Why so many anti-vaxxing mums

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I have a 5 month old baby and I'm going back to work at 7.5 months and planning on pumping milk at work. I was looking for tips so I joined some Facebook groups on breastfeeding and pumping and also made an account on babycenter as it had a lot of threads on the subject. OH MY GOD. They may as well rename these groups "Batshit mums against vaccines" because the content is insane. My favourite is a mum of a preemie refusing donor milk from vaccinated mothers. Lots of others paranoid their babies have autism because they had their 8 week jabs and they noticed their babies love staring at the ceiling.

I'm aware most of these women are in the US but what the hell is going on??? It's like i stepped into a parallel universe.

Your post was deleted because it was a personal attack which is against talking guidelines.

Jheeze! There's always one who has to overtake a thread.

DD was born in 2000 during the height of the Andrew Wakefield scam.

When she started university there were several universities reporing outbreaks of mumps because a number of the students hadn't had the MMR.

They be are relying on other mothers vaccinating their kids so that their kids benefit from herd immunity.

I think in the worse case if a child ends up injured as a result of their parents choosing not to vaccinate them, they should be able to sue their parents.

The child unable to take the vaccine for the parent of a child hesitant to take it is all about perceived benefit v risk to their own child. Most of us whether we like it or not are inherently self centred.

As others have said, the covid vaccine, and indeed covid itself, became such a shit show with false and ill thought out statistics, it has very much brought to the fore people questioning health professionals.

We must also as I said before, start researching the reason behind what appears to be a massive increase in children with autism and increased educational need. If a common reason for this was shown, it would go a long way towards making those questioning vaccination less ill at ease.

It's because the did their own research, unfortunately they are too stupid to realise that Bekkkiiiii from YouTube, who had a neighbour with a cousin three times removed who died from a vaccine (hit by a Tesla that was summoned by the microchip), was not a credible source of information.

My DS was 2001, he had an mmr booster before starting uni

It's not just parents. My 89 year old dad refused his flu jab this year because he caught a cold a couple of days after his last jab and he's convinced the jab gave him the flu. I've explained until I'm blue in the face but he won't budge. I've told him I won't be visiting him if he catches flu

The increase in autism diagnoses is just maths, combined with the fact that - for the first time in history - the modern world places value on the natural skillsets of a lot of autistic people (pattern recognition and work that can be done in isolation, among other things), which means we're no longer outcasts. No longer being outcasts, and having financial advantages, means that we get to participate in the gene pool far more than in eras gone by.

I know this, because there's documentary evidence of 7 generations of autistic folk in my family, and the ones that presented like me? Completely shunned by society, not allowed an education, and shut away for the embarrassment of their existence. In years gone by, I would've been the village idiot; in the modern world, I have an IQ of 158 and I'm incredibly successful in my field.

We autistics also tend to flock together.

Combine those two things, and the result is making more autistic people than ever before.

Then you have the fact that, because there's massively decreased stigma and more accommodation in society for autistic folk, all of us autistic oldies are seeking an explanation for the struggles we've always had.

Presto! More autistics. Nothing to do with vaccines.

The problem is that, because the general public is proud of the fact that they understand nothing about maths beyond primary school, when everybody knows someone who's diagnosed autistic, they think it's far more prevalent than it actually is. That's distortion of perception versus statistics and probability; one requires knowledge to understand, the other is a hand-wave away.

SM/YT is to blame. The world has got stupider.

I disagree, If young today I would likely have been diagnosed as having aspergers. I believe there were still a lot of people somewhere on the autistic spectrum within schooling, even 30 or 40 years ago. Some with the specific skill sets you describe, such as fantastic maths skills.

But there was in no way the numbers within schools with the low level of communication skills, needs where additional learning support is required, needs with personal care etc.

Now it may be that many like this were hidden away and kept at home or whatever. If so showing these statistics may help allay fears.

I don't know how old you are, @ARealitycheck, but I'm in my 60s. When I was at primary school back in the 1960s I remember a few children in the class in infants and the first year of juniors who were clearly unable to learn at the pace of the rest of us. One of them had noticeably different facial features too. Nowadays they would be classed as having learning difficulties and would be supported in the class (or not). Back then they disappeared from the school, and I have to assume they were transferred to special schools. Many children with obvious learning difficulties or neurodevelopmental disorders were placed in hospitals or institutions from early childhood, and very likely didn't live in the community as adults. It was unusual to see a child with Down Syndrome living in a family, for example. There was no tolerance of difference and the sort of disability that affected behaviour and ability to conform.

I think certainly with Downs, when I was at school in early 80's, it was definately unusual to see a child that way. Learning issues, I don't actually recall any child who would have been considered atypical by todays standards, that required intensive extra support.

Of course there were the children who were maybe up to a year behind in terms of what the rest of the class was learning. But by and large I'd estimate them to be around 1 in 90 (3 classes) and received a classroom assistant to help. Today from what teachers here seem to say, that element requiring classroom assistance seems to be several per class, so maybe 3 out of the 30. That is a massive increase.

The age of social media and the ability to spread misinformation is rife. Not being impacted by death and disability from illnesses cured by vaccines. Mistrust of the government/big pharma.

I've just watched the netflix dramatisation of Apple cider vinegar and honestly, it's baffling why so many people are taken in by influencers etc.

There is sometimes too much information these days so wading through it all feels overwhelming but for goodness sake, vaccines are overwhelmingly safe. I've said before on here, I know someone who was vaccine injured as a teen but I still chose to vaccinate my children as I know the benefit outweighs the miniscule risk.

Absolutely recommend and agree

@ThejoyofNC

I would like to ask

Are you anti medical intervention full stop.

Are you anti antibiotics, hospital treatment for children.

Do you think that should be provided on nhs if vaccines not taken.

Do you agree with the no vaccine no school theory.

As a qualified doctor I would never vaccinate my children.

I know a few anti vaxxers, all of the children between all the couples are all autistic, all of them. Would it be then sensible to then say that 100% of the antivax children I know are autistic as a result of not receiving their vaccines.

Again, my sister had eye problems from measles

I had whooping cough as a toddler. Don’t really remember it, but I do remember quite clearly having a chest X-Ray at about 3 to assess any damage. Thankfully I’m fine.

Doctor of what, and why wouldn't you?

@Jesusisking23 same questions to you

I grew up in a small place where everyone new each other and I remember several people who today would probably be diagnosed with autism who just didn't go to school and stayed at home with parents.
My personal opinion is that the reason for so many children with metal health problems is because we put too much pressure on them at too early an age and continue to do so all through school. In the 80s if you failed your O levels you retook in November, fail your gcses now and your whole future is derailed.

Exactly. I'm 47, and I can clearly remember six other children from my primary school class who exhibited very similar behaviour to me. By the second year, I'd learned some of the rules of the game and figured out how to mask; four out of the seven of us didn't, and disappeared before the end of the second year. Their parents hadn't moved, they just...went somewhere else. Nobody I know ever heard from them again.

The other two have also been diagnosed autistic in the last five years. They also still live in the area (as do I), because...well, change is scary.

And that's it?

That's all you've got?