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Labour have ruined the job market

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Needajobforspouse · 14/02/2025 20:55

My spouse was made redundant in November, has done some bid work since then (e.g zero contract parcel delivery) but not enough to make up his old salary. He has job alerts and this week there was ZERO jobs advertised that meet his qualifications.

Nobody is hiring.

I work for an SME, and I am also at risk and in bad health. Not enough for PIP etc but enough to make me unreliable (recently diagnosed as immunocompromised).

Not even the local supermarket is hiring, and they won’t touch my DH anyway as he is massively over qualified (I know a supermarket manager and they don’t take on over qualified people as they are “hard to manage” and don’t stay long term.).

yesterday our car broke and we used the last of our savings for a new one, my roof is leaking. My bay window is leaking and I just feel like giving up.

just dreading this year of shitty government policies that pick on the middle income earners and penalise us, is this life? Because if so I hate it.

also where are all the jobs?! Literally zero here in northern England.

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Andwhoisasking · 16/02/2025 12:48

Octopies · 16/02/2025 12:42

I mean the amount of dithering around Brexit suggests those in Power didn't actually want to go through with it in the end! The fact there was even referedum in the first place sums up everything which is wrong with politics. Joe public, with no ecomonic knoweldge was asked to vote yay or nay and the media did a stellar job of whipping people into a frenzy. Anyone who questioned whether a decades old treaty should be reviewed in light of the fact times have changed significantly since it was originally drawn up, was automatically labelled a racist. I voted Remain, as the proposed exit strategy of 'let's see what happens' seemed shit, but if there was an option to renegotiate the terms of the agreement, I would have voted for that.

I don't really understand why some people have such an issue with calling out a shit policy regardless of which Government implemented it.

They are in an echo chamber that’s why. They aren’t able to critically think. It’s like being in a class of 5 year olds. Unable to concentrate on more than one task at a time. Labour - good. Tory - bad. Labour could sink the whole economy and rhetorically set fire to the whole country and it would be ok. The hero worship of Keir is a little creepy.

Goldenbear · 16/02/2025 12:58

Andwhoisasking · 16/02/2025 12:46

Of course you are. Almost as cliche as Nige. Not a reform voter. Maybe return to chat where you can stay in the echo chamber?

Er yes, we are. As are many of our friends and peers who also work in the private sector. I didn't vote for the Labour party but how do you think they won a landslide victory if only people in the Public sector voted for them. We are in London and the south east so maybe in your echo chamber it is Reform economics.

Goldenbear · 16/02/2025 13:01

Andwhoisasking · 16/02/2025 12:48

They are in an echo chamber that’s why. They aren’t able to critically think. It’s like being in a class of 5 year olds. Unable to concentrate on more than one task at a time. Labour - good. Tory - bad. Labour could sink the whole economy and rhetorically set fire to the whole country and it would be ok. The hero worship of Keir is a little creepy.

Yes, because this summary exudes superlative critical thinking.

Andwhoisasking · 16/02/2025 13:04

Goldenbear · 16/02/2025 12:58

Er yes, we are. As are many of our friends and peers who also work in the private sector. I didn't vote for the Labour party but how do you think they won a landslide victory if only people in the Public sector voted for them. We are in London and the south east so maybe in your echo chamber it is Reform economics.

I don’t know anyone who voted Reform. Lib Dems and ex Labour voters here. The cat thread is that way >>

EasternStandard · 16/02/2025 13:09

@Goldenbear it's likely changing now given the polling anyway, and the most loyal are likely public sector or state dependent

I'm intrigued which part of the private sector hasn't seen impact at all

Babadookinthewardrobe · 16/02/2025 13:15

Yes me too. Which private sector industry are you both in where jobs pipeline has not been impacted by the 10% increased cost per role @Goldenbear?

I’m curious to know which sector is escaping the pain. I’m in Financial Services and our job pipeline has been frozen.

OneLemonGuide · 16/02/2025 13:21

Smok3Scr33n · 16/02/2025 11:07

A lot be less chance of them being decimated as they were under the Tories with a government making them a priority.

Well, you’ll be shocked to know that the NIC rise means there’s effectively a real terms cut for social care sector… something the Tories never did for all their faults, but you go on parroting your childishly naive “Tories bad, Labour good” narrative.

Andwhoisasking · 16/02/2025 13:22

Babadookinthewardrobe · 16/02/2025 13:15

Yes me too. Which private sector industry are you both in where jobs pipeline has not been impacted by the 10% increased cost per role @Goldenbear?

I’m curious to know which sector is escaping the pain. I’m in Financial Services and our job pipeline has been frozen.

Snap.

Andwhoisasking · 16/02/2025 13:24

OneLemonGuide · 16/02/2025 13:21

Well, you’ll be shocked to know that the NIC rise means there’s effectively a real terms cut for social care sector… something the Tories never did for all their faults, but you go on parroting your childishly naive “Tories bad, Labour good” narrative.

This absolutely breaks my heart in all seriousness. There is a children’s hospice that I am aware of as an old friend works there. It isn’t some big charity creaming off the top. They are effectively cutting support and care for DYING CHILDREN in a way the Tories never did. They cannot afford to swallow all these new rises. People shout, tax business, and don’t stop to think what it all means.

Clavinova · 16/02/2025 13:27

Goldenbear · 16/02/2025 11:51

What anyone or everyone in the private sector- this simply isn't true and you won't find that everyone in the private sector that has a say in hiring and firing thinks that! Some have just found the excuse they need for not hiring.

You are somehow suggesting Brexit was better as more time to prepare, that's irrelevant to the overall outcome which has seen the UK considerably worse off compared to our developed country counterparts-

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/14/brexit-has-sliced-5percent-off-uk-economic-growth-goldman-sachs-says.html

A lengthy and interesting critique of the Goldman Sachs analysis (your link) and doppelgänger models in general:

The paper is unconvincing with evidence flimsy at best and some of their trade statistics are incorrect. If anything, the paper simply proves that the US would be a better economic model for the UK, not the EU.
https://centreforbrexitpolicy.org.uk/news/online/goldman-sachs-wrong-on-brexit/

GS claims to have used ‘similar’ countries to the UK in their doppelganger models. However, they have not revealed which ‘similar’ countries they have chosen to use in their comparative doppelgangers, nor have they explained in what way these countries are similar to the UK so we will never be able to check whether their analysis is fair. Nor do they explain why they change comparators between issues. Some are simple comparisons, others use a doppelganger index. When comparing real GDP per capita they use the US and the Eurozone; when comparing trade, they refer to a ‘G7 mean’ and a ‘range of doppelgangers’; and when comparing real GDP they use a G7 doppelganger but don’t say if this is made up of all of the G7 countries or just the G7 countries that they believe are similar to the UK. It does look as if they are cherry-picking their comparators.
https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/goldman-sachs-wrong-on-brexit/

Doppelganger models are an unreliable guide to how Britain would have looked had Brexit never happened.
https://thecritic.co.uk/brexit-and-the-dubious-doppelgangers/

OneLemonGuide · 16/02/2025 13:55

For those that have to counter the dire decisions Labour have made with “what about Brexit”… if it was so bad (and I’m inclined to agree it was a big mistake economically), why isn’t Labour reversing it,
or even seeking to go back into the customs union?

OneLemonGuide · 16/02/2025 13:58

And why do Team Starmer assume that if you criticise Labour, you must be a racist hard-right nutjob who worships at the feet of Farage! I really dislike Reform, and have never liked Farage, but my god, their patronising drivel is making me consider them!

OneLemonGuide · 16/02/2025 14:00

Andwhoisasking · 16/02/2025 13:24

This absolutely breaks my heart in all seriousness. There is a children’s hospice that I am aware of as an old friend works there. It isn’t some big charity creaming off the top. They are effectively cutting support and care for DYING CHILDREN in a way the Tories never did. They cannot afford to swallow all these new rises. People shout, tax business, and don’t stop to think what it all means.

Yes, it’s appalling, but some are so tribally Labour, Starmer could tattoo a swastika to his forehead and they’d still bleat on about the “evil Tories”…

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 16/02/2025 15:04

OneLemonGuide · 16/02/2025 13:55

For those that have to counter the dire decisions Labour have made with “what about Brexit”… if it was so bad (and I’m inclined to agree it was a big mistake economically), why isn’t Labour reversing it,
or even seeking to go back into the customs union?

Because they want to make progress not get stuck in a quagmire of rehashing the old debates. Brexit consumed British politics for far too long. I happen to think it was hugely stupid self sabotage and would love to undo it but it's not worth the hassle vs getting on with other stuff at the moment.

At least that'd be why I'd be ignoring it if I was in power.

Octopies · 16/02/2025 15:37

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 16/02/2025 15:04

Because they want to make progress not get stuck in a quagmire of rehashing the old debates. Brexit consumed British politics for far too long. I happen to think it was hugely stupid self sabotage and would love to undo it but it's not worth the hassle vs getting on with other stuff at the moment.

At least that'd be why I'd be ignoring it if I was in power.

What do you consider to be progressive about the current Government?

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 16/02/2025 15:42

@Octopies I said make progress, as in movement towards not progressive

But I'd say their employments rights bill is pretty progressive.

Octopies · 16/02/2025 15:45

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 16/02/2025 15:42

@Octopies I said make progress, as in movement towards not progressive

But I'd say their employments rights bill is pretty progressive.

In what way?

EasternStandard · 16/02/2025 16:01

Because they want to make progress not get stuck in a quagmire of rehashing the old debates. Brexit consumed British politics for far too long.

They'll struggle to make progress as policies will further shrink private sector

The next issue they'll have is struggling to get defence budget up

Maybe they'll go for welfare spending to try

taxguru · 16/02/2025 16:09

Goldenbear · 16/02/2025 12:58

Er yes, we are. As are many of our friends and peers who also work in the private sector. I didn't vote for the Labour party but how do you think they won a landslide victory if only people in the Public sector voted for them. We are in London and the south east so maybe in your echo chamber it is Reform economics.

They didn't win a landslide victory. Their votes were barely improved on the previous GE under Corbyn. What happened was the Tories lost massive amounts of votes to Reform and Libdems. So basically the Tories lost it rather than Starmer winning it. So, yes, they have a massive majority, but there was no significant shift in votes towards Labour to achieve it.

Tomatotater · 16/02/2025 16:22

taxguru · 16/02/2025 16:09

They didn't win a landslide victory. Their votes were barely improved on the previous GE under Corbyn. What happened was the Tories lost massive amounts of votes to Reform and Libdems. So basically the Tories lost it rather than Starmer winning it. So, yes, they have a massive majority, but there was no significant shift in votes towards Labour to achieve it.

This is basically what happens under a fptp electoral system. Corbyn piled up loads of votes from his fans in places where he didn't need to and alienated Labour voters in areas he did need to. Boris Johnsons victory was not as a result of him getting a significantly higher number of voters than Teresa May. Most of his victories in the Red Wall were due to people not wanting to vote for Corbyn so not voting at all. Vote share means nothing without broad appeal. Tories moaning about this when they have either done nothing or actively sabotaged any attempt to reform the voting system but are now complaining because they have become the victims of it.

Cupcakes2035 · 16/02/2025 16:31

Octopies · 16/02/2025 11:07

It's possible for both things to be true! Personally, I think we should hold those charged with managing the country to a higher standard than 'that pile of shit stank in a different way than the previous one, so it must be an improvement'.

i can agree about holding those in charge to a higher standard but then we need to impove the political education of the public so when they do vote they can also be part of choosing a quality manager and their team to lead the country

Octopies · 16/02/2025 17:33

Cupcakes2035 · 16/02/2025 16:31

i can agree about holding those in charge to a higher standard but then we need to impove the political education of the public so when they do vote they can also be part of choosing a quality manager and their team to lead the country

You would just end up getting an echo chamber of the policies of whoever is in charge at the time passed down to students via the classroom.

Cupcakes2035 · 16/02/2025 17:42

Octopies · 16/02/2025 17:33

You would just end up getting an echo chamber of the policies of whoever is in charge at the time passed down to students via the classroom.

so its pickled either way so to speak

Treeinthesky · 16/02/2025 17:53

BlueRothko · 15/02/2025 20:25

That’s been the case for years. Also - agency work is better than nothing as a stopgap.

It's really annoying though as they promise the world then let you go the next day. My bf cannot get a permenant job and works a few weeks then loses it then cannot get any uc so he's skint. Hence the reason so many people don't bother working this is the reason why. And no I am not talking about myself before people starting on me I am a registered professional and work full time permenant jobs.

BlueRothko · 16/02/2025 18:04

Treeinthesky · 16/02/2025 17:53

It's really annoying though as they promise the world then let you go the next day. My bf cannot get a permenant job and works a few weeks then loses it then cannot get any uc so he's skint. Hence the reason so many people don't bother working this is the reason why. And no I am not talking about myself before people starting on me I am a registered professional and work full time permenant jobs.

I know it’s really annoying - they will drop anyone for someone cheaper. It started years before July 2024 though.