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Council spends £8000pa on a taxi due to VAT on private schools

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 17/02/2025 08:10

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14403627/Labours-VAT-raid-teenage-girl-private-school-council-fund-8-000-taxi-bill.html

So now a place is being taken up in an overscribed school, a 15 year old has had her eduction severely disrupted and the local council has 8k less in the pot.

Well done Labour!!! One of many stories, i'm sure and so predictable.

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CleverButScatty · 17/02/2025 22:52

Noideawhatiam · 17/02/2025 21:13

The school the child attends didn't have a place either, but it's the only one the mother bothered to apply for a join the waiting list.
If she had applied, been turn down and them appealed for a close school she would have very likely been admitted to one of those

I bet it's a far more desirable school too...

CleverButScatty · 17/02/2025 22:58

CrispieCake · 17/02/2025 20:34

I can't see how the council would have ended up paying if actually they'd been able to point to a nearer school and say "look, there are places here". Surely that would have been their defence to the appeal - "we won't pay for transport but you can have a place at X closer school".

Because she had already started when they applied. Different if they had applied before she started.

Bringmefood12 · 17/02/2025 23:24

CleverButScatty · 17/02/2025 22:58

Because she had already started when they applied. Different if they had applied before she started.

It doesn’t matter even Sen children if there is an any mainstream school or Sen school that offered a space, could meet needs your right to transport is revoked. The only way she is would be entitled to transport is if there was no nearer schools does not matter is she was already a student there or not.

CleverButScatty · 17/02/2025 23:25

Bringmefood12 · 17/02/2025 23:24

It doesn’t matter even Sen children if there is an any mainstream school or Sen school that offered a space, could meet needs your right to transport is revoked. The only way she is would be entitled to transport is if there was no nearer schools does not matter is she was already a student there or not.

Yeah but in reality if they escalated a complaint to the LGSCO, they would not ask for a child to be moved. So the council knows they're backed into a corner.

Convolvulus · 17/02/2025 23:29

Bringmefood12 · 17/02/2025 23:24

It doesn’t matter even Sen children if there is an any mainstream school or Sen school that offered a space, could meet needs your right to transport is revoked. The only way she is would be entitled to transport is if there was no nearer schools does not matter is she was already a student there or not.

Not quite correct. The guidance made it clear that, if there was no nearer school at the time when places were being allocated, but a place becomes available later, this will not affect the right to transport. It is recognised that it would not be fair to allow a child to settle and then effectively to say that they must move schools again if they still need transport

However, if the parents simply put her in that school and it was shown that, at the time they did so there were available places at closer schools, then she wouldn't b entitled to transport.

Bringmefood12 · 17/02/2025 23:33

Convolvulus · 17/02/2025 23:29

Not quite correct. The guidance made it clear that, if there was no nearer school at the time when places were being allocated, but a place becomes available later, this will not affect the right to transport. It is recognised that it would not be fair to allow a child to settle and then effectively to say that they must move schools again if they still need transport

However, if the parents simply put her in that school and it was shown that, at the time they did so there were available places at closer schools, then she wouldn't b entitled to transport.

So yes she did not screw the system at all, there were no available school in 25 mile radius so there for she is entitled to transport the comment
above made it sound like the mum chose to send her to that school and probably didn’t try harder enough.

LondonLawyer · 17/02/2025 23:39

CleverButScatty · 17/02/2025 22:51

I don't think that is likely unless you are talking about the likes of Eton with fees of over 40k... Unlikely for a nurse.

As far as I'm aware, the academic London day schools are roughly £25-30K now (including VAT and the rates increases). The expensive boarding schools are around £60,000 / yr, mostly a bit under that.

Plantatreetoday · 18/02/2025 00:44

StrivingForSleep · 17/02/2025 22:04

@Plantatreetoday it may be an independent special school or a non-maintained special school. These can be incredibly expensive. Some are far more than £80k.

Wow!

CrispieCake · 18/02/2025 07:06

Bringmefood12 · 17/02/2025 23:33

So yes she did not screw the system at all, there were no available school in 25 mile radius so there for she is entitled to transport the comment
above made it sound like the mum chose to send her to that school and probably didn’t try harder enough.

Yes, sounds like a bit of a non-story to me. It's a waste of resources but I don't really see what the parents have done wrong.

CleverButScatty · 18/02/2025 07:50

LondonLawyer · 17/02/2025 23:39

As far as I'm aware, the academic London day schools are roughly £25-30K now (including VAT and the rates increases). The expensive boarding schools are around £60,000 / yr, mostly a bit under that.

Exactly, it's not going to be a 12k increase on top of 25-30k as a pp suggested

Washinghanginginthesun · 18/02/2025 07:58

TheignT · 17/02/2025 19:20

So the mother gave up her job as they couldn't afford the £3k extra for fees? How much was she earning, surely more than £3k.

🤦‍♀️ why do people keep making this idiotic argument.

She didn’t just have to pay the increase! She had to pay the total bill of £25k.

Washinghanginginthesun · 18/02/2025 08:07

Bringmefood12 · 17/02/2025 23:24

It doesn’t matter even Sen children if there is an any mainstream school or Sen school that offered a space, could meet needs your right to transport is revoked. The only way she is would be entitled to transport is if there was no nearer schools does not matter is she was already a student there or not.

The place would have to be available and offered when she started. Once she had already started at the school it is too late to turn around and say ‘we could have offered her a place at this school’.

Also waiting lists are not in order applied, they are in order of entitlement to a place so you could be second on a list and they have six people offered before you.

shockeditellyou · 18/02/2025 08:15

Plantatreetoday · 17/02/2025 19:31

Yes it is
Heres a screen shot from the article

At no point does it say they applied using the LA’s approved applications system. They phoned up schools, who will generally say they are full. It takes the LA to invoke the FAP.

Rubyupbeat · 18/02/2025 08:21

Why even send your child 25 miles a day for school. It's too far and too tiring. Mum should have played the waiting game for a more local school. She could have used the money she paid for private schooling for tutoring.

Washinghanginginthesun · 18/02/2025 08:37

Loads of children travel 25 miles or more to school. The distance isn’t the issue, travel time is. School transport taxis generally don’t just pick up a single child, they tend to go round the houses picking up several so even if you are only six miles from school it could still take you longer than if you are 25 miles away. The courts have set 75 minutes as a maximum reasonable travel time each way.

This girl may have a taxi to herself at the moment but when the new year starts, if not before, she may find herself incorporated into a route to pick up other children en route.

Burnoutforever · 18/02/2025 08:41

Rubyupbeat · 18/02/2025 08:21

Why even send your child 25 miles a day for school. It's too far and too tiring. Mum should have played the waiting game for a more local school. She could have used the money she paid for private schooling for tutoring.

I would expect more local school may have been less desirable so she wanted to get a place at the one she wanted and deal
with things retrospectively

TizerorFizz · 18/02/2025 09:07

Probably wanted the child to attend a school! Getting science tutors is very hard and this is Lincolnshire not London. Yes, 25 miles is too far and if schools say they are full, they are. Plus the LA probably produces details of where schools have spaces on mine. My school does. At the time they wanted the place, there wasn’t one nearer or no transport would have been agreed at all. A space coming up later is irrelevant.

CrispieCake · 18/02/2025 09:12

Washinghanginginthesun · 18/02/2025 07:58

🤦‍♀️ why do people keep making this idiotic argument.

She didn’t just have to pay the increase! She had to pay the total bill of £25k.

Besides which, I presume the mother could afford to change jobs/cut her working hours since they no longer had the school fees to pay. In any case, presumably she'll be able to go back to her old job or a similar one now they've got school transport sorted.

TENSsion · 18/02/2025 09:58

Bringmefood12 · 17/02/2025 21:41

The whole system is is wild
my Daughter is starting a private school for year 7 as they could no find her a place in a state school plus transport

80k a year it’s going to cost them !

I can’t think of anything more deserving of state money than a child with specialist needs.

I’m really glad she’s getting the provision she needs.

TENSsion · 18/02/2025 10:04

Schools shouldn’t be so shit that parents bother looking further afield.
Even if she did cherry pick, which I’m not convinced she did, all she was doing was trying to find a good school for her daughter and there are people on here begrudging that.

How about we demand the government actually does something to improve schools?

Moglet4 · 18/02/2025 10:15

Ribidibidibidoobahday · 17/02/2025 13:49

But that won't require taxis. They will apply at the normal time for a local place.

People seem to be gripping on to this idea that by taking some children out of the school system they're somehow strengthening it and we should all thank them for not using the service and saving us money. Now I don't buy that. Choice is good, but it makes negligible difference to the school system from a cost point of view, especially considering fluctuating demographics. In the past 5 yrs there was an increase of around 11%, now set to drop and private school population has always been around 5/6% of total population so even if everyone did throw their toys our of the pram at being charged VAT and send their kid to state school it's not going to buckle the whole system.

But the fact is all the costs listed in the article would be covered by the VAT of 5 classmates remaining in the girls previous school.
Some people are going to stay private regardless. Why should they get a tax break on how they choose to spend their money? If they choose to leave that school and go to a state school they will likely spend the money on music tuition, days out, books and other activities that bring in VAT.
Such small proportion of the UK population are being inconvenienced by this (though obviously a percentage of the public school parents think they are, when they're not), I really don't understand how you're allowing them to whip you up into a frenzy.

You see, the minute you use the words ‘tax break’, you lose all credibility and the rest of your comments won’t be considered. Private parents have NEVER EVER had a tax break.

LlamaDharma · 18/02/2025 10:19

I didn’t really read past the bit that said ‘Daily Mail’. I knew then it would just be an attention grabbing headline followed by a story full of holes that didn’t add up .

LlamaDharma · 18/02/2025 10:21

TENSsion · 18/02/2025 10:04

Schools shouldn’t be so shit that parents bother looking further afield.
Even if she did cherry pick, which I’m not convinced she did, all she was doing was trying to find a good school for her daughter and there are people on here begrudging that.

How about we demand the government actually does something to improve schools?

Isn’t that was the VAT on private schools is about. Improving state schools?

Digdongdoo · 18/02/2025 10:21

TENSsion · 18/02/2025 10:04

Schools shouldn’t be so shit that parents bother looking further afield.
Even if she did cherry pick, which I’m not convinced she did, all she was doing was trying to find a good school for her daughter and there are people on here begrudging that.

How about we demand the government actually does something to improve schools?

I'm not sure this is evidence of problems with schools though. They quite quickly got a place at the only school they applied to, then got the free transport they applied for, and the LA don't appear bothered. Privileged family getting what they wanted, and still not happy. That's the story here. It's a non story.

CurlewKate · 18/02/2025 10:38

@TENSsion "Even if she did cherry pick, which I’m not convinced she did, all she was doing was trying to find a good school for her daughter and there are people on here begrudging that."

There is a a system. She appears to have ignored it. Not a good look.

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