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To wonder why there isn’t public outrage about this?

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Blusterylimp · 30/01/2025 12:23

If a couple isn’t married but own their property between them, the surviving one will need to pay inheritance tax on their partners half of the house (and other assets) if they die.
Effectively they will lose their home to pay the IHT unless they also have huge savings.
How can that be allowed in this day and age when so many couples cohabit without getting married?

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Parky04 · 30/01/2025 13:41

Blusterylimp · 30/01/2025 13:00

That’s what I thought so there is a lot of incorrect information on this thread

There usually is. It's good for guidance, but you would always seek the advice of a financial adviser.

Slidingdoors99 · 30/01/2025 13:42

JohnofWessex · 30/01/2025 13:33

If you are a Joint Tenant then your share of the property passes to the other joint owner on death without IHT

If you are Tenants in Common and pass your share to the other owner then it is taxable BUT you can leave them a life interest which the beneficiary would have to pay tax on when the person with the life interest dies

I am afraid you are misinformed on this. All assets of someone deceased forms part of their estate including a property share (half) owned as joint tenants. If the property share passing to the surviving joint owner was In excess of the current IHT threshold of £325,000 then IHT absolutely would be due.

AliceSpringsEverywhere · 30/01/2025 13:43

@Blusterylimp The mistake you made is that you didn't buy your house as tenants in common and ring fence your proportion of the equity you put in.

Mopsandcustard · 30/01/2025 13:43

A marriage contract or civil partnership contract IS the legal way to sort this out.
Otherwise you are going to have a complete mess of lodgers, flat mates and all manner of co-habitees entitled to property and assets. How do you prove what kind of relationship has existed and for how long?
If you want your partner to inherit your assets free of tax, enter into a legal contract.

CaptainMyCaptain · 30/01/2025 13:43

rubyslippers · 30/01/2025 12:23

That’s why marriage is more than a piece of paper
it’s easily solvable

This. You can't have it both ways.

AliceSpringsEverywhere · 30/01/2025 13:44

Slidingdoors99 · 30/01/2025 13:42

I am afraid you are misinformed on this. All assets of someone deceased forms part of their estate including a property share (half) owned as joint tenants. If the property share passing to the surviving joint owner was In excess of the current IHT threshold of £325,000 then IHT absolutely would be due.

I'm not sure it is if it's a house being passed on.

For married couples the threshold is £1M is a house is passed onto children.

Blusterylimp · 30/01/2025 13:44

AliceSpringsEverywhere · 30/01/2025 13:43

@Blusterylimp The mistake you made is that you didn't buy your house as tenants in common and ring fence your proportion of the equity you put in.

No, it is still subject to IHT whether tenants in common or joint tenants

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Everydayimhuffling · 30/01/2025 13:45

I'm not married (also not rich enough for this to affect me) and even so I think you are being totally ridiculous. Get married, have a civil partnership, or pay the tax.

It's insane to me that so many people on here seem to be basically suggesting that you should be forced into a civil partnership by living together. Do you really think that if that was the case for taxes it would not also be the case for splitting assets? Either your assets are shared or they aren't. You can decide.

AliceSpringsEverywhere · 30/01/2025 13:46

Mopsandcustard · 30/01/2025 13:43

A marriage contract or civil partnership contract IS the legal way to sort this out.
Otherwise you are going to have a complete mess of lodgers, flat mates and all manner of co-habitees entitled to property and assets. How do you prove what kind of relationship has existed and for how long?
If you want your partner to inherit your assets free of tax, enter into a legal contract.

Hardly. Tenants are not 'tenants in common'.
Yes, that's the legal term but it's not what it means.

I am a tenant in common and so is my sister for my parent's house. This means a quarter of it passes to us when one dies, so the remaining spouse cannot be forced to sell for nursing home fees unless we agree to the sale.

TunipTheVegimal24 · 30/01/2025 13:46

saraclara · 30/01/2025 12:32

You don't need to be married to avoid inheritance tax on your home. You just need to be joint tenants.

I was going to say same!

Me and my OH haven't been arsed getting married, but are joint tenants. We don't have anything else of value! So a marriage would be irrelevant to us.

NordicwithTeen · 30/01/2025 13:46

Bjorkdidit · 30/01/2025 13:40

There isn't public outrage because most people aren't wealthy enough to pay IHT, let alone be in a situation where it would cause them to 'lose their house'.

Most people don't have the energy to get outraged about stuff like this that falls into the 'nice problem to have' category, ie they're rich enough to be affected, unlike most people who's partner has died. It's also easy to avoid by getting married or entering into a civil partnership, just paying the tax, or taking out life insurance that would cover it.

IHT threshold is £325k (or possibly £500k for main residence) so the house would have to be worth more than twice that for even a penny of IHT to be payable. So most people will just pay the tax, if it's more than they have available, they can always sell or remortgage the expensive property they've just inherited.

Edited

There are around 28 million home owners in UK. Many of those properties will not be able to be sold at £325 or under to avoid IHT on the property alone (in the current market and likely property prices will continue to increase), not taking into account any other assets. That is a very large minority if the entire population is around 68 million and families are obviously made up of more than 1 sharing a home...

ScribblingPixie · 30/01/2025 13:47

Blusterylimp · 30/01/2025 12:25

I’ve only just realised this myself and I am usually very financially savvy.

I agree with you, OP. I think it's outrageous that any family unit - whether that's a couple, friends or siblings - who set up home and combine their lives together - are at risk of losing that home when one of them dies. Unfortunately you have to play the government's game and do the civil partnership thing. That doesn't help siblings though.

HappyNewFeckingYear · 30/01/2025 13:47

Blusterylimp · 30/01/2025 13:41

He has plenty of financial security through his own savings. I just have more.

Then you can both afford the tax.

CompleteOvaryAction · 30/01/2025 13:48

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 30/01/2025 13:31

Solicitors explain this really clearly and it depends how you buy the houseit has literally nothing to do with marriage.

Before we got married, we bought the house as "joint tenants" and if one of us died the other got the whole lot with NO INHERITANCE TAX. The other way is Tenants in Common, mainly used by groups of friends for example, or siblings, this means you each own "half" (or even less if you buy as 3 or 4 people as housemates) and then when you die it becomes part of your distinct estate And goes to whoever is in your will and therefore is subject to inheritance tax. Basically you choose to buy a house "together" in which case if one you dies then the other automatically owns it all, or you decide to split the house in "shares" and you distinctly own your share, you can sell your share, gift it, have it inherited by someone - that share is exclusive to you but is therefore subject to inheritance tax - that method of buying is not suitable for life-partners.
The reason there is no fuss about this is that you're talking nonsense, solicitors explain the two types of purchase if you're unmarried and then you choose. So just choose the non inheritance tax option if your house buying partner is also the person you want to inherit the house when you die🤔

Marriage has nothing to do with it, it's purely the type of house buyer you register as when you buy and what your solicitor and you believe is the best option.

Incorrect.
The reason there is no inheritance tax when you own a house with your spouse, is that the spouse exemption applies to the estate on death. The way you own the house together is irrelevant.

JT means the house is automatically inherited by the survivor, with no need for Probate. But you could own as JT with your sister or a friend. The inheritance would pass by right of survivorship, but IHT would be paid.

TIC means the house is owned in distinct shares as you say, and you can leave your share in your Will to whoever you like. If you leave it to your spouse, there will be no IHT because of the spouse exemption. If you leave it to your sister, there will be IHT.

I am glad you have taken estate planning advice from a solicitor, but perhaps their explanation was not as clear as you / they thought, or you need to revisit the advice in case they got it wrong.

Blusterylimp · 30/01/2025 13:48

TunipTheVegimal24 · 30/01/2025 13:46

I was going to say same!

Me and my OH haven't been arsed getting married, but are joint tenants. We don't have anything else of value! So a marriage would be irrelevant to us.

But you are misinformed. You would still have to pay IHT on his half of the property. That’s what I think is unfair.

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Slidingdoors99 · 30/01/2025 13:49

AliceSpringsEverywhere · 30/01/2025 13:44

I'm not sure it is if it's a house being passed on.

For married couples the threshold is £1M is a house is passed onto children.

I can assure you I am 100% correct. The only person you can leave things to without IHT implications is your spouse.
You are right a married couple with a property can leave a joint estate of £1million to their direct descendants, children or grandchildren.

MJconfessions · 30/01/2025 13:49

Blusterylimp · 30/01/2025 13:39

Thank you!
I don’t think our solicitor made the implications clear when we made our wills and bought our property. That might have been because the value of half the property was below IHT thresholds at that time but it is way more now.

OP I find your attitude a bit hard to follow.

  • earlier on, you said you don’t want to get married because you can’t be bothered with the faff of a party.
  • now you’re thanking/quoting a poster who said they don’t want to get married to protect their finances.

which is it?

I think it would be easier for people to give you practical advice if they knew why exactly you are reluctant to get married. You don’t want to have to get married to protect your finances, but who are you protecting your finances from? The government, your partner, your family?

maybe start from the position of who do you want to have complete control of your finances, and who do you not want? And work backwards from there.

if you fully trust your partner, and don’t want the government or your family to have any stake - marriage seems to be the solution. I wouldn’t see why a “party” (which you have full control
over ie you don’t have to have a party) is the deal breaker.

IBlameYourMother · 30/01/2025 13:49

TunipTheVegimal24 · 30/01/2025 13:46

I was going to say same!

Me and my OH haven't been arsed getting married, but are joint tenants. We don't have anything else of value! So a marriage would be irrelevant to us.

This is massively incorrect, and the reason many people get a horrible shock when their partner dies and they get an IHT bill.

smallchange · 30/01/2025 13:51

Take out an insurance policies on each other's lives to cover what you anticipate the inheritance tax payable to be.

As life insurance will become extremely expensive when you get old, also start a savings account for the anticipated inheritance tax amount with the aim of being able to self-insure post 65.

Whatifitallgoesright · 30/01/2025 13:52

Bjorkdidit · 30/01/2025 13:40

There isn't public outrage because most people aren't wealthy enough to pay IHT, let alone be in a situation where it would cause them to 'lose their house'.

Most people don't have the energy to get outraged about stuff like this that falls into the 'nice problem to have' category, ie they're rich enough to be affected, unlike most people who's partner has died. It's also easy to avoid by getting married or entering into a civil partnership, just paying the tax, or taking out life insurance that would cover it.

IHT threshold is £325k (or possibly £500k for main residence) so the house would have to be worth more than twice that for even a penny of IHT to be payable. So most people will just pay the tax, if it's more than they have available, they can always sell or remortgage the expensive property they've just inherited.

Edited

You're wrong on the main residence being £500k threshold. It's £325 threshold if main residence too. That's why I've made the point about house valuations. If your house is valued at £400k and notwithstanding other savings you will pay 40% tax on £75k. So thats £30k tax. You have got 10 years to pay though so you don't have to sell up straight away. And pensions aren't included so there's that.

IBlameYourMother · 30/01/2025 13:52

NordicwithTeen · 30/01/2025 13:46

There are around 28 million home owners in UK. Many of those properties will not be able to be sold at £325 or under to avoid IHT on the property alone (in the current market and likely property prices will continue to increase), not taking into account any other assets. That is a very large minority if the entire population is around 68 million and families are obviously made up of more than 1 sharing a home...

Edited

It’s only half of the house inherited, so applies to houses over £650,000. Assuming no other assets.

NordicwithTeen · 30/01/2025 13:53

Slidingdoors99 · 30/01/2025 13:49

I can assure you I am 100% correct. The only person you can leave things to without IHT implications is your spouse.
You are right a married couple with a property can leave a joint estate of £1million to their direct descendants, children or grandchildren.

Which is why as a single mum, we (or rather our kids) get penalised yet again.

IBlameYourMother · 30/01/2025 13:54

Whatifitallgoesright · 30/01/2025 13:52

You're wrong on the main residence being £500k threshold. It's £325 threshold if main residence too. That's why I've made the point about house valuations. If your house is valued at £400k and notwithstanding other savings you will pay 40% tax on £75k. So thats £30k tax. You have got 10 years to pay though so you don't have to sell up straight away. And pensions aren't included so there's that.

Partner only inherits half of the house. They already own half. So they only pay tax if house worth more than £650,000.

L0bstersLass · 30/01/2025 13:54

Whatifitallgoesright · 30/01/2025 13:52

You're wrong on the main residence being £500k threshold. It's £325 threshold if main residence too. That's why I've made the point about house valuations. If your house is valued at £400k and notwithstanding other savings you will pay 40% tax on £75k. So thats £30k tax. You have got 10 years to pay though so you don't have to sell up straight away. And pensions aren't included so there's that.

No you won't.
If the house is worth £400k, the estate only counts £200k so no IHT due.

7inchesFromTheMiddaySun · 30/01/2025 13:54
  1. Next of kin legally does not exist
  2. get a Lasting Power of Attorney done (you can do this for financial and/or health matters. You can do this online or get a professional to do it)
  3. Even if you're married, your spouse does NOT automatically have LPA!