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We cannot continue taking on immigrants indefinitely

356 replies

MobilityCat · 08/02/2025 15:27

I'll probably be shot down for saying this but Immigration should be strictly controlled or we'll all become significantly disadvantaged. While international law doesn't require asylum seekers to stay in the first safe country they reach, some governments argue they should. There is a belief that the UK has a fairer asylum process, more legal protections, and better opportunities for work and education compared to other countries. While the reality may be different, word of mouth and social media often spread the idea that the UK is a good place to seek asylum. Our reputation as a desirable asylum destination is straining social services, housing, and the asylum system. The NHS and schools face increased pressure, housing shortages worsen, and asylum backlogs lead to long waits and high costs. Public frustration is growing, fueling political divisions. The system is unsustainable due to financial burdens, fairness concerns, and security risks.

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Zusammengebrochen · 09/02/2025 17:11

ilovesooty · 08/02/2025 15:30

We don't even take our fair share of asylum seekers.

Neither do loads of countries that are much closer to their home countries. Why is it all Europe's burden exactly?

GoldFishPocketWatch · 09/02/2025 17:15

Zusammengebrochen · 09/02/2025 17:11

Neither do loads of countries that are much closer to their home countries. Why is it all Europe's burden exactly?

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I think we once had some notion of being a society with decent humanitarian values... Hard to tell that now though isn't it! Burden indeed.

FairCat · 09/02/2025 17:16

TrainGame · 09/02/2025 17:01

@FairCat Please go back and read the thread. Irritating when I have to repeat myself for those that turned up late and can’t be bothered to read. I’m not reposting links.

@1457bloom The NHS is really suffering right now for a variety of reasons and you’re behind the curve:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5267503-aibu-to-be-furious-that-there-are-no-jobs-for-young-doctors?page=1

Both of you, why is Labour considering reinstating the the RMLT?

https://www.fsp-law.com/return-of-the-resident-labour-market-test/

Could it be we’ve got a giant benefits bill allowing millions to sit at home, while we import immigrants who don’t necessarily add anything to the bottom line but simply strain further already collapsing infrastructure?

https://www.fsp-law.com/return-of-the-resident-labour-market-test/

Go back and read the thread you might learn something instead of these little sound bites you’ve picked up from somewhere.

It's a long and rambling thread and I'm busy. If you don't want to link earlier comments that's fine.

The ONS doesn't deal in sound bites, it deals in demographic and economic data. Hard metrics don't lie, even if some politicians do.

Labour is discussing RMLT to appeal to right wing voters, it's posturing, it won't change anything.

Notsosure1 · 09/02/2025 17:19

FromHere · 08/02/2025 15:32

Lots of countries take far more asylum seekers than we do. The op sounds like a PPB for the racist and thick right wing Reform party

They’re usually a lot bigger.

Leaving aside very small countries such as Monaco and Luxembourg, the most densely populated nation in Europe is the Netherlands followed by England.

ReginaMolesworthy · 09/02/2025 17:31

ilovesooty · 08/02/2025 15:30

We don't even take our fair share of asylum seekers.

Oh for crying out loud not again ! 😡

Who decides what our "fair share" is ??

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 17:36

Zusammengebrochen · 09/02/2025 17:11

Neither do loads of countries that are much closer to their home countries. Why is it all Europe's burden exactly?

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Why is it Turkey and Pakistans problem?

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 17:36

ReginaMolesworthy · 09/02/2025 17:31

Oh for crying out loud not again ! 😡

Who decides what our "fair share" is ??

Globally.

DogsDinner · 09/02/2025 17:38

There are many downsides to increasing our population by up to a million extra people a year, as most people can see only too well for themselves.

However, we’ve always been told it’s good for the economy. The actual statistics suggest it actually makes very little impact, as has already been posted on this thread.

The latest trends are starting to suggest that along with all the other negatives that come with mass immigration, it’s also actually making us poorer as well.

GDP per capita is trending downwards, and the OBS has released the staggering financial lifetime cost of low paid immigrants to the country. They certainly won’t be paying to support pensioners!

And things are only going to get worse, because the effects of legal immigration are delayed.

For the last 4 years we’ve had the so called ‘Boriswave’ (that man really does have a lot to answer for). Well over a million people came in legally every year, mostly to work in low paid jobs.

At the moment, these immigrants aren’t costing the country a lot. Most of them would have had to pay visa fees, an NHS surcharge, and will not be able to claim benefits for five years, although they can still use public services such as the NHS and education.

Starting this year, they will become eligible to claim indefinite leave to remain, and then after a year, British Citizenship. At this point they will be able to access the full range of benefits available to British citizens.

So millions of low paid immigrants will become citizens in the next 5 years or so, each one costing the taxpayer almost half a million on average over their lifetime.

They won’t be paying anyone’s pensions!

This is why successive governments just haven’t given a toss how many people they let in. Lots more people increases GDP through sheer numbers, but the costs aren’t felt for years down the line, at which point somebody else will be dealing with it.

ReginaMolesworthy · 09/02/2025 17:44

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 17:36

Globally.

What does that mean ??

Zusammengebrochen · 09/02/2025 17:47

GoldFishPocketWatch · 09/02/2025 17:15

I think we once had some notion of being a society with decent humanitarian values... Hard to tell that now though isn't it! Burden indeed.

Again, why are European societies the only one with this burden placed upon them?

Zusammengebrochen · 09/02/2025 17:48

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 17:36

Why is it Turkey and Pakistans problem?

Why is it the UK or Germany's problem either?

ReginaMolesworthy · 09/02/2025 18:07

Zusammengebrochen · 09/02/2025 17:47

Again, why are European societies the only one with this burden placed upon them?

Yes I'd like to know why that is, as well ?

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 19:53

ReginaMolesworthy · 09/02/2025 17:44

What does that mean ??

When you compare what the uk takes compared to
other countries globally then we are not in the the top ten.

Turkey and Pakistan end up taking the most asylum seekers as they border countries like Afghanistan. When you read what’s happening there then you can blame those people to flee. They go to the country bordering theirs. And must stay there. I guess the European countries could pay those countries to keep the asylum seekers or take some. Set up legal routes.

its a global problem. I do t believe in turning our backs.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 19:53

ReginaMolesworthy · 09/02/2025 18:07

Yes I'd like to know why that is, as well ?

They aren’t.

TrainGame · 09/02/2025 20:11

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 19:53

When you compare what the uk takes compared to
other countries globally then we are not in the the top ten.

Turkey and Pakistan end up taking the most asylum seekers as they border countries like Afghanistan. When you read what’s happening there then you can blame those people to flee. They go to the country bordering theirs. And must stay there. I guess the European countries could pay those countries to keep the asylum seekers or take some. Set up legal routes.

its a global problem. I do t believe in turning our backs.

How do you propose to house million after million coming in? And what is your limit? Do we take 5 million, 20 million? All the people who ever wanted to come.
What is the limit? Or isn’t there one? We have endless capacity, do we? despite being £2.7 TRILLION in national debt with interest payments getting higher every quarter.
Immigration adds at best 1% to GDP. It puts massive pressure on the NHS, public transport, infrastructure generally. We are running out of water, national grid cant keep up with demand and needs replacing.
We have zero planning forward for these people, no houses.
Currently they are living in Premier Inn for £3k per month.
This is not how I want my tax spent.

Bringing in more people without planned infrastructure is madness.

Water crisis:
"But with climate change and population growth, the demand for water is ever increasing. Many areas of England are already experiencing water shortages. In parts of Sussex, Cambridgeshire, Suffolk, and Norfolk, additional demands on water supply from businesses, and new housing developments, are putting huge pressure on water resources. "
https://environmentagency.blog.gov.uk/2024/03/21/meeting-our-water-needs-for-the-next-25-years/

Housing crisis:
https://www.crisis.org.uk/ending-homelessness/key-homelessness-policy-areas/housing/housing-supply/

Electricity crisis:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/10/capacity-crunch-on-national-grid-is-delaying-new-homes-in-uk-by-years
For the record I'm not racist!!!
But I'm genuniely worried how we house millions of extra people.

Food security crisis:
https://www.sustainweb.org/news/dec24-defra-uk-food-security-report/

For less than 1% extra to GRP we have constant pressure on our infrastructure.
What's the point? We must surely call a halt somewhere?

I feel very sorry for the entire population of Afghanistan but we cannot remove every single woman and child from there and house them here.

Capacity crunch on National Grid is delaying new homes in UK by years

Council leaders warn of ‘infrastructure crisis’ that will also affect green energy schemes and hinder growth

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/10/capacity-crunch-on-national-grid-is-delaying-new-homes-in-uk-by-years

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 20:37

So leave them to rot or just let it be Pakistan s problem?

TrainGame · 09/02/2025 21:24

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 20:37

So leave them to rot or just let it be Pakistan s problem?

Why exactly is it our problem?

There are millions of families living in poverty in the U.K.

How do you propose to house millions of people who will also live on the bread line?

We have a national debt of £2.7 trillion.

We really don’t have the resources to take more people when our current people are struggling with food banks and choosing between heating and eating.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 21:28

Why is it not our problem? A shared global problem.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 21:29

Our current people are struggling due to years of austerity by the Tory government.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 21:31

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 21:28

Why is it not our problem? A shared global problem.

@Zusammengebrochen not quite sure why you’re laughing at my posts

cardibach · 09/02/2025 21:34

cheezncrackers · 08/02/2025 15:36

I think we just have to be way tougher. We're seen as being a soft touch, because we are. Our immigration system is in disarray. It takes years for decisions to be made. We allow people to stay here, even when their petition fails. We allow appeal after appeal until even the least deserving find some way to stay. We have no ID cards and a thriving underground economy. And people traffickers know this and so do migrants. They know damn well that if they can just get here to the UK, their chances of ever being removed are miniscule. It's pathetic. We are pathetic. And they know it.

You are talking about asylum seekers, who are a tiny percentage of immigrants.

TrainGame · 09/02/2025 22:38

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 21:28

Why is it not our problem? A shared global problem.

Because there are plenty of countries that don't take migrants of any kind.

So it's not a shared global problem at all.

Gtfto2024 · 09/02/2025 22:44

TrainGame · 09/02/2025 22:38

Because there are plenty of countries that don't take migrants of any kind.

So it's not a shared global problem at all.

You are right. They don't take any in Antarctica. Maybe we should send them all there.

TrainGame · 09/02/2025 23:30

Gtfto2024 · 09/02/2025 22:44

You are right. They don't take any in Antarctica. Maybe we should send them all there.

So how many should we take?

I hope it’s clear between asylum seekers who I have no problem with if they come through a legal route vs economic migrants.

So how many should we take?

All of the women and children of Afghanistan?

All of the women and children of Ukraine?

All of the women and children of Myanmar?

All of the women and children of Yemen?

Hold on, there’s Palestine also, terrible things have happened there too.

Should we take all of the women and children from there?

How many millions is that?

We live in a shit world. It’s grossly unfair. But that’s what we have.

We also have people living in poverty in OUR OWN COUNTRY, who are desperate too, temporary housing, living on food bank food, NHS waiting lists at all time high, public transport that’s rubbish - and expensive, all bills going up.

We can’t keep overspending and overstretching ourselves.

How do you propose to house all these people, feed them etc, while making the U.K. go into ever deeper debt?

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 09/02/2025 23:52

What legal route is there for asylum seekers?

The legal route is to make your way over to U.K. border and seek asylum.