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Council spends £8000pa on a taxi due to VAT on private schools

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 17/02/2025 08:10

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14403627/Labours-VAT-raid-teenage-girl-private-school-council-fund-8-000-taxi-bill.html

So now a place is being taken up in an overscribed school, a 15 year old has had her eduction severely disrupted and the local council has 8k less in the pot.

Well done Labour!!! One of many stories, i'm sure and so predictable.

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wonderstuff · 17/02/2025 10:03

There’s been plenty of time and warning to prepare for VAT, most schools haven’t passed on the full 20% and they’ve been putting fees up beyond inflation for years. Bad planning really on the parents part.

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Badbadbunny · 17/02/2025 10:03

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/02/2025 09:59

I have read that some local councils are now doing deals with parents where they pay the VAT cost in order to keep children in private schools as this is cheaper than paying for a state school place plus transport.

Those councils clearly have more common sense than Starmer, Reeves and Raynor. Common sense and practicality should always trump sixth form debating standard and political dogma.

TickingAlongNicely · 17/02/2025 10:04

Duckinahat · 17/02/2025 10:02

Yeh. It’s scotland where you have strict school catchments. The council have to give you a place in the catchment school when you move into catchment, and if they can’t then there’s a lot of faff justifying why not etc etc.

So you mean they don't accept Out of Catchment children in case more move into Catchment?

Duckinahat · 17/02/2025 10:06

TickingAlongNicely · 17/02/2025 10:04

So you mean they don't accept Out of Catchment children in case more move into Catchment?

Yup. I tried to get an out of catchment and there were spaces available but they weren’t able to release it to my child as they needed to keep some back in case of people moving into catchment.

Duckinahat · 17/02/2025 10:06

Duckinahat · 17/02/2025 10:06

Yup. I tried to get an out of catchment and there were spaces available but they weren’t able to release it to my child as they needed to keep some back in case of people moving into catchment.

As long as I had a catchment space that’s where their obligation ended.

Completelyjo · 17/02/2025 10:06

Ava, meanwhile, has had to drop Russian and Latin as her new school doesn’t offer them (she fears this will hamper her efforts to become a vet)
Being at state school makes her “feel bad”, she says.

😂😂😂

x2boys · 17/02/2025 10:07

WaryCrow · 17/02/2025 09:53

While you’re trying to create outrage, do you want to complain about the regular taxi costs incurred sending kids to special schools that are at a huge distance from their homes?

What about the huge fees paid for those special schools since they are all privatised, and the little they buy compared to how much the public sector are expected to pay?

What about privatisation in general, all forcing us to pay more than what the public sector are expected to provide for half the cost and resources, thus fleecing both workers and the public purse? Landlording and buy to let?

Our entire economy is fucked and this is what you want to scream about?

They are not all prvitised some are but there are four special schools, and several autism hubs in my LA that are LA schools
Obviously the overall cost of these schools are higher because of the significant needs of the children that attend them.

Burnoutforever · 17/02/2025 10:08

Completelyjo · 17/02/2025 10:06

Ava, meanwhile, has had to drop Russian and Latin as her new school doesn’t offer them (she fears this will hamper her efforts to become a vet)
Being at state school makes her “feel bad”, she says.

😂😂😂

Slightly worrying that a privately educated till recently child feels they need Latin and Russian to be a vet ?

Burnoutforever · 17/02/2025 10:09

I feel really sorry for this child. Face plastered all over the place now and comments about how she feels bad at a state school? That’s going to cause resentment and the fact her parents told her to choose move house or school ??? Poor girl

Kingsransom · 17/02/2025 10:09

I agree its just poor planning on the parents part. They knew increases were likely but chose to send DC there anyway. Parents that would rather gamble their child's education for image. And now the poor child has to travel miles for school. I'm failing to understand why they can't afford to pay for a taxi themselves though when they could seemingly afford private education. I'd imagine it's because then they couldn't earn a couple of quid from the daily mail.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/02/2025 10:09

Wordau · 17/02/2025 08:58

Could be an academy.

Academies are able to join a local authority in year admission scheme and have them handle applications in their entirety.

Looks like all the academies in that LA have chosen to do so.

Which would mean she's lying about a lot of things.

Daisyb1080 · 17/02/2025 10:09

Well up be fair she is entitled to a free school place. Not everyone at private school is rolling in it but they wanted the choice to give their child a good education. Since that has been ripped away from them it now proves what a dumb move the VAT addition is, as before everyone in private school was saving the state money. Now they are accessing what they are entitled to you get upset. I actually hate how jealous and narrow minded everyone is in the UK.

Beekeepingmum · 17/02/2025 10:09

Sdpbody · 17/02/2025 09:42

We have both said that if we have to pull our DDs out of PS, we will absolutely make the council pay for transport. We live 5 miles from the local school.

Out of spite and principle would I make the council pay. They can use the 20% VAT they now have to fund it.

This proves the point really doesn't. This is the politics of spite. Lets not pretend private school parents are doing some social good. It is all about advantage for a our children. If people don't make the cut when the drawbridge is raised a bit they get nasty.

whatawonderfultime · 17/02/2025 10:11

I think that's much better than the 1m my council spends on councillor expenses - which include councillors' personal taxis to get their weekly food shop from the supermarket no less. And no they aren't elderly or disabled.

maximalistmaximus · 17/02/2025 10:11

Kmward36 · 17/02/2025 09:58

I haven’t read this whole thread as it’s massive but I drive my daughter 23 miles one way to school 5 days a week (me or my husband). We live in rural west Wales and the small village schools closed. It’s far but more than do able and we both work full time. My husband’s job is flexible but with breakfast club and early childminder drop off for my younger child, I can still travel 72 miles to my work.

does this mean my daughter is entitled to transport?!?! No one has ever mentioned this 😂

You should apply.

But the sticking point with school transport is that it only covers the core school hours not breakfast or after school clubs.

They also don't pick up from home if there are other pupils close by so you have to drive them to the pick up point at set times twice a day. It's very rigid.

crumblingschools · 17/02/2025 10:11

Parents are entitled to free school transport (dependent on distance from allocated school) in the same way they are entitled to free education for their child, no matter what their wealth is

MrsSchrute · 17/02/2025 10:12

Daisyb1080 · 17/02/2025 10:09

Well up be fair she is entitled to a free school place. Not everyone at private school is rolling in it but they wanted the choice to give their child a good education. Since that has been ripped away from them it now proves what a dumb move the VAT addition is, as before everyone in private school was saving the state money. Now they are accessing what they are entitled to you get upset. I actually hate how jealous and narrow minded everyone is in the UK.

Not everyone at private school is rolling in it

Not everyone, but almost everyone.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/02/2025 10:12

Kingsransom · 17/02/2025 10:09

I agree its just poor planning on the parents part. They knew increases were likely but chose to send DC there anyway. Parents that would rather gamble their child's education for image. And now the poor child has to travel miles for school. I'm failing to understand why they can't afford to pay for a taxi themselves though when they could seemingly afford private education. I'd imagine it's because then they couldn't earn a couple of quid from the daily mail.

They could afford it, but they don't have to - those are the rules.

Perhaps the government should have planned better to make sure that every child in a private school had the option of a state place within 3 miles? Very short sighted of them.

Beekeepingmum · 17/02/2025 10:13

Burnoutforever · 17/02/2025 10:08

Slightly worrying that a privately educated till recently child feels they need Latin and Russian to be a vet ?

Surely every VET you've been to can speak Russian? How would they treat the Siberian Huskys if they didn't?

Kingsransom · 17/02/2025 10:15

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/02/2025 10:12

They could afford it, but they don't have to - those are the rules.

Perhaps the government should have planned better to make sure that every child in a private school had the option of a state place within 3 miles? Very short sighted of them.

If they hadn't applied mid year, they likely would have a place much closer. Or at the start of the child's education, given they couldn't afford private.

TickingAlongNicely · 17/02/2025 10:15

If people have such a problem with Free School Transport then campaign against it rather than slating people that use it. Councils do all they can to get out of paying it (like X school is technically 100m closer to your front door even though by road it is 2 miles further away (that was the reason my younger child's was refused when my elder DDs was accepted incidentally!)

Daisyb1080 · 17/02/2025 10:16

Mummybud · 17/02/2025 08:47

Is it any worse than what the govt have done though? Previously this family were paying for private school, reducing the burden on the state. The govt stepped in and made that unaffordable, forcing them out of the private system. Taking away their choice of education. There’s no justification for the govt’s policy other than envy and greed. No one is benefitting from it - where are the extra teachers? The breakfast clubs aren’t sufficiently funded. Private schools are closing, putting hundreds of people out of their jobs and affecting local communities.

Why shouldn’t this family point out the ridiculousness of the transport policy? Goodness knows no one is listening to any other sensible arguments.

Exactly this

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/02/2025 10:16

Beekeepingmum · 17/02/2025 10:13

Surely every VET you've been to can speak Russian? How would they treat the Siberian Huskys if they didn't?

And the little grey hamsters, let's not forget them and their need to hear their mother tongue.

Quite disappointed that she isn't learning ancient Egyptian for communicating with cats or proto indo european for horses, though. Just Latin for pigs, I guess.

Kingsransom · 17/02/2025 10:16

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/02/2025 10:12

They could afford it, but they don't have to - those are the rules.

Perhaps the government should have planned better to make sure that every child in a private school had the option of a state place within 3 miles? Very short sighted of them.

This would be a waste of public funds. The LA know most parents don't do this to thier children.

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