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To hate the "Mental Health" brigade.

196 replies

IAKnowyou · 06/02/2025 17:46

It is becoming increasingly clear that many people do not know how to articulate a sentence. Especially on social media.
I am seeing - more and more, people claiming they "suffer from mental health".
Of course you bloody do. Everybody has "mental health"!! What you mean is that you have BAD mental health! That you are struggling WITH your mental health.
Some of the common phrases I DESPISE are as follows :
"I have/ I've got mental health"
"If you suffer from mental health..."
"He/She/They have got mental health"
"Mental Health can happen to anyone"
"I have severe mental health"
Just add a little something to the end such as "issues, problems, struggles" and you'll be good. But PLEASE for the love of god, learn to speak properly !!

OP posts:
Strawberryfruitcorner · 07/02/2025 15:21

IAKnowyou · 07/02/2025 14:28

@Serencwtch No, I wouldn't. Because I don't have an issue with wheelchair users, and haven't noticed incorrect terminology or language surrounding this. Nor with cancer. Same applies.
It's the " I av mental elf" brigade that grate on me.
The same way "I've got a bit of a head" (a headache)
"Got a bit of a chest at the moment" (cough) annoy me immensely also.

And the snobbery continues. Clearly from the language written in your quotation marks you are referring to those with accents that don’t pronounce English words like the queens English.

Boomer55 · 07/02/2025 15:23

Everyone’s “mental health” whacks up and down, depending on what’s going on their life. 🤷‍♀️

Catza · 07/02/2025 15:26

GeneralChaos1 · 06/02/2025 21:29

I completely agree. And I work in mental health.

it is a problem with the way the language is used. We all have mental health. You are struggling with your mental health at the moment. You have mental health difficulties.

I also don’t like when people say to me “I have anxiety”. You don’t HAVE it. You are suffering from it. It is hard, without a doubt. But it is not a permanent diagnosis like autism or adhd. You can overcome anxiety. Yes, some people are more susceptible to it than others and have to work much harder at managing it, but it is not a permanent state.

I think you find that expression "suffering from" is no longer PC in healthcare. "I have anxiety" is correct. I have a dog. Doesn't mean that I will always have a dog - she can be rehomed, she can die.. but I still have her right now. Saying someone is "suffering from" is presumptuous and patronising. I experience chronic pain, I am not suffering from it, for example. I take some meds and get on with my life.
I am also autistic and I don't care if people say I have autism but a lot of people in autistic community will tell you that "autism is not an accessory".

Ted27 · 07/02/2025 15:37

Personally I find the use of the word 'brigade' extremely irritating

A brigade is a military unit
Or very commonly used now used with contempt to belittle people

Not very kind to people who do have issues with mental health or anxiety is it?

Balloonhearts · 07/02/2025 16:06

Facebook is pissing me off. If I see one more selling post with 'need gone' on it, I'm going to scream.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 07/02/2025 16:10

I've never seen this phrase used except on MN where posters complain about it's incorrect use! It would annoy me if I did see it though.

L1ghtP0ur · 07/02/2025 16:11

Boomer55 · 07/02/2025 15:23

Everyone’s “mental health” whacks up and down, depending on what’s going on their life. 🤷‍♀️

For some people that whacking up and down is 10 times harder because of how their brain differs to the norm. Circumstances and experiences will also make how peopl” whack up and down” differ.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 07/02/2025 16:17

CherryPopShowerGel · 07/02/2025 13:59

It does tickle me. When someone says 'I've got mental elf' I just say 'that's great! Glad to hear it' :)

Yes, mocking people who disclose their mental health issues is really fun and helpful for everyone.

gotmyknickersinatwist · 07/02/2025 16:22

CarefulN0w · 07/02/2025 07:34

To be fair it is probably better on the whole to talk about mental health instead of mental illness.

But it needs a qualifier. As so many others have said it's meaningless on its own.
Good mental health, poor mental health etc.
You don't generally talk about physical health in the same vague terms.

It might work in the flow of a conversation, but hard to imagine all the same: 'ach Mary, how's yerself? How's the mental health? Keepin alright? and what about your mammy? How's her physical health? Is she gettin out & about on her new hip?'
The point is people seem to be using the term mental health specifically when discussing mental ill health or mental illness, and it seems to be so commonplace that plenty of people, in MN land at least, have picked up on it.
I have certainly noticed, and it is NOT about sneering at people who are struggling @Joker01, or deemed to be less well educated such as @PearlClutzsche (Another thread where (some) MNers sneer at others less educated or intelligent than themselves.) & @Strawberryfruitcorner seem to think.

As loads of people on this thread have pointed out, it pops up in discussions had by educated people, such as on the radio & tv involving experts and professionals.
It sounds strange, and picking up on an all-of-a-sudden-very-widely-used term that sounds jarring and doesn't make sense, is neither sneering at the poorly educated, or the mentally unwell.

I have been medicated for moderate depression in the past and I had pp anxiety. I also have a very dear friend who has anxiety (diagnosed). She uses the term mental health when referring to her mental illness for eg. 'I need my managers at work to understand that I have mental health.'
When she first started saying it I didn't know what she meant. I would never ever question or correct her though because I'm not a dick. Loads of people here, including the OP, have said they wouldn't correct any individual saying it. It doesn't mean they can't find the term really annoying.

There was a time, not that long ago, when mental health/illness was just not a topic of conversation. I was at school in the 90s and it was just never discussed. It's definitely a good thing that people are more aware now, but there has been a HUGE swing in the other direction and you can't turn on the radio or tv without 'mental health' being discussed.
Although of course I realise it's very important that children especially are encouraged to talk freely about their mental health, and not just in the negative, rather than bottling it up & struggling as we were expected to do in recent decades.

I do think @IAKnowyou overreacted in the OP though. Hate is pretty strong, especially when directed at people. It would make a lot more sense to say 'hate the use of the term' or 'find the term really annoying' but I'm assuming she has already addressed it.

VegLedge · 07/02/2025 16:37

And this is why a lot of people choose not to talk about their mental health issues and kill themselves instead.
People either pick apart the person and try to convince them they do not suffer with it despite them being under a mental health team, or they tell them that they are just not strong/resilient enough and need to pull themselves together and be a “tough cookie” like them,
or they pick apart the language they use about their own condition, like you OP.

aspidernamedfluffy · 07/02/2025 16:50

I hate the "let's-bitch-about-vulnerable-people" "brigade", but if you're ok with being one of those such people then, as the saying goes, you do you, OP.

ElephantInCrown · 07/02/2025 17:01

I felt like this when I had no experience of bad mental health. A very close family member is suffering and it's all a mess. I don't know what to say anymore.

gotmyknickersinatwist · 07/02/2025 17:02

VegLedge · 07/02/2025 16:37

And this is why a lot of people choose not to talk about their mental health issues and kill themselves instead.
People either pick apart the person and try to convince them they do not suffer with it despite them being under a mental health team, or they tell them that they are just not strong/resilient enough and need to pull themselves together and be a “tough cookie” like them,
or they pick apart the language they use about their own condition, like you OP.

Nonsense.

AmberElliston · 07/02/2025 17:05

If you’re getting wound up by something you mainly see/ hear on social media, maybe try spending less time on it.

VegLedge · 07/02/2025 17:06

gotmyknickersinatwist · 07/02/2025 17:02

Nonsense.

Thanks for your insightful reply 🙄

tellitonthemountains · 07/02/2025 17:11

haha nope this is also a particular bugbear of mine!

gotmyknickersinatwist · 07/02/2025 17:36

VegLedge · 07/02/2025 17:06

Thanks for your insightful reply 🙄

People disliking the recent use of the term 'mental health' when they mean mental illness is not why a lot of people choose not to talk about their mental health issues and kill themselves instead.

HTH.

VegLedge · 07/02/2025 17:40

gotmyknickersinatwist · 07/02/2025 17:36

People disliking the recent use of the term 'mental health' when they mean mental illness is not why a lot of people choose not to talk about their mental health issues and kill themselves instead.

HTH.

You clearly didn’t read what I wrote. I listed lots of reasons why it happens, but yes, Sneering people DO contribute to people killing themselves when they are struggling.

gotmyknickersinatwist · 07/02/2025 17:45

VegLedge · 07/02/2025 17:40

You clearly didn’t read what I wrote. I listed lots of reasons why it happens, but yes, Sneering people DO contribute to people killing themselves when they are struggling.

Sneering people contribute to people killing themselves?
I have to say that's a phenomenon I'm unaware of.
Fwiw I was suicidal as a teen. I've lost immediate family to suicide. I've never noticed any sneering about mental illness in my world. Lucky me, eh?

As for 'clearly didn't read what (you) wrote' I quoted your words.

VegLedge · 07/02/2025 17:53

gotmyknickersinatwist · 07/02/2025 17:45

Sneering people contribute to people killing themselves?
I have to say that's a phenomenon I'm unaware of.
Fwiw I was suicidal as a teen. I've lost immediate family to suicide. I've never noticed any sneering about mental illness in my world. Lucky me, eh?

As for 'clearly didn't read what (you) wrote' I quoted your words.

Edited

You edited my words and didn’t quote my whole post.

and yes, lucky you 🙄

IAKnowyou · 07/02/2025 18:05

Ted27 · 07/02/2025 15:37

Personally I find the use of the word 'brigade' extremely irritating

A brigade is a military unit
Or very commonly used now used with contempt to belittle people

Not very kind to people who do have issues with mental health or anxiety is it?

I also have mental health struggles and diagnosed anxiety. I don't "have mental health" though.

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L1ghtP0ur · 07/02/2025 18:06

gotmyknickersinatwist · 07/02/2025 17:02

Nonsense.

No not nonsense- correct.

Locutus2000 · 07/02/2025 18:10

What a petty load of shit, seriously.

If someone refers to having 'mental health' or blood pressure it obviously means they have a problem with it.

The 'mental health professionals' complaining should be fucking ashamed. Clearly you haven't worked with patients from the lowest socioeconomic backgrounds.

WhatALotOfAFussAboutNothing · 07/02/2025 18:12

Yes. This drives me mad too!

VegLedge · 07/02/2025 18:12

IAKnowyou · 07/02/2025 18:05

I also have mental health struggles and diagnosed anxiety. I don't "have mental health" though.

And yet you don’t mention it until now and all of your other posts on this thread are “othering” people with mental health issues.

Im surprised someone struggling themselves could be so petty about other people in the same boat as them.

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