Why so many anti-vaxxing mums

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I have a 5 month old baby and I'm going back to work at 7.5 months and planning on pumping milk at work. I was looking for tips so I joined some Facebook groups on breastfeeding and pumping and also made an account on babycenter as it had a lot of threads on the subject. OH MY GOD. They may as well rename these groups "Batshit mums against vaccines" because the content is insane. My favourite is a mum of a preemie refusing donor milk from vaccinated mothers. Lots of others paranoid their babies have autism because they had their 8 week jabs and they noticed their babies love staring at the ceiling.

I'm aware most of these women are in the US but what the hell is going on??? It's like i stepped into a parallel universe.

What does it matter if you read 'a lot' then if you don't need any other evidence then? Seems a rather moot point to make...

Except that the children are not the ones making the choice not to be vaccinated.

Would it really be ethical though? Not vaccinating your children should be considered neglect imo. It would be the children who would mostly suffer and die in that experiment.

Read The Herd by Emily Edwards.

Yes they're batshit. Interesting take on both sides and I have some sympathy for people that CANT vaccinate, but I have no time for people who choose not to.

So, children must be forcibly vaccinated against their parents wishes?

It might be an interesting experiment to allow anti vaxxers to self segregate, and see what happens. These would be self selecting groups so the only ethical way of conducting such research

I'm sure there must be studies out there on Amish communities (some of which have very low vaccination rates).

Is it more ethical to force children to have vaccines against their and their parents wishes? Really

Certainly more ethical than letting them die of preventable diseases, yes.

I feel like we would have encountered such studies. Im not saying they don't exist and if indeed they don't I think we certainly should. But the problem is, what happens if the findings support the arguments of those more hesitant around vaccines? Scientists and researchers rely heavily on funding. It would be career suicide and they would struggle to find a paper to publish it.

Have we gotten to the bottom of these excess deaths in younger populations yet?

Here we go 🙄

I love how fast "my body my rules" flies out the window when it suits some. Be careful you don't contribute to the rolling back of abortion laws

We have encountered such studies - they're exactly why we vaccinate! But if you want to see what happens when typhoid, or measles or polio gets going amongst an unvaccinated population there are plenty of examples round the world every year.

I have just done some brief reading so would certainly have to do more research to consider this fully but a 2023 study suggests not:

"The probability for vaccine adherence increased in association with escalating GIS scores, with highest GIS females more likely to adhere to vaccination than same-level males"

(GIS = General Intelligence Score)

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X23009519

Here we go indeed. Quick question before I go - you're clearly very keen on vaccines. But after a few years of Trump, Musk and RFK clearing out the old left/liberal guard from the institutions - are you going to have the same level of confidence in whatever your political opponents want to inject you with?

I've used measles as the test, but with modern healthcare it isn't a particularly harmful illness for most. During the 80's before vaccination the death rate is very low. Not sure about serious complications, but again only with my personal experience, I don't recall any in my local age group.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013

I don't live in the US.

I don't doubt it's horrific. I'm not against vaccine in principal. But I am fearful of private companies who have a track record of lying.

They voted for Trump, didn't they?

I can guess your answer from the sidestep

No, but they are safer (relatively) among vaccinated children rather than experimentally segregating them.

Well you wouldn't would you, as they're protecting your children

As someone who was born in the 50s and went to school with kids in callipers and suffered through measles, mumps, CP and german measles, but luckily benefitted from vaccines for TB, whooping cough and polio, I think, quite frankly, that unless your children have contra-indications and/or health issues, you are frankly utterly stupid.

And I sincerely hope that your children don't pay the price of that

I'm just not getting involved in your conspiracy theories, sorry.

I don’t think Covid has helped with the vaccine mandates.

And America has an incredible amount of vaccinations compared to nearly anywhere else in the world. So that also probably doesn’t help if you are on US based sites.

I always remember my mum telling me of someone she knew. Was against vaccines until their child almost died of whooping cough and after that she got everything.

It's never something I understand. Unless there is a genuine medical reason your child can't have vaccines, I can't understand why you wouldn't want your child protected against these diseases!