To be concerned about what Liz Kendall is up to with disability benefits?

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The Times reporting just how enthusiastic Labour are about targeting the disabled.

I can only hope they are getting the worst ideas out there first, if not I dread to think what is coming in the upcoming review.

I was confident Labour would at worst be no worse than the Tories.

I was wrong.

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So do public sector wages.
And I have been a tax payer. Infact, everyone is a tax payer as they still pay tax on goods and services.

Don’t worry. Once they’ve slashed welfare - public sector jobs will be next. That is what happens when you decimate the private sector with huge tax rises. Own goal.

Thank you for explaining. I hope this is the case.

Do you feel the Tories were / are a better proposition for the public, particularly with regards to supporting welfare and public service investment?

Well he does.

1. A deposit is payable at the start of the lease.
2. He will be using his weekly PIP (mobility component) to pay for the lease. So not "free".

No. They destroyed tax take with punitive and complicated tax legislation. The problem is - Labour are much worse which will hasten the demise of the welfare state and the public sector as we know it.

I think you're missing my point.

disability benefits (as in pip) aren’t means tested you get them if you are disabled and qualify, they don’t reduce if you are working, you could be earning £100k a year and still qualify, the fundamental principle is that it is to pay for extra costs of being disabled so they have no effective on incentivising people to work/not work as if they qualify they get the money regardless

I find it very strange you can't see the difference between public service wages and benefits.

Some people blame everything on Covid. It's an easy cop out.

People use their weekly PIP to pay for the lease.

It's understandable why many people feel screwed which ever way they did turn and decide to turn next time I'd say.

It's frustrating that I work really hard, both at work and raising 3 children. Have worked since I was 16, never taken anything and always paid tax and I can't afford to go out once a week, never mind 3 or 4 times. Surely you must see there is something wrong with that! I know my relative and know 100% he could work in some capacity. As I said I am not tarring everyone with the same brush, I understand some people cannot work but he is obviously getting too much if he can afford such luxuries.

More disabled people would be in work if work was kinder, fewer hours (which disproportionately impacts disabled people and people with long term health) and help in work was easier to access.

The answer really isn’t a big fat stick. It’s making work better.

Try harder Labour!

When both are in the government coffers, it is the taxpayer's money. Once they go into either a nurse's bank account, or the bank account of someone on ESA, then it is that person's money.

Saying my benefit money is not actually mine, it is the taxpayer's is like prodding a nurse with a jabby finger whilst saying "I pay your wages". It is used to bash benefit claimants, and attempt at a moral high ground.

One day, you might find yourself on hard times and having to claim. Then you will be the target of such rubbish that comes out on here. But, I hope that never happens for you... I really do. Because it is a shit way to live, and to know how people see you. 0/10 recommended.

anyone receiving MA does not pay a penny towards the car they receive. The tax payer pays for it.

Only a basic car is 'free'. Anything more than that is paid for by the claimant.

The PIP benefit can be rather substantial so it's problematic where it's given to someone who is earning £100k. Reason being, how much does that benefit really support getting into work. It's hard to guage that.

There are others who don't work and are sick and disabled and need that benefit to cover living costs lost by not working. Not that this is covered because they don't ask.

FFS.
It is quite telling that some people here don’t seem to understand that working people pay for these benefits

You do realise that plenty of disabled people, in receipt of DLA and mobility allowance, are also 'working people', right? Paying taxes...that inevitably get spent on things you use...

That is not its purpose.

He could work and still get benefits... because PIP is not means tested, and even with ESA/UC you can work up to 16 hours/earn up to your work allowance and still get paid the full amount of benefits.

Anyone might find themselves in a position where they have to rely on benefits.

Doesn’t change the fact that their coffee will come courtesy of the tax payer.

There are no free cars. Everyone has to pay for the lease out of their PIP.

Many disabled people do not get any benefits. If you have a physical disability but can do basic care for yourself, you will get nothing.

By law employers have to make reasonable adjustments. I doubt that will change.

PIP Is not to support someone getting into work. It is to support someone living a "normal" life compared to their non-disabled counterparts.