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To alert LA/School/Social Services

140 replies

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 15:40

Yesterday while I was doing the school run I witnessed a dad shouting horribly (and horrible things) to a poor little boy. You could hear the boy screaming from a block away. I was in a rush, and really didn't want to confront this angry man, so just kept walking with my son.

Today, I saw the same boy (I didn't see him yesterday, only heard him) but he had the most horrible black eye and the rest of his face was incredibly swollen.

I'm sure both are connected but I have no evidence. Who can I alert about this?

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Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:13

soupyspoon · 14/02/2025 19:08

Another saying this is made up because the police wouldnt have a person to log this against, as they dont know the child's full name. I can tell you that the police dont go phoning around trying to get details of someone if they dont know the details of that person.

They logged against his first name, which is why they asked me to email the school.

I had already left a voicemail earlier today, so it was basically the written form.

When I once called 111 because I saw a man physically assaulting a woman, they still logged it even though I had no idea of the identity of these people, so what you're saying makes no sense either.

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moonsunandstars · 14/02/2025 19:13

Where did you see the little boy today? At school?

If he came to school with a black eye and a swollen face, school would have immediately contacted SS and probably wouldn't have released him to his parents.

It all sounds a bit.....weird?

Lilactimes · 14/02/2025 19:14

Lilactimes · 14/02/2025 19:06

It won’t hurt for her to do this. I agree there are Nat guidelines and frameworks but it won’t hurt for her to also notify the school surely?
Who knows how smoothly they work in every area. A concerned mother pushing organisations to act could be literally the difference between life and death x

Edited

Ignore this @inks ivw read more of your thread … and can see you think this may not be real.
I hope you’re right.

Sassybooklover · 14/02/2025 19:15

I work in a school and we have mandatory safeguarding training yearly. The one piece of information that is drummed into us is 'safeguarding is everyone's responsibility'. If you see something that doesn't sit right with you, report it. In this instance you know the child's name, and class. You report exactly what you have seen, factually. Find out who the designated safeguarding lead is in school and speak to them. Unfortunately, now it's half-term, but the bruising/swelling would have been seen by staff at school today, and they would have asked the child about it, and even call home to ask too. Once you have reported what you saw, it's down to the school to decide how they proceed.

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:15

newyearnewme2025 · 14/02/2025 19:10

i dont think anyone has suggested its nothing to do with the school? you would think that as a parent (which OP appears to be), that has witnessed 2 separate issues regarding the safety and well being of a child, the very first thing they would have done, is to go to the office at the school and tell them immediately what they have seen or at the very least, phoned the police and ask for advice. not leave it for a day or 2, mull it over, and then and only then ask the WWW 'what should i do?'. in this day and age, with everything going on in the world, its got to be impossible for a parent not to know what to do in an event like this?

To answer this

a) I talked about it with my other "mum friend" and I told her what I witnessed the previous day. She assured me the school would be on top of things as the bruising is obvious. I wasn't as sure thus this thread .

b) I didn't do it immediately because I had to get back home for a meeting at work, once it had ended the school had closed.

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Bigfellabamboo · 14/02/2025 19:16

Gosh how awful, especially with it now being half term and that child not having the safety of school. Well done for reporting

newyearnewme2025 · 14/02/2025 19:16

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:13

They logged against his first name, which is why they asked me to email the school.

I had already left a voicemail earlier today, so it was basically the written form.

When I once called 111 because I saw a man physically assaulting a woman, they still logged it even though I had no idea of the identity of these people, so what you're saying makes no sense either.

111 is NHS by the way not the Police... just for future reference

MrsPeregrine · 14/02/2025 19:17

I work for a local authority and I know we have an out of hours emergency social services number. If this child has a black eye and swollen face the day after you heard him screaming and his dad shouting at him, then that would make me concerned that his life is in imminent danger. I would ring social services again and be really insistent that they take action.

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:17

moonsunandstars · 14/02/2025 19:13

Where did you see the little boy today? At school?

If he came to school with a black eye and a swollen face, school would have immediately contacted SS and probably wouldn't have released him to his parents.

It all sounds a bit.....weird?

Yes, during pick up. I even asked my friend if it was really a black eye and not me being blind.

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Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:18

newyearnewme2025 · 14/02/2025 19:16

111 is NHS by the way not the Police... just for future reference

The non emergency number 101... I'm just trying to multitask here

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BusyMum47 · 14/02/2025 19:19

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 16:12

I know his name and year, he went to nursery with my DS.

Please report ASAP - to the school - they'll be able to spread the safeguarding net from there. (I work in a Primary School.)

lnks · 14/02/2025 19:22

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moonsunandstars · 14/02/2025 19:23

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:17

Yes, during pick up. I even asked my friend if it was really a black eye and not me being blind.

But this is the part I don't understand....there's no way school would have ignored such extensive injuries on a child.

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:23

BusyMum47 · 14/02/2025 19:19

Please report ASAP - to the school - they'll be able to spread the safeguarding net from there. (I work in a Primary School.)

Who checks the emails / voicemail out of hours though? The social worker said the head, but I'm not too sure.

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Ang3leyes · 14/02/2025 19:23

Well you’d better do it before the bruise heals

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:26

moonsunandstars · 14/02/2025 19:23

But this is the part I don't understand....there's no way school would have ignored such extensive injuries on a child.

That's what SHE said. Which also could give the benefit of the doubt to the dad.

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Ang3leyes · 14/02/2025 19:31

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:26

That's what SHE said. Which also could give the benefit of the doubt to the dad.

What’s going on. Did you give the name and year to the school. Go on Facebook and try to find the boys family on there somehow if you have the time. Find the second name from there and then you have it to report. Or ask on local Facebook page anonymously ?

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Ah, OK - thanks!

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:35

Ang3leyes · 14/02/2025 19:31

What’s going on. Did you give the name and year to the school. Go on Facebook and try to find the boys family on there somehow if you have the time. Find the second name from there and then you have it to report. Or ask on local Facebook page anonymously ?

And what ask in a group if 5k is somebody knows the name of the kid with the back eye?

I did go through some of the posts from school (on tapestry) but they don't give any names

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Ang3leyes · 14/02/2025 19:55

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:35

And what ask in a group if 5k is somebody knows the name of the kid with the back eye?

I did go through some of the posts from school (on tapestry) but they don't give any names

ask if anyone knows the second name of the boy in the (enter year) as he had a black eye and you want to report it , just explain the story

NeverDropYourMooncup · 14/02/2025 20:01

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:23

Who checks the emails / voicemail out of hours though? The social worker said the head, but I'm not too sure.

As long as you sent it to the safeguarding email address and not office@, it'll be the Head and/or the Deputy Designated Safeguarding Lead. As it's a Primary school, it'll be easy for the Police to contact either of these to allow for somebody in the process of getting on a plane for a half term holiday - they always have contact details because children do end up in terrible situations in the school holidays and at night.

If you wanted to be quadruply certain, you could also email the safeguarding governor, as their email address also has to be published on the school's website in the safeguarding section/safeguarding policy document. Or even add the chair of governors, as they will be pretty much certain to have the Head's mobile number.

There is always a way to get in touch and with so many different ways, the odds of every single one failing is impossible.

Springiscoming112 · 14/02/2025 20:22

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 16:12

I know his name and year, he went to nursery with my DS.

Yes if you know name and nursery then report to police and children services

Hankunamatata · 14/02/2025 20:33

Usedphone · 14/02/2025 19:35

And what ask in a group if 5k is somebody knows the name of the kid with the back eye?

I did go through some of the posts from school (on tapestry) but they don't give any names

Go through posts. If you see boy screen shot, circle child and email the school

Petitchat · 14/02/2025 22:53

CatG021024 · 14/02/2025 18:30

Your attitude sums up why children slip through the net. Safeguarding is EVERYONE'S business, not just social care. All the SW could do is pass on to the Police what op has said. Op is the better source as the actual witness with some identifying info. Honestly, responses like this make me despair.

The SW hasn't passed it on to the police.

OP has done well, the SW has failed.

EverythingElseIsTaken · 15/02/2025 16:00

She said "the heads are normally very good at checking their emails during holidays" almost verbatim.

I can assure that my head never looks at emails during half term and maybe only every couple of weeks in a longer holiday. Our DSL is on a short cruise right now and she is looking forward to being totally offline. I’m heading out of the country tomorrow and won’t be paying roaming charges to check emails either.

The local MASH team should be on this.

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