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I claim pip and esa ask me anything

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Plopandflop · 30/01/2025 12:34

I lot has been said on here about benefits and people who claim them and supposed how easy it is. I claim pip and esa because I have epilepsy and narcolepsy. My husband has just been diagnosed with MS and is currently going through the process.
I also used to work for a disability charity who supported disabled people to claim benefits so I have quite a bit of knowledge about how the process is for people with different disabilities.
there is a lot of misconception out there so if anyone would like to ask me anything about the process, or my disability or how the process made me feel or how I feel now being on benefits please do.

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TallulahBetty · 31/01/2025 10:25

AlmostAJillSandwich · 31/01/2025 01:30

Are you as shit scared as me about the migration to UC from support group ESA? i got the dreaded letter last week, so my ESA is now officially closed and i get my last ever payment next tuesday.
I am now in limbo not knowing if i will auto convert to LCWRA and get the £500 something a month element on top of the £393 standard rate because i was in the support group, or if i'm going to have to have an assessment in the next few weeks where they could decide i don't meet their qualifying and only get graded LCW, which means no added element and a loss of £240 a month i can't afford.

I'm either going to be about £150 a month better off, or £240 a month worse off. I can't find information anywhere if i'm guaranteed that even if a reassessment only puts me at LCW, the transitional protection still applies and they can't pay me less than what i was getting on ESA, or if a reassessment would count as exactly that, and that protection is void.

You will have been given 3 months' notice to change to UC. Bity misleading to say you got 'the letter' last week and your final ESA payment is next week.

EmmaMaria · 31/01/2025 11:48

TallulahBetty · 31/01/2025 10:20

Do you understand the concept of an 'AMA'?

Yes thank you. That does not mean that people have the right to be intrusive - the amount of benefit the OP gets has no relevance to claiming ESA or PIP, and if you spend any time on this site at all you will know that the majority of threads about disability end up as "people living the life of luxury", "there's nothing wrong with them at all" and being "benefit frauds". Nobody needed to know how much the OP's income was.

xsammi · 31/01/2025 12:04

Plopandflop · 31/01/2025 02:48

A few people have asked some things about the pip assessment.

yes I have seen successful claims for ADHD.

there are a lot of horror stories and yes some assessors are bad (and yes I have heard of them asking how long someone has had a disability that you would be born with)
but some are really good.

I would always ask for the assessment to be taped and you no longer have to provide the equipment for this. You used to have to provide 2 identical recording divides believe it or not so 2 copies could be done at the same time.

i have heard assessors finding peoples education against them but I have not found this myself. Maybe because the disability started after I had left uni. For the person asking what quals I have the top one is a degree in disability studies.

don’t let the assessor tell you that the person you are supporting has to do all the talking . That is tosh.

if you are not happy with any element of the assessment complain straight away.

one company I would advice using is fightback for justice. I used their VIP service which you can ring for advice over the phone and they have loads of sample forms for different disabilities that really help. it’s £11 a month for the VIP service but it it worth it’s weight in gold (I have no affiliation to them I have just used them)

also if anyone goes to CAB and they tell you to always describe your worst day tell them that is bollocks. You have to give an overview.

Do you have any specific tips for ADHD given it is a neurodevelopmental condition typically managed (to a point) with medication and the claim success rates are lower than average? What sort of evidence are you supposed to submit beyond a formal diagnosis?

LadyKenya · 31/01/2025 12:10

I wonder if this thread is having the desired effect, in that it would change some peoples minds, regarding the process of benefits being easy to claim, for disabled people. I think that the opposite is true, but I am not the one judging disabled claimants.

TallulahBetty · 31/01/2025 12:25

EmmaMaria · 31/01/2025 11:48

Yes thank you. That does not mean that people have the right to be intrusive - the amount of benefit the OP gets has no relevance to claiming ESA or PIP, and if you spend any time on this site at all you will know that the majority of threads about disability end up as "people living the life of luxury", "there's nothing wrong with them at all" and being "benefit frauds". Nobody needed to know how much the OP's income was.

"Ask me ANYTHING"

The OP doesn't have to answer it - but it doesn't make the question wrong or inappropriate.

MonstroElisasue · 31/01/2025 15:57

We’ve been claiming UC since October, my DH has terminal cancer. They’re still conducting ‘fit for work’ interviews. They do them on the phone because he’s too sick to get to the job centre. It’s insane! They’ve had his medical info since the start and we’re still waiting for LCWRA.

Im so sorry @Rachie1973, the whole process is so stressful, I hope it's gets backdated without any trouble too .

Locutus2000 · 31/01/2025 16:12

AlmostAJillSandwich · 31/01/2025 01:30

Are you as shit scared as me about the migration to UC from support group ESA? i got the dreaded letter last week, so my ESA is now officially closed and i get my last ever payment next tuesday.
I am now in limbo not knowing if i will auto convert to LCWRA and get the £500 something a month element on top of the £393 standard rate because i was in the support group, or if i'm going to have to have an assessment in the next few weeks where they could decide i don't meet their qualifying and only get graded LCW, which means no added element and a loss of £240 a month i can't afford.

I'm either going to be about £150 a month better off, or £240 a month worse off. I can't find information anywhere if i'm guaranteed that even if a reassessment only puts me at LCW, the transitional protection still applies and they can't pay me less than what i was getting on ESA, or if a reassessment would count as exactly that, and that protection is void.

Do you receive PIP? It has a significant effect on ESA because of the Severe Disability Premium - this doesn't exist on UC so the vast majority of transitional protection is due to this.

I sincerely doubt you will be better off in this case, and the transitional protection is eroded with time making us all worse off.

MonstroElisasue · 31/01/2025 16:15

octopusenergyfree50 · 31/01/2025 04:18

@MonstroElisasue
I haven't read the whole thread so not sure if anyone has told you but this isn't right. I was in support group contributions based ESA and moved to UC. You should not be reassessed, it should just carry straight over but no one seems to have bothered to tell the job centre staff that!
When you move over the CAB have a helpline you can call. If you call them, confirm that you shouldn't be reassessed and then take that info into the job centre they should sort it out for you.
There are special regulations for this but I cant remember the name of it you will find it in google or benefits and work website

Thank you for taking the time to reply to me. It's actually citizens advice who have been one of the people who told me it's no guarantee but I will contact them again. I think I might need help with the forms anyway.

Locutus2000 · 31/01/2025 16:20

MonstroElisasue · 31/01/2025 16:15

Thank you for taking the time to reply to me. It's actually citizens advice who have been one of the people who told me it's no guarantee but I will contact them again. I think I might need help with the forms anyway.

There are special regulations for this but I cant remember the name of it you will find it in google or benefits and work website

Complex Needs I believe.

EmmaMaria · 31/01/2025 17:54

TallulahBetty · 31/01/2025 12:25

"Ask me ANYTHING"

The OP doesn't have to answer it - but it doesn't make the question wrong or inappropriate.

And it also doesn't make me wrong! It is rude and intrusive to ask someone about their income.

JaceLancs · 31/01/2025 18:28

@Plopandflop - I’m guessing you must live in a similar area to me
As well as fight back for justice and Disability Equality North West have a look at ICANN - face to face services in the North West and telephone online services across England and Wales www.i-cann.net

XenoBitch · 31/01/2025 18:38

It was "Ask me anything", not "ask me anything except my income".
Many people have no clue as to what people get on PIP and ESA/UC. There is a misconception that people claiming it are raking it in, and getting tens of thousands in benefits a year.
There are always comments on any thread about benefits, where you always get someone who knows their hairdresser's dog's neighbours' aunt who gets £50k in benefits, has a Range Rover and goes on fancy holidays all the time.
Maybe someone saying what the reality actually is, will put those myths to bed.

OP has said once her DH has his benefits sorted out, they will get about £2000 between them. That is way less than a couple that are both working NMW.

FortunateCatsGlugDaquirisAllEveningBlindly · 01/02/2025 11:05

XenoBitch · 31/01/2025 10:07

I am the one who asked OP if she declared her jewellery business earnings... and if you read my post it was because I was considering similar.
It was not a dig at her at all, and I am rather hurt you think that it was.
I have a friend on ESA who does not declare her earnings as she is under the misguided belief that it is about the hours worked and not the money. There is no permitted work rule under UC (which is what I am on). I wondered if the rules for ESA and UC were different.
The whole process just seemed complicated to me, so I just gift stuff away now.

@XenoBitch
Hi sorry, I was referring solely to PIP, which isn’t means tested. I didn’t really think about ESA.
I volunteered briefly for CAB until two of the other volunteers thought that because I was being assessed for ASD (the volunteer Co-ordinator told them, and yep, I have that too), I may be bothersome as a volunteer, because they ‘didn’t get along with’ another volunteer on the spectrum and I would turn out to be like him.😳
Yes, I swear this was CAB.
I hope this might be of some use so you don’t have to keep on gifting.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/employment-and-support-allowance/while-youre-getting-esa/working-while-getting-esa/

Work you can do while getting ESA

While you’re getting Employment Support Allowance (ESA) you might be able to do some types of work. Check what work you can do while you’re getting ESA.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/employment-and-support-allowance/while-youre-getting-esa/working-while-getting-esa

EmmaMaria · 01/02/2025 11:25

XenoBitch · 31/01/2025 18:38

It was "Ask me anything", not "ask me anything except my income".
Many people have no clue as to what people get on PIP and ESA/UC. There is a misconception that people claiming it are raking it in, and getting tens of thousands in benefits a year.
There are always comments on any thread about benefits, where you always get someone who knows their hairdresser's dog's neighbours' aunt who gets £50k in benefits, has a Range Rover and goes on fancy holidays all the time.
Maybe someone saying what the reality actually is, will put those myths to bed.

OP has said once her DH has his benefits sorted out, they will get about £2000 between them. That is way less than a couple that are both working NMW.

Have it your way. It is absolutely ok to ask total strangers their income for no better reason than prurient interest. So I asked that poster their income - I presume they will now answer. I'd also like to know what yours is?

And if you think that telling people what benefit income is will stop the hate, then you are very naive.

bigvig · 01/02/2025 11:41

I think this causes so much resentment because benefits have gone up and wages have stagnated. The OP has said that her and her partner get rough 2000 a month plus both have part time work. As a very conservative estimate they'll be getting over 3000 a month after any tax - which is likely to be zero. You'd have to earn over £50,000 to get that. Their take home is more than mine as FT teacher. I'm a single parent entitled to bugger all and pay well over 1000 a month in tax.

kitteninabasket · 01/02/2025 12:26

bigvig · 01/02/2025 11:41

I think this causes so much resentment because benefits have gone up and wages have stagnated. The OP has said that her and her partner get rough 2000 a month plus both have part time work. As a very conservative estimate they'll be getting over 3000 a month after any tax - which is likely to be zero. You'd have to earn over £50,000 to get that. Their take home is more than mine as FT teacher. I'm a single parent entitled to bugger all and pay well over 1000 a month in tax.

Well, for a start you're comparing the combined incomes of two people with your one income, and OP says the £2000 includes the PT work.

As for the rest, if someone said to you,

'bigvig, you can give up work tomorrow and have an extra £720 per month. All you have to do is agree to have a neurological disease. You can choose between Disease 1, which may cause you to suddenly collapse, jerk violently, make unusual facial movements or even lose consciousness. You may also severely injure yourself or lose control of your bowel and/or bladder in the process, and you will most likely have to give up your driving licence as well as consider the safety of children in your care. Alternatively, Disease 2 involves progressive damage to your brain. You might lose the ability to walk (this could be temporary or permanent) and experience problems with your vision, and you may have episodes of numbness across your body and severe facial pain. The progression of symptoms could be gradual or sudden, and there is no cure'.

what would your answer be?

EmmaMaria · 01/02/2025 14:19

bigvig · 01/02/2025 11:41

I think this causes so much resentment because benefits have gone up and wages have stagnated. The OP has said that her and her partner get rough 2000 a month plus both have part time work. As a very conservative estimate they'll be getting over 3000 a month after any tax - which is likely to be zero. You'd have to earn over £50,000 to get that. Their take home is more than mine as FT teacher. I'm a single parent entitled to bugger all and pay well over 1000 a month in tax.

And I rest my case - this is why sharing income is a bad idea. It inevitably leads to comparisons which are meaningless.

@bigvig - you chose to have a child, nobody chooses to have a disability. You chose to be a teacher, nobody chooses to be too ill to work. You are (presumably) lucky enough to be able to walk and take public transport if you can't afford to run a car- many people with disabilities can't do either and can't afford to run a car either. I won't continue in this vein, because I think anyone can get my drift. It isn't a race to the bottom, and just because you think you are low paid for your work doesn't mean someone else shouldn't have a decent basic standard of living.

BTW - you really need to get someone to look at your tax problem, because if you earned £50,000 (I chose that figure because it was the one that you chose to use - you earn less than that you say), and assuming you have no deductions or allowances, no pension payments (which I assume you do have), and if you were a single person with no "extras" (i.e. just the single persons tax allowance and nothing more, then your tax would be just below £624 per month. So why are you paying well over £1000 a month in tax? That doesn't add up. Your tax must be a lot less than £624 per month.

Miley1967 · 01/02/2025 15:20

EmmaMaria · 01/02/2025 14:19

And I rest my case - this is why sharing income is a bad idea. It inevitably leads to comparisons which are meaningless.

@bigvig - you chose to have a child, nobody chooses to have a disability. You chose to be a teacher, nobody chooses to be too ill to work. You are (presumably) lucky enough to be able to walk and take public transport if you can't afford to run a car- many people with disabilities can't do either and can't afford to run a car either. I won't continue in this vein, because I think anyone can get my drift. It isn't a race to the bottom, and just because you think you are low paid for your work doesn't mean someone else shouldn't have a decent basic standard of living.

BTW - you really need to get someone to look at your tax problem, because if you earned £50,000 (I chose that figure because it was the one that you chose to use - you earn less than that you say), and assuming you have no deductions or allowances, no pension payments (which I assume you do have), and if you were a single person with no "extras" (i.e. just the single persons tax allowance and nothing more, then your tax would be just below £624 per month. So why are you paying well over £1000 a month in tax? That doesn't add up. Your tax must be a lot less than £624 per month.

Anyone can just go online and look up benefit rates anyway so I don't see why it's a an issue.

Plopandflop · 03/02/2025 00:46

bigvig
sorry but you are a classic case of people who don’t read the facts and this is why we get huge misconceptions and people spreading stuff that just is not right
it’s £2000 INCLUDING what we earn part time. What we earn is taken off benefits.
also my husband is a teacher and when he worked full time he certainly did not pay £1000 in tax so I think you need to ask your local authorities to have a look at your pay.

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Plopandflop · 03/02/2025 00:48

Oh and we get no help with housing costs as we have a mortgage which we are desperately trying to keep up with as in five years it will be paid off but if we don’t managed to get back to work I don’t see how we can

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