Court summons for speedingTicket

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ive really messed up here and now am panicking
My husband was caught speeding in my car. Stupidly I somehow didn’t realise the letter was addressed to him after he’d opened it and showed me, so I filled out the form genuinely thinking I was the registered keeper (I’m not).
the next form was addressed to me and I was late send this back due to a hell of a lot going on in my life at the time and be just being overwhelmed and quite frankly stupid. I rang the number and they gave me a 7 day extension and said just send it now and don’t worry.
husband received his form and confirmed he was driving at the time.
we’ve now received a court summons as this whole process has taken beyond the amount of time allowed for police to deal with the matter and I’ve wrongly named myself as the registered keeper/filled out a form addressed to my husband.
In realise this is beyond idiotic but was a genuine mistake. Ive messed up every part of this process and have got into such a state with it. I’m a good person, clean lisence would never do this intentionally.
im panicking now but am told all I can do is wait to hear what the court decide.
How much trouble could I get in?!

No you didn't get a course for 34mph in a 30mph in England.

That chart is provided by one of the country's top motoring barristers, Andrew Thompson (website: http://www.counsel.direct

It is absolutely accurate and correct to current NPCC guidelines.

On top of that, multiple FOI requests to all police forces in England, and their responses, have confirmed its veracity over the years.

If you are still convinced that action was taken against you for 34mph on a 30mph limit then if you provide proof of that - copy of the NIP etc., to Andrew Thompson he will make a donation to a charity of your choice.

He has been asking for many years for anyone who can provide actual proof of their claim to have been NIP'd for less than [(limit + 10%) + 2mph] as in all his many years of dealing with motoring offences day in, day out, no one has EVER been able to do so.

The Single Justice Procedure is meant as a way to speed up the processing of minor offences. You can plead guilty and not attend court, the judge will give their sentence and you will get a reduction on fine for pleading guilty. You can plead guilty and attend court if there's something you want to explain in person.

You can plead not guilty and attend court. If found guilty you won't get a reduction on sentence.

If you don't reply to the notice your case will be assessed by a judge and a sentence given if found guilty.

Single Justice Procedures can't be used where the offence could potentially involve a prison sentence. It can be used if a guilty person can get fined or points though.

You still end up paying court fees and so on if found guilty.

If you are concerned about the mistake on the form, you should speak to a solicitor and get proper advice. But it sounds like in this case the SJP is about the driving offence, your husband speeding, not about a mistake on a form. Clearly if someone intentionally lied on a form that could be an offence. A mistake is different though, especially in the circumstances you describe where there is no particular reason to have lied about it. There would be no logical benefit in you dishonestly claiming to be the owner of the vehicle if there was no dispute that your husband was driving. (I'm not saying you were being dishonest, I'm saying there would be no logic in this case for you to be dishonest. If you were also fraudulently trying to take the points for his offence, there might be, but that's not the case here.)

Sorry, but how can you not know if your are the registered owner or not? Didn't you think you may have to sign forms when you got it?

There is a difference between owner and registered keeper. It literally says it on the V5.

Either way, forms require signing.

I really hope your insurance is correct, and you're not fronting?

A family member recently did a speed awareness course - they were told categorically you can be done for doing 31mph in a 30mph limit.

What does that mean? 😵‍💫

What forms? There’s nothing to sign when transferring a car from one keeper to another.

Then he’s not giving you the full picture. For a start you’re given EITHER points OR a ban. The only exception is a totting up ban when you reach 12 points. For a minor speeding offence he would have been given a 3pt/£100 fixed penalty taking him to 9 points, so he’s either full of shit or was in court for a more serious offence.

I have not lied, you are misleading. Did you read my letter? Were you on my course? Then how can you be o bloody arrogant to think you know better than me?

You are wrong in this.

One thing I do know is that Andrew Thompson DOES know better than you. Anything that he doesn’t know about motoring law simply isn’t worth knowing.

I've seen many NIPs for doing 34 in a 30 in my previous career. It was actually the most common speed I used to see.

https://roadlawbarristers.co.uk/speeding-what-is-the-10-plus-2-rule-and-what-does-it-mean-2/ This is helpful on the 10%+2 rule (not actually a rule).

Provide evidence of even a single one, never mind "many" and I'll donate £50 to the charity of your choice.

Andrew Thompson (top motoring law barrister discussed above) will also make a donation as he's offered to do constantly over the years and STILL no one has ever produced a verified example of a NIP for under 10%+2 over the limit in England.

I used to prosecute in traffic courts a while back, had a lot of 34 in 30. Get yourself down to your local mags court for a week, and there’ll be a very happy charity somewhere.

I also had a speed awareness course for 34 in a 30. 10% + 2 isn’t an actual rule, it’s discretionary (the +2, the 10% is usually factored in). So in a 30 it’s almost impossible to get done at 33 but whether you’ll get done at 34 depends on whether that police force recognises the +2.

Of course I don't have access to other people's NIPs to send you. If you don't want to believe me, that's fine. But when working with endorsements, 34 was the most common speed I noticed to be prosecuted for. It just was.

One of many FOI request summaries on individual force tolerances.

https://www.confused.com/car-insurance/guides/speed-camera-tolerances

And on top of the dozens of forces already covered in that link:

West Yorks Police have published their own tolerances separately (exactly as others, 10% +2mph)
https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/about-us/policies-and-procedures/policies/operational-policing/traffic-offences

North Yorks direct the FOI requester to the confused.com table linked - as they are also 10% +2mph

GMP answered "Yes" to the FOI request they received asking if they also use 10% +2mph tolerance (easily Googled)

North Wales - obviously not England, but also responded 10% +2 to the FOI request

Dorset - answered "36mph" to the FOI request of "what's the lowest speed you have ever issued a NIP for exceeding a 30mph limit" ( https://www.dorset.police.uk/foi-ai/dorset-police/disclosure-logs/archive/speeding2/ )

West Mids - answered "NPCC guidelines" (10% +2mph)

Warwickshire - confirmed they follow NPCC guidance (was in response to FOI regarding 50mph limit tolerance (they answered 57mph lowest speed for action))

We can go on and on and on with these until every force is covered.

@Nottodaythankyou123 which area(s) were you prosecuting for 34mph in a 30 limit, and which years, if you don't mind the question?

Hampshire is where I got caught, and it was quite a few years ago (10?). That table stacks up because 34 in one of those counties didn’t result in anything even though I went through a mobile camera. From memory, speed guns aren’t always set to the same tolerance as static ones as well, although it’s been a while since I’ve done anything relevant to traffic offences.

No need to shout or get your knickers in a twist

34 in a 30 here too, also Hampshire.