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AIBU to be a bit sad that kids still grow up with such rigid gender stereotypes?

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Greywarden · 01/02/2025 13:03

This is something that has struck me lately. I'm interested to know what people think.

I'm a first-time mum to a DD who is about 18 months old. She still has fairly short hair - thick but not long enough to put in even a mini pigtail. Whilst she has some dresses and overtly pink / glittery things, she also has a lot of leggings / trousers and tops in blues and greens - most of them donated to me by a friend with an older DS. Unsurprisingly, when she wears these, a combination of the hair and the clothes leads people to often mistake DD for a little boy. This doesn't upset or offend me - whilst I think it's a bit of a shame that people assume / stereotype so easily, I know everyone makes snap judgements based on the information they have available and don't mean any harm by it. If it bothered me, I suppose I could stick a pink bow in DD's hair or something, but it doesn't.

The other week I was with my DD at soft play and this little girl - I reckon about 4 - started following us around and referring to DD as 'him' and saying 'why does that boy have a pink top?' and laughing. As ever, I wasn't offended at all but just gently corrected. This girl laughed and said 'no, he's a boy!' She kept going on about it - how 'he' must be a boy, and then she even went and told her mum that there was a boy dressed as a girl. That slightly annoyed me for some reason, although I told myself I was being stupid.

Today I was with my DD at a toddler dance class. A little boy of maybe 6 who was there with his mum and younger sister, just sort of hanging out, asked his mum why a boy was dancing. I heard his mum explain that he was actually talking about a little girl. This boy protested and said 'it's a boy' again and again and kept laughing and going on about it. He had also, of course, assumed that dance is only for girls.

Now I think about it, I can think of loads of other examples where kids I know of all ages - various friends' kids and relatives - have casually expressed really stereotypical stuff about boys and girls should be or should do.

I know these are kids who mean no harm and I would never be irritable or harsh with a kid making this sort of innocent mistake. It's just what they've learned from the world around them. I do find it interesting though, and a bit sad, that young kids today still seem to be growing up with such strong stereotypes about what a boy or a girl looks like or what activities they should do. There was plenty of this when I was a kid in the 90s - my DM made me cut my hair short when I was about 9 (not unreasonably as it was a tangled mess that I refused to look after) and in combination with my leg hair coming in early, I was mercilessly bullied for being a 'boy-girl' and 'lady boy'. But I do at least remember there being some degree of social acceptance of tomboys at school, at least if they were sporty. I also assumed from more make-up wearing, highly groomed men in popular culture that kids would be more relaxed about policing gender boundaries than they used to be, but it seems I was wrong.

YABU - it's ridiculous to be sad about this / there's no problem with traditional gender roles for kids

YANBU - it's a bit of a shame that these things are still so rigid in the minds of lots of kids

OP posts:
Octonaut4Life · 01/02/2025 13:07

It speaks to the attitudes they're hearing from their parents and families which is so depressing. We've always proactively spoken to DS about how boys or girls can wear or do what they want but every once in a while he's come home from school or nursery having heard that girls can't do this or boys can't wear that.

lifeturnsonadime · 01/02/2025 13:10

Trans activism has perpetuated stereotypes. Children are being taught that if they don't align with gender stereotypes they may be another gender.

It's worse now than ever.

BallerinaRadio · 01/02/2025 13:13

lifeturnsonadime · 01/02/2025 13:10

Trans activism has perpetuated stereotypes. Children are being taught that if they don't align with gender stereotypes they may be another gender.

It's worse now than ever.

I'm pretty sure no children are being 'taught' this but I'm getting this whole thread will be full of thinly veiled trans bashing 🙄

EmpressaurusKittyBella · 01/02/2025 13:16

Gender ideology being pushed by organisations like Mermaids and Allsorts has a lot to do with it - the stupid & dangerous ideas that a girl who likes having short hair must be a boy, & a boy who likes pretty dresses must be a girl.

There was an unspeakable idiot on one of the breakfast chat shows a while ago who had boy-girl twins. The boy ran around in short hair, T-shirts & shorts. The girl had long hair & impractical dresses & shoes. When she wanted to look the same as her brother, her parents didn’t think ‘Oh, she wants to be comfy & have less fuss about her appearance - they thought ‘Oh, she’s trans!’ Hmm

Snorlaxo · 01/02/2025 13:17

Gender stereotypes has massively narrowed thanks to trans activism. Now you are considered the opposite gender if you like something that is deemed for the opposite gender so a girl who likes football is considered a boy etc. It’s a matter of time before your dd is asked if she’s trans or really a boy which is sad.

FictionalCharacter · 01/02/2025 13:19

Yes I agree, it's awful. And we've gone way backwards in this respect since I was a teenager.

The little boy watching a dance class, and thinking it's only for girls, is a typical example. He has already learned that from his parents and people around him. He wouldn't think that way if his parents told him boys and girls can do what they want. We see it here on MN - mothers worrying about their son wanting to do ballet and asking "should I let him", when there are and have been extremely "manly" male dancers in the public eye (Carlos Acosta and Matthew Ball are two examples).

CloggingM3 · 01/02/2025 13:20

lifeturnsonadime · 01/02/2025 13:10

Trans activism has perpetuated stereotypes. Children are being taught that if they don't align with gender stereotypes they may be another gender.

It's worse now than ever.

This it’s worse than I was a kid. I would have been told I was a bit and to transition as I liked trousers and blue and STEM subjects. Nope I’m a woman who likes these things

BunfightBetty · 01/02/2025 13:21

lifeturnsonadime · 01/02/2025 13:10

Trans activism has perpetuated stereotypes. Children are being taught that if they don't align with gender stereotypes they may be another gender.

It's worse now than ever.

Agreed. When I was a small child in the 70s I was dressed in brown cord dungarees, dark green and blue trainers and clothes that now would be categorised as ‘boy’s’. I had a short haircut and played with dolls and also cars, trains and dinosaurs. As did many of my friends.

Now, toy shops have sections for boy’s toys and girl’s toys (pink sparkly unicorns etc). Clothing is stereotypically gendered once again. If children don’t conform to the stereotypes associated with their sex they’re in some cases given the idea they were ‘born in the wrong body’. This idea can only exist when we buy into the concept that there is strict segregation what is for males and what is for females. It’s an incredibly regressive stance.

It’s very sad and limiting for children of both sexes, as you intimate, OP.

We’re going backwards with this, not forward. It begs the question of why. Who is this for the benefit of?

Fencehedge · 01/02/2025 13:21

I think it's a massive entrenched problem and the cause of lots of sex/gender-based toxic, harmful behaviour.

TethersMiddle · 01/02/2025 13:21

It’s worse now than ever. I’m glad I grew up as a Tom boy when I did. I probably would have been transed today.

Peregrina · 01/02/2025 13:21

Let's stop referring to gender and call it sex, which is what it is.
But it's sad there is such strong sex stereo-typing.

lifeturnsonadime · 01/02/2025 13:24

BallerinaRadio · 01/02/2025 13:13

I'm pretty sure no children are being 'taught' this but I'm getting this whole thread will be full of thinly veiled trans bashing 🙄

You obviously have no idea what's been going on then!

EmpressaurusKittyBella · 01/02/2025 13:24

Peregrina · 01/02/2025 13:21

Let's stop referring to gender and call it sex, which is what it is.
But it's sad there is such strong sex stereo-typing.

It is sex, yes. But I think of gender as all the stereotypical crap piled on top of sex.

JandamiHash · 01/02/2025 13:27

YANBU and I think it’s getting worse. When I look back at pictures of me and my siblings in the 80’s I’m wearing the same clothes as my brothers, all the gender pink and blue nonsense never used to be a thing.

I also think gender reveals are problematic. It should be called a “What’s between their legs” reveal. And the way people act when for example they don’t get a boy is ridiculous. Because they don’t want a be-penised child they want a stereotype of a boy, and it makes me sad for the child if they turn out to not conform to the stereotype their parents imposed on them when they were still in utero

Fencehedge · 01/02/2025 13:29

JandamiHash · 01/02/2025 13:27

YANBU and I think it’s getting worse. When I look back at pictures of me and my siblings in the 80’s I’m wearing the same clothes as my brothers, all the gender pink and blue nonsense never used to be a thing.

I also think gender reveals are problematic. It should be called a “What’s between their legs” reveal. And the way people act when for example they don’t get a boy is ridiculous. Because they don’t want a be-penised child they want a stereotype of a boy, and it makes me sad for the child if they turn out to not conform to the stereotype their parents imposed on them when they were still in utero

Oh believe me, it was a thing in the 80s. I was excommunicated by my friends for having cropped hair and a male best friend. Uninvited from parties, shunned. It went on then and it goes on now.

lifeturnsonadime · 01/02/2025 13:30

Fencehedge · 01/02/2025 13:29

Oh believe me, it was a thing in the 80s. I was excommunicated by my friends for having cropped hair and a male best friend. Uninvited from parties, shunned. It went on then and it goes on now.

Wow where was this? In the UK?

Totally different from my experience!

HPandthelastwish · 01/02/2025 13:31

Oh it gets so much worse though OP

DD is well into her teens now. I have always been 'Toys are toys', shopping in the 'blue' and 'pink' section rather than 'girls' and 'boys' pairing dark, long boys shorts with whichever sparkly girls top she wanted or skirts with the boys dinosaur top. DD has always had control of her hair and has chosen to wear it short since year 1.

Throughout Primary she was referred to as a boy, fair enough most children are fairly androgenous at that age at first glance, it stopped a bit in year 6 when she started to develop.

But then the real issues started, because she had short hair, loved maths and science, happier in baggier clothes (stopped people commenting on her body) so ofcourse people started saying she must really be a boy in a girls body - I was prepared for this as I worked at a secondary school so knew it was likely to be coming and as DD is also autistic had spent lots of time exposing DD to strong, alternate looking women, androgenous women like Tilda Swindon etc.

Fortunately now we are well out of that, schools aren't pushing it as much and it's slowly falling out of favour and hopefully by the time your DD is older it will all be a bad dream. DD has her own Dark Academia style now and some awesome makeup skills and never gets mistaken for a boy.

Fencehedge · 01/02/2025 13:33

lifeturnsonadime · 01/02/2025 13:30

Wow where was this? In the UK?

Totally different from my experience!

Yes, SW UK

PandoraSox · 01/02/2025 13:39

Fencehedge · 01/02/2025 13:29

Oh believe me, it was a thing in the 80s. I was excommunicated by my friends for having cropped hair and a male best friend. Uninvited from parties, shunned. It went on then and it goes on now.

Short hair on women was really common in the 80s, though?

JandamiHash · 01/02/2025 13:40

Fencehedge · 01/02/2025 13:29

Oh believe me, it was a thing in the 80s. I was excommunicated by my friends for having cropped hair and a male best friend. Uninvited from parties, shunned. It went on then and it goes on now.

My mum had cropped hair and male friends in the 80’s and never got ex communicated. I believe cropped hair was very in

Fencehedge · 01/02/2025 13:44

JandamiHash · 01/02/2025 13:40

My mum had cropped hair and male friends in the 80’s and never got ex communicated. I believe cropped hair was very in

Oh well I must be lying then?! She obviously wasn't in my primary school, which is the age being discussed in the OP 🙄

Greywarden · 01/02/2025 13:46

BallerinaRadio · 01/02/2025 13:13

I'm pretty sure no children are being 'taught' this but I'm getting this whole thread will be full of thinly veiled trans bashing 🙄

@BallerinaRadio I don't want to encourage trans-bashing and if this ends up being what dominates the thread, I'm sorry for posting.

That said, @HPandthelastwish that does sound horrendous.

I have no issue with anyone being trans or expressing themselves. I do, however, wish that people would not stereotype so much and try to force people to fit their ideas of what a boy or a girl should be - or assume automatically that someone must be trans just because they don't conform to that.

A fair few people have voted that I am being unreasonable. I would love to know why. I am really interested in what everyone thinks, not just people who agree with me!

OP posts:
Fencehedge · 01/02/2025 13:48

PandoraSox · 01/02/2025 13:39

Short hair on women was really common in the 80s, though?

I wasn't a woman, I was a child.

Do you not believe me? Both children and adults assumed I was a boy in the 80s, for having cropped hair.

lifeturnsonadime · 01/02/2025 13:48

Fencehedge · 01/02/2025 13:44

Oh well I must be lying then?! She obviously wasn't in my primary school, which is the age being discussed in the OP 🙄

Edited

I don't think you're lying, I just don't think this was the norm in the UK. At the time short hair was common, think Princess Diana.

Certainly gender non-conforming teen girls weren't saying they were non- binary and wanting double mastectomies.

My daughter is 15 now, she's fairly gender non conforming as she plays cricket and doesn't do make up. But I can't think of a single teen girl that has short hair who doesn't either identify as a boy or being non binary.

lifeturnsonadime · 01/02/2025 13:49

No one is trans bashing though, we are just talking about the impacts of gender ideology on enforcing stereotypes.

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