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AIBU not to arrange my days off around the requirements of the window cleaner?

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FailyDail · 31/01/2025 14:29

We’ve had the same window cleaner throughout the nearly 3yrs we’ve lived in our home. We ‘inherited’ them from the previous occupants and until now there’s been no issue.

Me & my husband are hybrid workers so there’s usually one of us WFH mon-Thurs.
The window cleaners, led by ‘Nigel’ didn’t have a set pattern and would just turn up at some point once a month, someone would usually be in. They’d wash the windows, we’d pay, that’s the end of it.

The last few times maybe 3-4, bearing in mind it’s monthly, he’s come on a Friday when usually no-one is home; husband in office I’m on a day off and usually out; I go to gym straight after school drop off then whatever else I need to do out and about.
I therefore come home to a note that they’ve been. Of relevance, if no one is in Nigel &co can’t get round the back, so only do the front and therefore charge half the usual price.

Nigel does the rounds collecting cash, which we pay, in the evening. I did ask about bank transfer but he ‘doesn’t do that’.
Again no issues with this - until today.

Today (being Friday) I was walking out of the school gates on my way to the gym.
Nigel was doing the windows of a house by the school, on a trajectory to eventually get to my road.
He spotted me and called me and I trotted over.
He announced to me that I hadn’t been in the last few times they’d done our windows. This is true!
I was slightly surprised he recognised me and had seemed to have memorised my presence or otherwise during window cleaning.
I agreed with him, slightly baffled not knowing where this is going. I thought it was about the payment.
We always pay up immediately when he does his collection rounds (or at the time if we’re in).

He then asked if I’d be in this morning, I said no told him I was going into the village. He wanted to know when I’d be back. I didn’t know. After gym I had a parcel to collect, usually have a little mooch around the shops might get some groceries, basically didn’t want to be held to a time (also, why??).
I’m getting annoyed with him now.

He then says ‘Doris says you’re off on Fridays’ ‘Doris’ being my ndn. I’m not sure what he thought the relevance of this is but he said it very accusingly almost like a ‘gotcha’

I just said ‘yes I am so I’m almost never going to home on Friday’, and went to walk off.

This is where his actual reason for all this questioning is revealed:

Basically his only access to the backs of our whole row of houses on the road is through our attached side garage.
If he can’t use our access he can only clean the fronts, and only charge half for everyone on the row.
I usually unlock the garage doors from the inside, Nigel and co troop through and do the back and the use everyone’s single storey back extension roofs to travel along the whole row. Thinking about it I now realise they come back and out through our garage afterwards, close the door behind them then I pop out and lock it after them.
Without over explaining he can’t access the rear of the other houses without going through the houses themselves, ladders buckets boots and all.

So after him explaining this to me, I think I was meant to say “gosh I didn’t realise, I’ll cancel my plans and go home and wait until your arrival”. Which I didn’t. I just said we’re usually in every day but Friday but if he persists with Friday I usually won’t be in.
He then asks (again) what time I’m usually back on Friday and I just say I’m out all day now, because by this point I cba.
He’s not exactly aggressive, but clearly quite annoyed about my lack of acquiescence and inconsideration of his requirements.
He just says ‘so you’ll be out again this morning then?’ As if this is just unbelievably selfish of me.

I walked off at this point but I’ve now decided I’m just going to cancel him and see what life is like without clean windows, perhaps hire the other chap who advertises on Facebook sometimes.
And Nigel can work out how to access his other customer’s windows without my help on Friday or any other week day.
Only issue is I don’t have Nigel’s number so will have to have another unpleasant face to face conversation.

YABU - you should just make sure you’re home on Friday morning to let Nigel in.

YANBU - continue to use your days off as you see fit and also fire Nigel.

OP posts:
Rocksaltrita · 31/01/2025 15:41

Windows cleaned, card through the door, online bank transfer. Job done. Get rid of Nigel!

mrsm43s · 31/01/2025 15:43

Why not just say "I'm not in on Fridays, I'm usually in on a *day"?

This seems an awful lot of drama about a non event!

StressedLP1 · 31/01/2025 15:44

I’ve cleaned my windows twice in 8 years. The upstairs ones never as I can’t be bothered at all reach. I can still see out of them. HTH!

TomatoSandwiches · 31/01/2025 15:44

It's quite clear from previous Fridays and you mentioning they are your days off that you are busy on Fridays, he just wanted you to make his life easier by pinning down a time which you do not have to do at all.
He can have a chin wag with Doris and traipse through her door if they want to keep using Nigel.

WiddlinDiddlin · 31/01/2025 15:48

Haven't had a window cleaner in over a decade due to one epic twat who couldn't just knock on the door so I could move the dogs around and scared the shit out of my very nervous rescue dog one too many times (I was at that point in every day).

We do it ourselves when we can be arsed, windows don't look especially grubby from the outside and for various reasons we don't actually look out of them from the inside much anyway (except for the patio doors which are kept cleaned more regularly) as the view is onto a cul-de-sac full of cars and cats and not a lot else!

Sack Nigel and he can find his own way round to clean everyone elses windows.

IamnotSethRogan · 31/01/2025 15:50

Yeah it's a bit of a baffling system. Our window cleaner texts everyone at the start of the week with the day he'll be doing and then texts again the night before to ask us to leave the gate unlocked.

Like you've said, you're not available on a Friday so he should work another day out though if he was a bit of a twat you're well within your rights to cancel him altogether.

Sunnyplain · 31/01/2025 15:51

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BarnacleBeasley · 31/01/2025 15:55

WiddlinDiddlin · 31/01/2025 15:48

Haven't had a window cleaner in over a decade due to one epic twat who couldn't just knock on the door so I could move the dogs around and scared the shit out of my very nervous rescue dog one too many times (I was at that point in every day).

We do it ourselves when we can be arsed, windows don't look especially grubby from the outside and for various reasons we don't actually look out of them from the inside much anyway (except for the patio doors which are kept cleaned more regularly) as the view is onto a cul-de-sac full of cars and cats and not a lot else!

Sack Nigel and he can find his own way round to clean everyone elses windows.

We had amazing window cleaners when our dog was a puppy. He used to get scared even hearing the clank of ladders down the road, so we had a deal where they would ring the doorbell, and if we were in they'd give him a cuddle then we'd go and look out of the window with him while shovelling chicken down his throat. If we were out they'd only do the front windows, so he could chill out at the back of the house, and charge us half price. Counter-conditioning took a really long time as they only came once a month and sometimes we weren't there, but now he is not bothered at all and quite likes them!

coldcallerbaiter · 31/01/2025 15:56

Hugmorecats · 31/01/2025 15:25

I've bought myself a window cleaning kit off Amazon, as I can't be bothered with all the back and forth emails needed to find a window cleaner around here.

Same, my windows look streaky though!

plus on an admittedly irrational note, I never trusted window cleaners since I was a child as one tipped off burglars about whereabouts and belongings and when we spoke to the police, they said it actually was common.

Wingedharpy · 31/01/2025 16:05

I'm more concerned about your neighbours trapped in their homes with only 1 way out.
A diagram would be appreciated OP, when you've got time. 😉

LightCameraBitchSmile · 31/01/2025 16:06

mrsm43s · 31/01/2025 15:43

Why not just say "I'm not in on Fridays, I'm usually in on a *day"?

This seems an awful lot of drama about a non event!

You mean, like this? "I just said we’re usually in every day but Friday but if he persists with Friday I usually won’t be in."

latetothefisting · 31/01/2025 16:09

Anonym00se · 31/01/2025 14:58

To be fair to Nigel, unless you said explicitly “I don’t want my windows cleaned any more” he’s going to assumed that you do and try and arrange a mutually convenient time to do it. It seems that you don’t want this, but for some reason you don’t want to tell him this. It sounds like crossed wires.

yeah, this, tbh
Most people would want their front and back windows washed, so he assumes you would to, (as indeed you have done whenever you've actually been in) and therefore wants to work out a time that you are in so he can do it. The fact he can also then wash your neighbours' back windows is obviously a bonus for him but asking in itself isn't rude, and makes sense - it seems to be the way he asked that's the issue.

Particularly given the fact he is benefitting from being able to use your rear access, you think he'd be a bit more polite and just proactively ask you when he last came to get payment 'what's the best time for me to visit when you'll definitely be in?' but tone is subjective, perhaps he didn't realise how he was coming across.

Saying that it does seem like a weird set up. Got to say I wouldn't be happy about a random group of cleaners climbing over my extension at completely random times. What if there's a house in the middle that doesn't use him, surely he's trespassing if he climbs across?

Missionimprobable · 31/01/2025 16:11

@FailyDail
Nothing helpful to add, just popped on to say I enjoyed your op after a crap day at work 😉

StressedLP1 · 31/01/2025 16:12

latetothefisting · 31/01/2025 16:09

yeah, this, tbh
Most people would want their front and back windows washed, so he assumes you would to, (as indeed you have done whenever you've actually been in) and therefore wants to work out a time that you are in so he can do it. The fact he can also then wash your neighbours' back windows is obviously a bonus for him but asking in itself isn't rude, and makes sense - it seems to be the way he asked that's the issue.

Particularly given the fact he is benefitting from being able to use your rear access, you think he'd be a bit more polite and just proactively ask you when he last came to get payment 'what's the best time for me to visit when you'll definitely be in?' but tone is subjective, perhaps he didn't realise how he was coming across.

Saying that it does seem like a weird set up. Got to say I wouldn't be happy about a random group of cleaners climbing over my extension at completely random times. What if there's a house in the middle that doesn't use him, surely he's trespassing if he climbs across?

‘being able to use your rear access’

fnarr 🤭

usernother · 31/01/2025 16:14

Our window cleaner texts us the night before he is coming so we can leave the gate open for the next day. Could you ask yours to do that for you?

JC03745 · 31/01/2025 16:15

So the crux of his problem is, not being able to access your neighbours back windows (unless through their homes) so he is only getting a half pay?

Nigel does the rounds collecting cash, which we pay, in the evening. I did ask about bank transfer but he ‘doesn’t do that’.
Sound quite lucrative to be getting cash in hand for EVERY job!

He doesn't text before coming and just randomly turns up! I'd hate that! Try finding him on next door or maybe Doris has a contact for him! If they were using your garage for access to all the neighbours, why after 3yrs didn't you know this? Didn't they seem to be in your garden for ages?

'Hi Nigel, Its clear our arrangement isn't working for you. We'd don't want to muck you around, so we won't be needing your services anymore.' or, you could add something about the difficulty in getting cash and it just doesn't work for that reason also.

CF can then work out how to get to the neighbours back windows.

Out of interest, what does a window cleaner charge?

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 31/01/2025 16:18

I'd cancel Nigel. You quite reasonably don't want to guarantee to be in on a particular day so that he can clean your neighbours' windows.
In Nigel's defence, if he turns up approximately when he says he will each month and does a good job on the windows, he's not all bad. He just hasn't thought through what he's really expecting from you, or realised that he's much more likely to get what he wants by changing to a non-Friday and keeping you as a customer.

lazyarse123 · 31/01/2025 16:19

Anonym00se · 31/01/2025 14:58

To be fair to Nigel, unless you said explicitly “I don’t want my windows cleaned any more” he’s going to assumed that you do and try and arrange a mutually convenient time to do it. It seems that you don’t want this, but for some reason you don’t want to tell him this. It sounds like crossed wires.

She literally told him someone is in every day except Friday. He's just being an arse. Sack him off op.

Herefortheentertainment · 31/01/2025 16:24

My window cleaner texts on the morning he’s going to clean windows in our area. We text back whether we’ll be in or out. If we’re going out we leave the side gate unlocked. Simple solution.

latetothefisting · 31/01/2025 16:28

StressedLP1 · 31/01/2025 16:12

‘being able to use your rear access’

fnarr 🤭

I did think that when I was writing it but the alternatives were just as bad - don't want strange men climbing over your rear extension, etc. 😂

mouse70 · 31/01/2025 16:31

Lived in my house since 1981 The outside of the windows have NEVER been cleaned.

zingally · 31/01/2025 16:32

What a palaver.

Honestly, I'd just shrug and carry on with my day.

I've inherited a window cleaner from the old owner as well, who came today as it happens. He just appeared randomly one day in October when I happened to be off work for the day, so I was able to speak to him. I then expected him back the first week of January... So it seems he plays pretty fast and loose with his scheduling.

It's a bit suss that your guy doesn't accept bank transfer! My guy likes cash if we're home, but if we're out and he misses us, a bank transfer is fine.
My back windows are also inaccessible. So my guy climbs over my garage!

muddyford · 31/01/2025 16:33

latetothefisting · 31/01/2025 16:28

I did think that when I was writing it but the alternatives were just as bad - don't want strange men climbing over your rear extension, etc. 😂

A friend had an annex, the occupants of which she always referred to as 'the couple living in my back passage.'

Screamingabdabz · 31/01/2025 16:34

But he’s a man. And you’ve got a day off. So it follows that as you’re only a woman, his wants and needs are far more important.

YANBU. And well done for not be a people-pleasing wet wipe which is what he was relying on.

shellyleppard · 31/01/2025 16:34

I've had the same window cleaners for 12 years..... they are retiring soon 😱