocking & surprise surprise it’s women who are shafted & other women seem ok with this (& like you say, the hypocrisy as compared to MPs is particularly galling).

My mum never received a letter and has been pretty badly affected in her retirement when she finally got to retirement age of 67. Now, aged 71, she still works every weekend in Sainsbury’s to make sure she has enough money to live & is grateful that she still has her health to be able to do so. That said, it takes her until Wednesday to recover from working the weekend, so the quality of life is all debatable.

Everyone gleefully racing to the bottom staggers me.

Honestly I font think its abiut 'racing to the bottom' if the waspi womens compensation was being paid for by taxing anyone with wealth over say £10mln a one off tax id be fine with that. It wouldnt be though would it? It would come from general taxation which is paid for by people who are getting LESS generous conditions themselves and are already struggling and there are a load more pressing things we need to pay for as a country.

Badbadbunny · Today 14:57

Shwish · Today 14:26

Honestly I font think its abiut 'racing to the bottom' if the waspi womens compensation was being paid for by taxing anyone with wealth over say £10mln a one off tax id be fine with that. It wouldnt be though would it? It would come from general taxation which is paid for by people who are getting LESS generous conditions themselves and are already struggling and there are a load more pressing things we need to pay for as a country.

Nail on the head. It would be paid for by mostly younger workers who'll not get the state pension at such an early age as the most affected waspi women.

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