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Teachers : what's the worst thing about the job now?

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Floursacktabletop · 22/02/2025 20:31

I've name changed , but been here many years and teaching for 22 years.
Dreading going back on Monday. For me , the worst bit is the increasingly poor behaviour of students and the continual parental complaints and allegations.
Anyone else dreading it and fancy a solidarity thread?

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Superhansrantowindsor · 23/02/2025 15:50

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How would that work though?

OutandAboutMum1821 · 23/02/2025 15:53

Unpaidviewer · 23/02/2025 11:45

Ive had a catch up on this thread and I am saddened to read about all of your experiences.

What would you suggest for parents? I think I'm reasonable, I am trying to parent well and create boundaries, I am willing to work with teachers etc. But it sounds like this a lost battle. I don't want my child to miss out on an education due to lack of funding and resources, or to end up getting hurt due to violence. Do we look at private schools, home schooling, tutors...?

Hi,

I would suggest for state school, personally meeting the Head and finding one who is a strong leader with a backbone, who has a clear behaviour policy which is enforced. I am currently happy with our local primary school, as it is far stricter than most, and as a result children rise to those expectations and behave well (I have checked this with my one eyes as a school governor who regularly reads with children for my own peace of mind due to my own experiences teaching). I really believe children behave well here thanks to such strong leadership and consistency among staff on behaviour.

I am very worried about secondary school, our feeder one is awful and it’s almost impossible to get into other over-subscribed local ones, and would opt for private in a heartbeat if I could afford it. I wouldn’t rule out home educating if I needed to, but would personally find this again more challenging for secondary, as I’m Early Years trained.

Good luck and I hope you find safe schools for your children.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/02/2025 15:54

🙄 The poster was talking (poorly-spelled) bullshit. And yes, teachers have thought of retraining for another job. They are leaving in their tens of thousands and the government is missing its targets for recruiting trainees again and again, so there aren't nearly enough people to replace them. But yes, let's all put our fingers in our ears, pretend it's just teachers 'moning' and that nothing is wrong in schools. After all, when teachers quit and go and do jobs in the 'real world', they all realise how cushy teaching was and they go right back to it, right? Oh, hang on...

Edited to point out this is a reply to Nothatgingerpirate.

Nothatgingerpirate · 23/02/2025 15:55

Superhansrantowindsor · 23/02/2025 15:50

How would that work though?

I think we are leaning towards that situation.
Pupils at home, on screens, with AI explaining/demonstrating a subject.
Obviously wouldn't work for PE (or it might even) or these overrated school trips, but in the future it might be the case.
Human beings will become redundant from this particular job.
If it's so horrible, why not stack supermarket shelves?!

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/02/2025 15:56

Nothatgingerpirate · 23/02/2025 15:55

I think we are leaning towards that situation.
Pupils at home, on screens, with AI explaining/demonstrating a subject.
Obviously wouldn't work for PE (or it might even) or these overrated school trips, but in the future it might be the case.
Human beings will become redundant from this particular job.
If it's so horrible, why not stack supermarket shelves?!

Yes, just stick kids unsupervised in front of a screen all day. Great idea.

RainbowColouredRainbows · 23/02/2025 16:04

SiobahnRoy · 22/02/2025 20:36

30 years in, early retirement this summer.
Behaviour
Increasing workload
Increasing parental interference
Second GCSE spec change in 8 years
GCSE spec unfit for purpose (both of them)
Unrealistic expectations of new teachers
I’m out

I think we might teach the same subject...

I don't want to go back tomorrow. I used to look forward to going back after holidays and hearing all the stories my form had from over the holidays, but I am just dreading it. We have no money to fund the new spec changes so I am creating everything from scratch. SLT have so many unsustainable demands that take up hours of my time, that means all my weekends are given up creating these resources from scratch. I don't feel valued by parents and more and more time is spent sorting out petty issues from teenagers that really just need their heads knocking together. The behaviour is poor with the level of violence increasing. We are in a supposedly nice part of the city but police cars are now on patrol outside the gates with armoured vehicles parked outside because of the number of weapons being brought into school.

I'm 10 years in but I want out, I just have no idea what to do next.

Queenager · 23/02/2025 16:05

grafittiartist · 23/02/2025 10:21

The scrunching sound of water bottles.
The sound of metal water bottles falling on the floor.
Water bottles generally.

And the constant toilet trips because of all the water consumption!

ThriveAT · 23/02/2025 16:06

Nothatgingerpirate · 23/02/2025 15:55

I think we are leaning towards that situation.
Pupils at home, on screens, with AI explaining/demonstrating a subject.
Obviously wouldn't work for PE (or it might even) or these overrated school trips, but in the future it might be the case.
Human beings will become redundant from this particular job.
If it's so horrible, why not stack supermarket shelves?!

Yeah, we all know how brilliantly learning from a screen worked during lockdown.

SomersetBrie · 23/02/2025 16:18

Nothatgingerpirate · 23/02/2025 15:55

I think we are leaning towards that situation.
Pupils at home, on screens, with AI explaining/demonstrating a subject.
Obviously wouldn't work for PE (or it might even) or these overrated school trips, but in the future it might be the case.
Human beings will become redundant from this particular job.
If it's so horrible, why not stack supermarket shelves?!

From what age would you have them at home?
How would you deal with the children who simply did not switch on their computers?

DoorToNowhere · 23/02/2025 16:21

Nothatgingerpirate · 23/02/2025 15:55

I think we are leaning towards that situation.
Pupils at home, on screens, with AI explaining/demonstrating a subject.
Obviously wouldn't work for PE (or it might even) or these overrated school trips, but in the future it might be the case.
Human beings will become redundant from this particular job.
If it's so horrible, why not stack supermarket shelves?!

Ah yes, more screens, that'll help behaviour 🙄

IDoWhateverItTakes · 23/02/2025 16:26

GretchenWienersHair · 23/02/2025 14:12

I’m a teacher too. I do get it. I just don’t think parents’ unwillingness to contribute towards trips is at the top of the list of issues we’re facing right now. There are far more pressing concerns and a part of the problem is the pressure that everyone is under to find the money to simply survive.

I would agree with entirely if a lot of those same parents (and their children) didn't complain we didn't take them anywhere....

FrippEnos · 23/02/2025 16:31

Nothatgingerpirate

The poster is right, and entitled to their opinion,

Yes they are entitled to an opinion, however stupid it is.

without your rudeness.
Are you a teacher? I wouldn't be surprised.

Part of the problem is that people/posters seem to think that they should be able to post any BS and teachers should just take it. But its strange that those same posters go on about the "real world" and hate it when people .pull them up on their shit because its rude. Do you (general) want the real world or not?

Anyway, give it ten or so years and the moaning teachers will be replaced by AI. Cannot wait for it.

If it ever happens it does make you wonder who the parents will blame for their children failing due to poor behaviour.

Oh, and teachers, have you heard of retraining for a different job?

We are in a recruitment and retention crisis. so yes many of us have heard of it and are doing so. Its why your kids have so many untrained people in front of them.

PinkGrapefuit · 23/02/2025 16:40

converseandjeans · 23/02/2025 10:24

@PinkGrapefuit

There have been strikes but the general public don't generally support them as it's inconvenient. They get cross that they get fined if they take their children out for a holiday abroad & don't think it's fair that school is then closed.

There is a retention crisis. Lots of older staff are staying put but the younger generation are just leaving after a few years and going into other jobs.

I think most people see strikes as being about pay, so make it clear it's about health and safety, working conditions etc, support or not, no point just complaining and not taking action.
Hopefully when recruitment becomes too difficult something will be done, for everyone's sake.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/02/2025 16:46

PinkGrapefuit · 23/02/2025 16:40

I think most people see strikes as being about pay, so make it clear it's about health and safety, working conditions etc, support or not, no point just complaining and not taking action.
Hopefully when recruitment becomes too difficult something will be done, for everyone's sake.

I'm afraid people don't believe teachers when they talk about the problems in schools and how awful the job has become. They just think we are moaning about nothing. And strikes are inconvenient because school = childcare.

Playmobil4Eva · 23/02/2025 16:48

I would love to leave but unfortunately taking a £20,000 pay cut isn’t realistic.

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2025 16:49

National strikes have to be about something affecting all teacher members so that’s why it’s normally about pay or pensions. You can’t have a national strike about working conditions that vary between schools. Individual schools have gone on strike about poor behaviour in those schools (and I think across a MAT too, if the behaviour policy is the same for all).

ProudCat · 23/02/2025 16:51

I think (at least for secondary) it's all down to the mag lock. The buggers can't get out. And they don't consent to be there. At what point did it become a teacher's responsibility to police whole communities? Criminal age of responsibility in England is 10. Open the gates and let the cops deal with it.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 23/02/2025 16:59

PinkGrapefuit · 23/02/2025 16:40

I think most people see strikes as being about pay, so make it clear it's about health and safety, working conditions etc, support or not, no point just complaining and not taking action.
Hopefully when recruitment becomes too difficult something will be done, for everyone's sake.

Parents don’t care why the strike is happening. They just care that they’re being inconvenienced. They’re not going to suddenly be tolerant of being inconvenienced because the reason is different.

You only have to go on MN to see that they also don’t believe teachers who discuss their experiences.

Nothing will change until there are no teachers left, at which point parents will start screaming about not being warned about the issues.

MrsMurphyIWish · 23/02/2025 17:05

As a parent to a “gifted and talented” child and a child with an EHCP for autism, I do NOT want them taught by AI. i want human connection - the slight glance, the wink, the tap on their work where they could improve.

Foostit · 23/02/2025 17:05

@Nothatgingerpirate

Comprehension clearly isn’t your strong point is it? 🙄

‘The poster is right, and entitled to their opinion, without your rudeness.’

The poster was talking badly spelled and uninformed bollocks. I find that rude. I also find it rude to attack an entire profession and try to tell them to stop moaning without having a clue what their job actually involves.

‘Are you a teacher? I wouldn't be surprised.’

Again, see my above point about comprehension. Yes as it happens, I taught for 20 years so know what I’m talking about. Also you being rude here! That’s right, all teachers are awful! 🙄

‘Anyway, give it ten or so years and the moaning teachers will be replaced by AI. Cannot wait for it.’

Eh? Just how is that going to work? If real fully trained humans can’t manage the behaviour of poorly behaved kids then how exactly is AI going to do that? Or do you envisage unqualified people are going to crowd control while perfectly well behaved kids sit there listening to AI learning? Will this be done at home where parents will be responsible for supervising their ‘AI taught’ children?

‘Oh, and teachers, have you heard of retraining for a different job?’

Again, see my above point about comprehension. Also the news about the recruitment and retention crisis (not exactly a secret) as well as the many comments on here from teachers who have left or who are actively planning to leave.

SocialMeeds · 23/02/2025 17:06

I left two years ago after twenty years as a secondary school teacher. I left because I was burnt out, anxiety at its worst and I wanted to be more present for my own two children. Do I miss it? Yeah I miss the kids and the buzz of teaching my subject which is a major passion of mine. But I don’t miss the constant anxiety, the constant scrutiny and the absolute poor behaviour of the kids. It is soul destroying to put all your efforts into preparing lessons day after day, week after week for them to be torn up by constant low level disruption. I’m not talking about major behavioural issues although of course that did happen. But the constant, drip drip of having no equipment, chewing gum, rocking on chairs, phone out, AirPods in, talking over me, shouting out, no pen again cos the one I lent to them has been chewed and broke up, water bottles being messed with, water everywhere, can I go to the toilet, can I use my exit pass, can I see Miss so and so, can I go and get a drink, rinse and repeat. The behaviour system was three strikes and they leave. So that’s what I did. The usual offenders would be gone every lesson and repeat the same thing every lesson in that day causing the same problem with me then with their Maths teacher, then in PE, then in geography. Then at the end of the day we had to have a chat titled ‘restorative justice’ otherwise known as bullshit about them not doing it all again, for them to, wait for it, turn up to the next lesson and do it all over again. There are no sanctions that kids give a shit about anymore. Staying at home for most is a holiday and if not, they can just stroll the streets looking for trouble out there. One lesson about five years ago, a Year 10 lad had stolen a pen knife from the technology rooms. Was flashing it about in my lesson refusing to hand it over. I called SLT for support. We eventually managed to get him to relinquish the knife. Consequence? Day in school isolation then back to normal the day after that. Another kid caught dealing cannabis. Same punishment. Another kid who had the wrong shoes on, same punishment. We are doing these kids no favours by molly coddling them with snowflake consequences. Then in amongst all this chaos is social media, cost of living, poverty, gender questioning children, kids with SEND and NO support from external agencies cos they are saturated. Leaving it down to schools to be front line support.

I miss the classroom and the kids despite the chaos but I value my wellbeing more. I’d picked my tree and was close to driving into it. I fell out of love with the job and had no more shits or patience to give. The retention and recruitment crisis is massive and it’s going to take generations of change to fix that not just Bridget shuffling a few papers about.

Pyjamatimenow · 23/02/2025 17:07

Behaviour

converseandjeans · 23/02/2025 17:15

@PinkGrapefuit

I think most people see strikes as being about pay, so make it clear it's about health and safety, working conditions etc, support or not, no point just complaining and not taking action

I think it was mentioned on here regularly that it was about lack of funding in the profession which was affecting students. So not especially teacher pay but things like poor quality of buildings, lack of resources, not enough TA support for SEN children, but also the low starting salary meaning lack of recruitment of younger staff.

I don't think most teachers are in it for the amazing salary. For me it was the variety of the working day as I found office admin dull. The holidays are a perk but that wasn't my initial reason for going into teaching.

Younger staff aren't really staying in the job so I think my own children will be ok as they are teenagers now, but once Gen X are retired I'm not sure what will happen 😉

Foostit · 23/02/2025 17:16

@Nothatgingerpirate

I think we are leaning towards that situation.
Pupils at home, on screens, with AI explaining/demonstrating a subject.
Obviously wouldn't work for PE (or it might even) or these overrated school trips, but in the future it might be the case.
Human beings will become redundant from this particular job.
If it's so horrible, why not stack supermarket shelves?!

Oh so this is how you think it will work?
That worked so well during Covid didn’t it? 😂
Are you suggesting that parents will have to give up work then? That will be popular!
Have you forgotten about the impact online learning had during Covid? The vast amounts of money spent helping kids catch up, the dumbing down of exams for 2 years afterwards to make sure grades weren’t far lower than in previous years?
Plus I’ve never seen so many students struggle to socialise after what was only really a disrupted year of learning and no interaction with peers! What will this mean for employment prospects and society as a whole?
Oh and many of us are taking lower paid jobs because IT is so horrible! I’ve taken a 20K paycut! That’s how bloody awful teaching is!

Foostit · 23/02/2025 17:18

@SocialMeeds
So well said, really sorry that it got to that point for you but glad you escaped.

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