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14yo odd quiz at school- do I complain

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Cornecopia · 31/01/2025 07:01

My ds came home yesterday and said that he had to fill in an online form ( not just him the whole of his year) and the questions were- what is your sexual orientation, are you comfortable in your gender, have you had sexual experiences, have you ever sent or received inappropriate pictures.
I understand some questions are safeguarding views. But bloody hell the sexual orientation etc why on earth is that relevant to my sons schooling?? I just feel his privacy has been really invaded and he doesn’t know himself whether he’s is straight/gay or whatever- I did ask him if there was. ‘Prefer not to say’ option and he said yes but the teacher said not to use that!
I just don’t really know what to think about it all

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Goldenbear · 31/01/2025 10:31

School's not 'school's'

Goldenbear · 31/01/2025 10:33

RaspberryCombat · 31/01/2025 10:21

I’m a former social researcher (used to design and crunch numbers from surveys like this for a living) and yes, definitely complain. All questionnaires like this require participants’ informed consent. If your son didn’t understand what the purpose of the form was or how his answers would be used, was told he had to participate and was prevented from choosing ‘prefer not to answer’, then he didn’t have informed consent. In a way it is the teachers’ fault in that they should have passed on all that info and allowed him to opt out, BUT teachers have their own job to do and this isn’t it! It’s the job of the researchers to make sure the form is going to be properly administered, so ultimately it’s their failure.

Ask to see a copy of the questionnaire and get in touch with the body who made it - again, their details ought to be there on the opening page of the questionnaire as part of the consent process - and tell them about how the school are administering the survey.

This is lazy research. It relies on the fact that the children are sitting ducks and will do what they are told to in school, when in fact they have as much right as adults do to opt out. It is also arguably more sensitive for children to take part as they are more likely to be in the middle of working out the answers to questions such as their sexual orientation. Also, any adult would be allowed to complete this in privacy whereas I bet in a classroom setting people could overlook each other’s answers if they wanted to, raising the possibility of bullying.

Yes exactly, explicit Consent should be the lawful basis, the OP's child not having a clue, suggests they haven't secured this at all!

Goldenbear · 31/01/2025 10:35

Actually the school as a Data Controller should have carried the due diligence and understood the implications of no explicit consent, no privacy to complete the survey etc.

RaspberryCombat · 31/01/2025 10:39

Goldenbear · 31/01/2025 10:35

Actually the school as a Data Controller should have carried the due diligence and understood the implications of no explicit consent, no privacy to complete the survey etc.

True. I had not thought about it from the perspective of the school’s GDPR responsibilities.

TimeForSpring · 31/01/2025 10:43

Year 9?
We've been told they are going to do an NHS one, but that we can withdraw our child if desired. We haven't been told the contents of the questions tho.
If is a national one, I think you should have the opportunity to withdraw. If you really want to object, I'd start with asked for the reasoning behind the questions, and what is going to be done with the data, and take it from there.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/01/2025 10:46

ExtraOnions · 31/01/2025 10:01

I am quite astounded that people don’t think these things are spoken about in playgrounds etc, all the time. Do you think your child will have never had sexuality alluded to, in any way, in any conversation with friends ?

I’m a Governor at a Catholic school we have gay students, ones that identify as Trans, hetro .. we have children with LGBT parents and siblings. The environment at school needs to be inclusive, and we need to make sure thar students feel safe regardless of sexuality.

Young people are much more open to discussing this stuff that the older generation, it would seem.

Maybe have a look at this Mumsnet thread @ExtraOnions about the BeeWell survey (which is imposed on children in many schools) and the numerous issues, including the creators intention to link children's responses with their future adult NHS health data. It's a money making project for the creators that piggybacks on "good intentions" to share data. Arguably children can't give informed consent to the use of their data in this way.

Ensuring a school is "inclusive" is not about boasting about the range of sexualities in a school. It's about schools being places of educational excellence, places of safety with rigorous safeguarding and other child focused policies where children learn and develop positive relationships. Oh and where governors take a critical view of any outside organisation that wants to access children, ensuring that the the children & school are not being used to promote adult theories of queer theory under the guise of inclusivity.

Littoralzone · 31/01/2025 10:48

In a way it is the teachers’ fault in that they should have passed on all that info and allowed him to opt out, BUT teachers have their own job to do and this isn’t it!

This too. The teachers job is not to spend class time carrying out surveys for researchers.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/01/2025 10:53

Opps - forgot to link the thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5209872-the-beewell-survey

GinBlossom94 · 31/01/2025 11:23

They are pointless, all my DC and their friends just filled them out randomly as they all decided the questions were actually nobody else's business

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 31/01/2025 11:32

pp's have made a good point about GDPR especially as a school governor @ExtraOnions The survey collects "sensitive personal information about children" under GDPR (one of the most demanding categories of data!) and if it's done badly the school carries the can.

You can't just assume "kids talk about sexuality etc in the playground so it's all OK" and you can't assume everything about the survey protocol and data management is OK either.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/childrens-information/children-and-the-uk-gdpr/

caringcarer · 31/01/2025 12:01

The teacher had no right to say not to use the prefer not to say option. I might complain to the teacher who said that.

Littoralzone · 31/01/2025 12:24

In terms of consent, to be free consent and not coerced the pupils would have to have been given another option of activity of equal interest to them, ie not to have been discouraged by being told to just sit or do something they didn’t like or singled them out. Of course if the other option is school work then why aren’t all the pupils doing that instead?

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 31/01/2025 12:28

Littoralzone · 31/01/2025 12:24

In terms of consent, to be free consent and not coerced the pupils would have to have been given another option of activity of equal interest to them, ie not to have been discouraged by being told to just sit or do something they didn’t like or singled them out. Of course if the other option is school work then why aren’t all the pupils doing that instead?

If the survey is of no interest to them, then being told to just sit there is probably of equal interest and a suitable alternative

Lilly1771 · 31/01/2025 12:30

It's not new or part of a trans agenda, I filled out something very similar every year at secondary school in the early-mid nineties.

Littoralzone · 31/01/2025 12:31

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 31/01/2025 12:28

If the survey is of no interest to them, then being told to just sit there is probably of equal interest and a suitable alternative

Why is spending class time just sitting doing nothing a suitable use of time?

ExtraOnions · 31/01/2025 12:32

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 31/01/2025 11:32

pp's have made a good point about GDPR especially as a school governor @ExtraOnions The survey collects "sensitive personal information about children" under GDPR (one of the most demanding categories of data!) and if it's done badly the school carries the can.

You can't just assume "kids talk about sexuality etc in the playground so it's all OK" and you can't assume everything about the survey protocol and data management is OK either.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/childrens-information/children-and-the-uk-gdpr/

Schools already hold a lot of sensitive data about the students they have …I doubt they have made a massive faux pas with this.

I’ve never heard so much consternation about something so minor

Littoralzone · 31/01/2025 12:36

ExtraOnions · 31/01/2025 12:32

Schools already hold a lot of sensitive data about the students they have …I doubt they have made a massive faux pas with this.

I’ve never heard so much consternation about something so minor

Why don’t you think that? In Scotland several councils have opted out of the survey because they don’t think it appropriate.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/01/2025 12:42

ExtraOnions · 31/01/2025 12:32

Schools already hold a lot of sensitive data about the students they have …I doubt they have made a massive faux pas with this.

I’ve never heard so much consternation about something so minor

Concerns about children giving informed consent about the use of their personal data - including data about the sexual orientation of those below the age of consent isn't minor.

The use of this type of personal data, knowing who's behind the data capture and their plans / resource opportunities is important. Checking that the questionnaires aren't being used to promote acceptance of certain contested political ideologies is a legitimate concern.

You'd hope that those responsible for schools (SLT & governors) are open to using their critical thinking skills to investigate and reassure parents - rather than dismissing legitimate issues as "so much consternation about something so minor".

CurlewKate · 31/01/2025 12:50

I'm assuming this is anonymised data?

Boopeedoop · 31/01/2025 13:05

I remember doing something very similar in psre class about 32 years ago. Although gender orientation wasn't a question, smoking, sex, secual orientation were definitely on there.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 31/01/2025 13:54

ExtraOnions · 31/01/2025 12:32

Schools already hold a lot of sensitive data about the students they have …I doubt they have made a massive faux pas with this.

I’ve never heard so much consternation about something so minor

And I am sure your own school are very careful what they do with that data. But not all schools are so careful. And sometimes people assume things are being done acceptably when they are not. People can be funny about surveys - "It's anonymous so it must be fine" is a common naive assumption. So is "everyone else is doing it so it must be fine". I'm surprised you're so dismissive because a "minor" parental concern can be like a "canary in the coalmine".

As a school governor do you get any GDPR training? If you don't I'd arrange for some. 30 years ago it might not have mattered, it very much does now.

Littoralzone · 31/01/2025 13:58

30 years ago GDPR didn’t exist. Neither did the computing power to link up desperate data sources each containing huge amounts of data on individuals.

TheCatsTongue · 31/01/2025 15:03

GDPR is very much about if the data filled in makes someone personally identifiable. If the data contains no personally identifiable information then they can do whatever they want with it. In a school environment someone stating their sexual orientation won't make them identifiable and thus control over the data is much less and they can reuse the data however they wish.

If name, address, email address etc is used GDPR comes into play and the data is much more strictly controlled.

Personally I always dreaded that something like this may have happened when I was at school. I wouldn't have wanted any different treatment due to my sexual orientation.

Goldenbear · 31/01/2025 15:03

ExtraOnions · 31/01/2025 12:32

Schools already hold a lot of sensitive data about the students they have …I doubt they have made a massive faux pas with this.

I’ve never heard so much consternation about something so minor

Yes, the hold alot of sensitive data but this isn't holding it, this is processing it for a survey which is going to be optional i.e. explicit, informed Consent not some, 'opt out' permission slip via your parents.

Littoralzone · 31/01/2025 15:29

TheCatsTongue · 31/01/2025 15:03

GDPR is very much about if the data filled in makes someone personally identifiable. If the data contains no personally identifiable information then they can do whatever they want with it. In a school environment someone stating their sexual orientation won't make them identifiable and thus control over the data is much less and they can reuse the data however they wish.

If name, address, email address etc is used GDPR comes into play and the data is much more strictly controlled.

Personally I always dreaded that something like this may have happened when I was at school. I wouldn't have wanted any different treatment due to my sexual orientation.

Data can be identifiable not just from name, address and email. School, year group, sex, sibling profile, race, faith, etc can together make children identifiable. Plus the survey mentioned by PP was proposing linking with adult medical records which mean they were not anonymous.