Would you pay more tax to boost defence spending

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Obviously we are now in a more precarious position & defence spending has been underfunded for some time. RR had just said we need to spend more money & she will but without breaking her fiscal rules,

"So we will stick to our fiscal rules. But recognising the priority of defence spending in the world that we live in today means that we will have to make difficult choices so that we can spend that money that is needed to keep our country safe."

Mulling it over & even though I think I pay enough tax I would pay more each month towards this (cut back in other areas) as opposed to labour cutting back on something else. I guess thinking about my dc & other loved ones has changed my mind somewhat now things appear more bleak. What do others think?
Conscription of young people terrifies me even though my dc are too young.

Ditto

change not check

Bluntly, we dont need good relations with poor countries that can't help us.

I'm not against foreign aid btw, I just make the above point to rebuke your arguement.

No, I don't want to spend more on defence. Like someone above said, tax the big corporations. Mars, Starbucks, LOreal etc can pay more. They're making money off UK citizens, all it costs them is a profit margin. Taxing uk citizens more is forcing people to make horrible choices.

That's the point. Individuals saying they would happily pay more tax need to put their money where their mouth is.
It is easy to say "I will pay more tax happily" because it doesn't get tested. If these people truly are happy then they need to walk the walk. Talk is cheap

@twistyizzy so I should make an overpayment today in anticipation of RRs future economic planning?

It's the same thing tbh. Work out how much an extra 1% would be and pay it. Of course it's not "spare" cash but that's what you want others to do so you need to walk the walk yourself.

saying they would happily pay more

You are not talking about me then.

No, you should make an overpayment because you think everyone should be taxed extra to fund defence. Put your money where your mouth is and lead by example.

The problem with that statistic is that 68% of NATO military spending is by the U.S. That's going to be reduced as the U.S. shifts spending to the Pacific to deter China. The U.S. is done with European free riding in NATO.

Yes. But I'd expect cuts in other areas too.

I think tariffs are the answer 🤔 😏

ridiculous comment

@twistyizzy I think you are misunderstanding. Read the OP. RR hasn't even said if taxes would be raised just that defence spending would increase. If you asked me days ago about more tax I would have said absolutely not but in the context of war/my dc I would go without. I am not expecting others to do the same hence why I asked the question. I do think if the burden was spread very wide it would be less painful.

No, we've tons of weapons

Like 8 times enough to kill everyone on the planet or something

No need to pay more tax, just divert the money from green initiatives, most of which are hogwash, to defence.

What we going to do - kill them again

(One of the best Sean Connery lines ever - in the film 'the Rock')

No, you should make an overpayment because you think everyone should be taxed extra to fund defence

The lack of comprehension is really starting to ruin debates on MNs.

Put your money where your mouth is and lead by example.

Right, I'll send a tenner over tmw, how do I spread the word & persuade others to follow my lead?

So how do you think we get to raise the defence spending? RR has the choice of raising taxes or cutting spending ie austerity. She has backed herself into a corner, the economy is fucked and we haven't got the spare cash to raise defence spending.

Tax rises only with spending cuts and reform of working practices. We will all be in this together, public and private sector.

Tax things that can't just leave the UK. Eg companies that sell here taking advantage of our large market, but aren't based here.

@twistyizzy have you read my OP? 😆 What do you think she should do?

I’ll walk the walk when there are enough of us to make a difference. Your argument is facile.

Lack of comprehension? That lies with people who believe we can keep chucking money at things.
We simply don't have enough people who are contributing to the income tax receipt to pay for everything we claim to want and people don't want to pay more tax.
We actually need proper grown up conversations about what we are prepared to pay for and what we aren't. At the moment we just rob Peter to pay Paul and it isn't sustainable. At some point we have to accept what we are prepared to take out of public services.

Get the single young male illegal immigrants busy if they are.able rather than sitting in hotels waiting for months twiddling their thumbs. They want to come to this country and the ultimate test is if they will fight for what they have paid so much to come to.

people don't want to pay more tax.

Some people. I’ll happily pay more as long as everyone else does too.

@twistyizzy so you want to cut public services. Fair enough, what would you cut?

We simply don't have enough people who are contributing to the income tax receipt to pay for everything we claim to want and people don't want to pay more tax.

I don't want to pay more tax but war slightly changes things. Who said anything about targeting income tax solely?