Romanian dog rescue

[Preciousmemory]

I am in an awful situation that I can find no solution to. Please if any one could give me some advice.
i have rescued a Romanian dog which has turned out so badly.
He arrived 10 days ago and has serious problems I am not able to deal with so am asking if anyone can offer me advice.
The rescue have a policy that I must give him back to be rehomed but are not able to find anyone although it is a short time they are describing him on the advert as a dog that loves humans and children and dogs. A huge part of this is not right I have not tested him with a child but as for people he definitely does not like them , only me.
He attacks my husband in the morning, in the evening when he returns home from work and then randomly at any other time. The attacks are getting progressively worse. But yesterday he met my 80 year old tiny dad for the first time which I had also for the first time put a muzzle on him after 7 days of training with it.
The attack was so ferocious on my dad that he was foaming at the mouth leaping as high as his shoulders to grab him but because he was muzzled there was no damage. my dad immediately left. I despair to think what may have happened otherwise. My daughter turned up shortly after the same thing happened. I was thinking he maybe afraid of men but it seems not.
I have constantly tried to work with the Romanian Rescue which could take months for them to find a suitable home, the only option I have from them is to stick this traumatised dog into a kennel which will cause further damage to him, but I am not able to keep him in my home with this level of aggression.
Dog rescues are full up. I have contacted a few that specifically deal with dog aggression. I do not see how this poor dog can just be homed in a normal family environment as this will happen again. He is a large growing powerful dog that could cause serious damage to a person.
Thank you for reading , this is such an anxious problem that I see no solution to.
I am grateful for any advice possible .

I believe, having seen a family member 'rescue' a Romanian dog that they are no better than puppy farming. The dog that was supposed to be nervous but safe was handed over to her sedated. It has bit many family members. The rescue hands money over to people in Romania that send them dogs. It seems clear to me that this is a business and the dogs are being bred and abused in order to send over to the UK. People should rescue from the UK. If this is not possible, buy a carefully bred puppy. We don't need more dangerous dogs sending over here.

It's so lucrative for these ''charities'' to import dogs to sell here , and spay and neuter will cost them- but it needs doing.

In Lockdown there were SO many Romanian dogs around- one tore in to an innocent dog because it's owner let it off the lead
The owner said the usual 'She's a rescyooooooooo . From Romania''

As an excuse.

A dog being a ''Rescyoo'' is no excuse for another dog, cat or human being hurt or worse.

Muzzle the bloody thing!

A lot were called ''Roamy'' - all but one had disappeared locally, and that is never let off its lead as it's dog aggressive.

A few months ago I read a thread on here where someone called the police when their pet attacked their child and the police came and removed the dog and then had him euthanised , so you could always try doing that @Preciousmemory if you are concerned about come back from the rescue , especially as you have his attacks on video and he’s likely to go for the police as well . Poor dog has been really failed by this rescue .

One of the school parents got one like you said during Covid and it’s was a bonkers. Looked quite like a small atika cross of some sort. Constant dragging the owner couldn’t be near any of the other dogs.

Again it’s a rescue 🙄

I think all imports of animals unless for exceptional circumstances and I mean bettering breeds should only be allowed to move country if they are already the family that’s moving pet with proof you’ve owned it more than a few months before suddenly bringing it across, already neutered and temperament tested.

I also as sad as it is think many more dogs in rescues that are sat waiting for years would be better off being pts rather than sitting for 5 years in a cage.

Responsible owners don’t just want any ole dog they want/need one which fits their live find that in a rescue with the whole list of rules is often like a needle and haystack job.

It's human aggressive.
You have been conned into buying a dangerous dog.

It's behaviour is so typical- 'calm' initially while everything is new, then after a few weeks, it will start to ''flex'' and biting is the usual way.

They sometimes are ok with one member of the family, but bite the other householders, or visitors {according to vet}.

One woman experienced with dogs took one on, and it attacked her in her Kitchen after a couple of weeks.
The dog was taken to the vets to be euthanised as like you the ''rescue'' wouldn't take it back.

These are often quite big dogs, a herding type mix, but even an ''ankle biter'' can do damage.

Agree.

My in-laws rescued a Romanian female dog, so far she's attacked (unsuccessfully thank goodness) my daughter twice & a few other members of the family... she drew blood with me because I walked past her while she was eating.

I would happily have her put to sleep, she's not safe but in laws won't.

I'm due to have a baby soon & very anxious at the thought of my newborn being in the same house. Safe to say she won't be.. as much as they say she wouldn't be left alone, I don't trust it one bit.

Many of the dogs in Romania looking for homes are strays that have been rounded up. Dogs that grow up as strays are not socialised in the same way as properly domestic dogs. They may not be able to handle being cooped up!

There are also issues with them bringing brucellosis into the country which will start to spread amongst our own dog population.

If people adopt a dog from abroad they have to be very very sure of the vetting, vaccination and certification process in that country.

I don't know enough about Romania to know how thorough /corruption proof that process there is but I assume you checked all that out.

I don't think this dog has any future, if the shelter take it they could fob it off on another family. What would the shelter actually do if you did that? If you have it PTS with a vets report that it was dangerous surely they can't sue you for that?

I think I know the one you mean.

The untruths told are well known.

''Cat friendly!'' {when they have then gone for cats in a home}

''Good boy/girl'' is tagged onto every one!

The ''rescue'' who conned you can of course tell a load of nonsense about the dogs they are selling

''Lyssa is a friendly girl who can live with children and cats'' {typical listing}

When Lyssa lives up to her name and starts to bite people in the home {when Lyssa has probably not lived in a domestic house before} the ''rescue'' can then blame YOU.

''Give Lyssa a high value treat!
Lyssa is trying to decompress and is human selective''

^^

Romanian (street dog) round em up, bring to England, charge 500£ for adoption.

Our local one imports dogs from Roumania.

I assume someone makes money from it.

There are so many good, gentle dogs looking for homes {Many Greyhounds are gentle and mellow} and an aggressive dog is a liability- why would anyone want to take one on?

It costs a lot to keep a dog well {insurance, good food, parasite treatments} and it costs far LESS if one owns a sweet natured loving dog than an aggressive one if one factors in professional training.

Even if you were able to pay the £700 a week for 6 weeks, the dog would probably still revert to being aggressive when it got back to a family situation.

This dog is not safe.

Good advice as usual from @WiddlinDiddlin .
@Preciousmemory Widdlin really does know what she is talking about with dogs, I've read her dog advice on here for years. 👍

@Preciousmemory There used to be a small Romanian rescue who sold via Facebook - They used to regularly get ''bouncebacks'' and the adopter would indeed as Widdlin says get badmouthed.

''Lyssa has been returned for no fault of her own, 😢😢😢😢 because she chewed a cushion- 🤬🤬🤬 Don't worry, Lyssa, we still love you..

Lyssa is available for adoption now £400''

{as it was then}

In reality Lyssa probably bit people and killed the cat.

Just come off Facebook and instagram if they try to berate you and guilt trip you {which they absolutely will try to do}

Why not rehome a greyhound? A great charity exists for them. Other dog breeds have dedicated rehoming projects. There are many more options than a dangerous dog from Romania.

These Rescued Greys were fundraising for the local Greyhound charity - they are often out and about, and very gentle, well behaved dogs.
The trainers know which ones will make good ''homers''- ambassadors for the breed as pets.

Behavioural euthanasia I'm afraid. Very sad, but better than a traumatised dog being passed from pillar to post and getting progressively worse. Really difficult, I know x

Greyhounds are a fantastic option. Gentle, quiet dogs. And loads in rescues waiting for homes.

I will try answer a few questions
He is 8 months old which I find hard to believe as was shown a video of him 8 weeks ago as a five month old puppy but he is almost the size of a Labrador now which if the 8 months was true he will grow to the size of an Alsatian.
Weighs around 22kgs, some people have said he is not the same dog that I was sent a video of but he definitely is.
i have learnt so much in the last week that unfortunately I was not aware of previous
it is a heart breaking situation that we can’t win from. The rescue are blaming us already for his behaviour, I know he is still compressing but as he does so the attacks are becoming worse. This is a dog I will never be able to take to a public place or ever know that my family are safe.
when asking the rescue if they had met him which they have not , they answered he was perfectly loving and happy in Romania. They have no RBU for situations like this , their answer is on our contract that I signed it clearly states that I must house and keep the rescue safe until alternative arrangements can be made or only other option put him into a kennel which would make him even worse . All over their websites and social media is the rescue back up but there is not any for situations like this.
I had started to contact all large rescues quickly finding out that he will not be taken due to aggression. Went down the route of small rescues including a rescue I have known for 30 years that have helped in many other situations I have come across including a horse abandoned by travellers that was due to have a baby. This was all dealt with the horse would have died if the rescue had not intervened because of how her birth went. They can’t help either and said they are mopping up all the mess of the so called rescue charities that are infact Uk dog importers.
Rescues are bursting with no spaces and with waiting lists. I thought that he could be assessed over a long period but this is not going to happen.
i have looked at rehabilitation. I have spoken to professional people. I have read every single comment here with so much good advice.

I feel when I have come to the end of this, I need to explain to people my experience of oversea rescue. Not to put people off as there is so many good endings but to make people aware of what they need to look out for. I did not do my due diligence but I hope my experience will help others not go through what we have. No one deserves to be put through this most of all the dogs . If he was happy and loving in Romania then that’s were he should have stayed but he was just worth £500 to the rescue that’s all.

Have him pts. They aren't likely to sue with the behaviour making them liable for some very difficult publicity.

You may not have done your due diligence, but that responsibility is also on the rescue organisation. Don’t beat yourself up. This is on them.

I think either way this dog will end up being euthanised unfortunately, I'd be making a vets appointment now.

I do really appreciate this is not how you wanted the rescue to end up but I will say whatever is on their contract should be trumped by UK law on dangerous dogs act. If I am looking at the right charity in companies house they are essentially a middle man between Romania and Greece kennels (they do not have kennels), and they have a network of foster carers in the UK. This explains why they do not know the dog.

I would raise this with the police for their advice though (and let the charity know that you are doing so). I honesty do not think the charity has a leg to stand on here.

Thank you so much for this advice.
i have spoken to the Police a few days ago. It isn’t a Police matter unless someone is seriously injured. They could not give me any advice as such only that the contract would stand nowhere as they have breached their side of it.
you are completely right I am not equipped to deal with this situation despite already having an aggressive dog 20 years ago which I was able to deal with fortunately until her days were over. But this is so much different especially with attacks from behind.
my husband has been the one feeding him whenever possible and also giving treats. We have tried so many different things from knowledge and from advice . It is the worst situation we are in right now.
When I speak to so many people on the phone sometimes just hearing a kind voice sets me off crying. Really am struggling to cope