We cannot continue taking on immigrants indefinitely

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I'll probably be shot down for saying this but Immigration should be strictly controlled or we'll all become significantly disadvantaged. While international law doesn't require asylum seekers to stay in the first safe country they reach, some governments argue they should. There is a belief that the UK has a fairer asylum process, more legal protections, and better opportunities for work and education compared to other countries. While the reality may be different, word of mouth and social media often spread the idea that the UK is a good place to seek asylum. Our reputation as a desirable asylum destination is straining social services, housing, and the asylum system. The NHS and schools face increased pressure, housing shortages worsen, and asylum backlogs lead to long waits and high costs. Public frustration is growing, fueling political divisions. The system is unsustainable due to financial burdens, fairness concerns, and security risks.

We're all global citizens now though so everyone gets on with everyone else 🙄

Japan isn't coping very well without any immigration! It's had stagnant growth for years now. And does rely on immigrants for care of elderly and is taking on more and more migrants each year. With declining birth rate we have no choice but to accept immigration. All Brexit did was replace Eastern European immigration with more immigration from Asia which is likely to be more permanent - far harder to move back to Asia than Eastern Europe. I'm not sure that's what those who voted for Brexit wanted but that's what they got. Plus of course declining investment since 2016 which means lower growth. Also illegal immigration is a very small proportion of immigration. Most of it is because industries demand it. People can go on all they like about wanting less immigration but who is going to do those minimum wage jobs in nursing and care homes all over the country.

Janet and Steve need to check their privilege though. And it's their fault they didn't work hard enough during their lifetimes anyway. Tsk, pesky people expecting things from their own government.

I mean do you not see an issue with the culture clash?

There's only a clash if you want there to be one. My friends are a range of ethnicities and religions. I assume you're referencing Islam. I work with mainly Muslims and they're just people. Funny, lazy, hard working, loyal, kind, stand offish, all the usual. I have more in common with most of them than I do with MAGA racists (or the British equivalent).

Exactly. I actually changed my NHS job because I could not bear hearing the stories of torture from these poor people. Looking into the dead eyes of a refugee whose husband has died and who has been impregnated by a soldier, just devastated me. These people have hardly any money to spend here and their accommodation is often truly shit.

They do cost us money to care for. And put a burden on resources. But what is the alternative? For her to remain in her country until she is murdered like the rest of her family?

There should be zero tolerance for these men behaving like that. It is disgusting.

Historically, Britain spread itself around the world, looting, raping, stealing, colonising. Those countries didnt invite us in. We took it. As a result, we have a broad spectrum of immigrants.

Also, climate change, caused by developed nations, is making many places around the world uninhabitable. So of course people are migrating.

But perhaps you could ask for a tax refund of your 'widows mite' and invest it to be used just for you.

I think people have the wrong end of the stick. It's not that the UK can't afford the immigrants. The UK can't afford to live without immigrants as they take most of the minimum wage caring jobs in the UK. I mean you can reduce visas but NHS and social care has to actively recruit overseas for nurses/doctors and carers. Also universities rely on tuition fees from abroad. It's just the impact of the aging population. I think there were 5 working people per pensioner in 1950 but only 3 working people per pensioner now. The reason we have more immigrants is the UK economy needs them. Who's going to pay taxes/ look after the elderly with the declining birth rate?

You make no points. You seem to think because of the past we owe something to everyone else. How exactly when we are we supposed to do that when we have a £2.7 TRILLION's worth of national debt? and our interest rate payments only keep increasing.

You seem to think I'm racist. I'm not. I have friends and family of different creeds and colour.

I'm 'numberist' if you want to call it that. The country is full. We don't need to rip up the countryside to house yet another million and the next million next year and so on.

Japan is turning a corner actually. If you read about it things are picking up. It's taken 20 long years for things to change but they are changing.

So it's not the end of the world to not have constant flux of immigrants. Yes it's painful, maybe no growth for some years. But so what? It's the billionaires who get the wide side of the pay packet anyway.

Instead our MP asked us to try and be kind 🙄. Mind you he's a twit anyway so that wasn't a great surprise.

We also support many people in this country who have contributed nothing. Should we stop their payments too?

We are still relying on medical help from abroad but all is not well here in the UK:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5267503-aibu-to-be-furious-that-there-are-no-jobs-for-young-doctors?page=28&reply=142013295

We need to reintroduce the RLMT

https://www.fsp-law.com/return-of-the-resident-labour-market-test/

Labour is considering doing this...

I think attitudes like that do racial harmony no good at all. I support genuine refugees and asylum seekers. But if these people then go onto terrorise others or make young school girls feel uncomfortable, they need to feel the force of the law.

That's just whatabout. They are living here already, British citizens. Does nationality and citizenship mean nothing to you?

By the same argument I could say, if we are ignoring borders we should pay for every single immigrant around the world.

Nuts argument.

@MoMhathair Well I'm actually thinking and I've come up with ;

Khairi Saadallah. He had fought in the Libyan Civil War for an Al-Qaeda affiliated organisation. In his asylum application, he said that he had only guarded hospitals and similar mundane, innocent activities. He lied, he gained asylum, he went on to murder three British men in broad daylight.

Ahmed Hassan, who bombed a train at Parsons Green in 2017. He had claimed that he was ‘being trained to kill’ for three months by Islamic State in his asylum application. He later said this was a lie concocted to improve his chances of asylum (whether that was a further lie is unclear)

Valdo Calocane https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/feb/05/triple-killer-valdo-calocane-refused-medication-as-he-did-not-like-needles-care-review-finds

Axel Rudalcabana. - the Southport Killer

Mohammad Sidique Khan, Shehzed Tanweer, Germaine Lindsay, Hasib Hussain
(7/7 London Bombings) Three of the bombers were British-born sons of Pakistani Immigrants and Lindsay was a Islamic convert born in Jamaica.

Emad al-Swealmeen, who died after detonating homemade device inside a taxi, (outside Liverpool Womens' Hospital) had been rejected for asylum.

Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale murdered Drummer Lee Rigby. They are British of Nigerian Descent were raised as Christians, and converted to Islam

Ahmed Ali Alid a Morrocan asylum seeker was rejected for asylum in 13 different countries before arriving in UK on the back of a lorry. He murder4ed a 70 year old Hartlepool man who was out for a morning stroll.

In 2004 failed Algerian asylum seeker Kamal Bourgass* *was convicted of murdering PC Stephen Oake.

A violent Afghan asylum seeker entered the country before murdering an aspiring Royal Marine in 2023. Tom Roberts, 21, was stabbed to death by Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai who had previously shot 2 migrants in Serbia while travelling to the UK.

We have quite enough home-grown terrorists & murderers without importing any more.

Atavistic? I think not.

https://www.fsp-law.com/return-of-the-resident-labour-market-test/

Labour are considering reintroducing this test. By the way.

Yes Labour.

It is the argument you used. People who haven’t contributed shouldn’t be paid to live here.

Anyway, I believe in controlled immigration and sensible rules.

But to make a certain kind of person feel better, the journeys on boats are v traumatising. People risk an hell of a lot. And being an illegal immigrant here isn’t much fun either. If that’s a better life than the one they are leaving, I kind of pity them.

@TheAmusedQuail Historically, Britain spread itself around the world, looting, raping, stealing, colonising. Those countries didnt invite* us in. We took it. As a result, we have a broad spectrum of immigrants.

*So did Spain, Portugal, The Netherlands, France, Belgium, - yet strangely enough most of the immigrants are heading our way. I wonder why?🤔

Me too. I have nothing against them personally. I'd probably try myself in similar circumstances. But I don't agree with uncontrolled immigration like what is happening now and open borders where anyone can rock up in a boat.

I can't speak for most of those countries, but I've lived in Spain. Much higher immigrant population than the UK.

@TrainGame - a sane move if Labour do it.

But it's a bigger country = more room.

In fact it's twice as big as UK.