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We cannot continue taking on immigrants indefinitely

356 replies

MobilityCat · 08/02/2025 15:27

I'll probably be shot down for saying this but Immigration should be strictly controlled or we'll all become significantly disadvantaged. While international law doesn't require asylum seekers to stay in the first safe country they reach, some governments argue they should. There is a belief that the UK has a fairer asylum process, more legal protections, and better opportunities for work and education compared to other countries. While the reality may be different, word of mouth and social media often spread the idea that the UK is a good place to seek asylum. Our reputation as a desirable asylum destination is straining social services, housing, and the asylum system. The NHS and schools face increased pressure, housing shortages worsen, and asylum backlogs lead to long waits and high costs. Public frustration is growing, fueling political divisions. The system is unsustainable due to financial burdens, fairness concerns, and security risks.

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ilovesooty · 08/02/2025 15:30

We don't even take our fair share of asylum seekers.

JHound · 08/02/2025 15:30

This is a very unique argument that I have never heard before.

No but seriously most people agree with controlled immigration but the capitalist system in which we live continuously pushes for more sources of labour.

It doesn’t seem like any political party is particularly interested in curbing immigrant numbers - no matter what they say when not in power.

TemporaryPosition · 08/02/2025 15:31

ilovesooty · 08/02/2025 15:30

We don't even take our fair share of asylum seekers.

How is it calculated

How many are Japan taking?

FromHere · 08/02/2025 15:32

Lots of countries take far more asylum seekers than we do. The op sounds like a PPB for the racist and thick right wing Reform party

marshmallowfinder · 08/02/2025 15:33

ilovesooty · 08/02/2025 15:30

We don't even take our fair share of asylum seekers.

I doubt that very much.

ReginaMolesworthy · 08/02/2025 15:33

ilovesooty · 08/02/2025 15:30

We don't even take our fair share of asylum seekers.

Who determines what a "fair share" should be?

username299 · 08/02/2025 15:33

Are you talking about immigration or asylum seekers? Immigrants come to the UK for work or to study, asylum seekers come to seek refuge from persecution. They make up a tiny percentage of immigrants we take in.

DettolNightmares · 08/02/2025 15:34

Did you ask AI to help you write that?

JHound · 08/02/2025 15:34

Also the UK does not have a fair asylum process which is why they closed most routes.

The “WHy dID thEY nOT stOP in The fIRSt saFE coUNTry” is a nonsense argument used by people who just don’t want to accept any seeking refuge. What makes somebody a genuine asylum seeker is the circumstances they are fleeing, not the place they choose to apply for asylum.

When the invasion of Ukraine happened there were a number of Ukrainians who accessed the UK via Ireland. Does that make them non genuine?

Side note: Are we discussing asylum seekers or general immigrants? Two very different topics.

JHound · 08/02/2025 15:35

marshmallowfinder · 08/02/2025 15:33

I doubt that very much.

We take fewer than many European countries and far fewer than the countries neighbouring those asylum seekers flee from.

cheezncrackers · 08/02/2025 15:36

I think we just have to be way tougher. We're seen as being a soft touch, because we are. Our immigration system is in disarray. It takes years for decisions to be made. We allow people to stay here, even when their petition fails. We allow appeal after appeal until even the least deserving find some way to stay. We have no ID cards and a thriving underground economy. And people traffickers know this and so do migrants. They know damn well that if they can just get here to the UK, their chances of ever being removed are miniscule. It's pathetic. We are pathetic. And they know it.

Supersimkin7 · 08/02/2025 15:36

Yep - only big business profits from uncontrolled migration.

The taxpayer picks up the £500,000 bill per low skilled migrant.

The human cost in lost homes and missed operations is too big to be counted accurately.

Uncontrolled migration hurts us all.

ReginaMolesworthy · 08/02/2025 15:36

@JHound "Side note: Are we discussing asylum seekers or general immigrants? Two very different topics."

Yes, I think this should be clarified.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 08/02/2025 15:36

Well, we took a million adults last year, and about the same the year before that.

That’s roughly the equivalent of having a double decker bus with seats for 62 people. So the extra two have to stand in the aisle, or sit on someone else, or squeeze onto their seat. Then next year another person gets onto the bus,….

JHound · 08/02/2025 15:36

TemporaryPosition · 08/02/2025 15:31

How is it calculated

How many are Japan taking?

Why is Japan relevant to what we do or why they the barometer of how we should act?

Why Japan and not Jordan?

AgnesX · 08/02/2025 15:37

Is this the daily immigrant thread (sponsored by the Tory/Reform party).

🙄

wizzywig · 08/02/2025 15:37

Why stop there? Let's restrict benefit users to 1 child each and sterilise them after the first birth.

JHound · 08/02/2025 15:37

OP how many asylum seekers do you think the UK has? You seem to be conflating immigrants with asylum seekers which is confusing.

Mareleine · 08/02/2025 15:38

When the invasion of Ukraine happened there were a number of Ukrainians who accessed the UK via Ireland. Does that make them non genuine?
Given the amount of freebies we were giving out in Ireland and how much we were prioritising them without even needing them to prove they had actually originated in Ukraine (look it up), it was a bizarre choice that would raise eyebrows in anyone who actually thought hard on this.

TheAmusedQuail · 08/02/2025 15:38

No one will ever stop migration. People ebb and flow around the planet.

Plus, as climate change worsens, populations will understandably want to shift to safer places.

Hazel665 · 08/02/2025 15:38

Well look what's happened now that the previous government has bowed to the public's wishes with regard to student visas - universities are starting to make redundancies and cut courses. Nursing at Cardiff is one. So instead of training our own, we have instead (over the last few years) been heavily recruiting from abroad (but not from Europe, just to pull the wool over the eyes of the 52%). It's robbing Peter to pay Paul. None of it makes any sense.

Other countries are taking very much more than their fair share of refugees, you just don't hear about it. 3 million Syrians sought asylum in Turkey for example.

Schroom · 08/02/2025 15:39

JHound · 08/02/2025 15:34

Also the UK does not have a fair asylum process which is why they closed most routes.

The “WHy dID thEY nOT stOP in The fIRSt saFE coUNTry” is a nonsense argument used by people who just don’t want to accept any seeking refuge. What makes somebody a genuine asylum seeker is the circumstances they are fleeing, not the place they choose to apply for asylum.

When the invasion of Ukraine happened there were a number of Ukrainians who accessed the UK via Ireland. Does that make them non genuine?

Side note: Are we discussing asylum seekers or general immigrants? Two very different topics.

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It's not nonsense. it just happens to be an argument you disagree with. We can't have a functioning society if we're not capable of civilised dialogue.

Schroom · 08/02/2025 15:40

People coming from Ukraine via Ireland were clearly genuine asylum seekers, but whether they should have come to the UK when they were already safe is a different question.

TheAmusedQuail · 08/02/2025 15:40

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 08/02/2025 15:36

Well, we took a million adults last year, and about the same the year before that.

That’s roughly the equivalent of having a double decker bus with seats for 62 people. So the extra two have to stand in the aisle, or sit on someone else, or squeeze onto their seat. Then next year another person gets onto the bus,….

But the population doesn't just increase, does it? People die. People return home to other countries. Brits emigrate. Many more people these days are choosing not to reproduce. The UK is not a cup just getting fuller and fuller.

EternalSunshine19 · 08/02/2025 15:40

JHound · 08/02/2025 15:37

OP how many asylum seekers do you think the UK has? You seem to be conflating immigrants with asylum seekers which is confusing.

OP doesn't seem to know there is a difference between the two. 😂

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