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To wonder why there isn’t public outrage about this?

873 replies

Blusterylimp · 30/01/2025 12:23

If a couple isn’t married but own their property between them, the surviving one will need to pay inheritance tax on their partners half of the house (and other assets) if they die.
Effectively they will lose their home to pay the IHT unless they also have huge savings.
How can that be allowed in this day and age when so many couples cohabit without getting married?

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Another2Cats · 30/01/2025 17:00

AliceSpringsEverywhere · 30/01/2025 13:44

I'm not sure it is if it's a house being passed on.

For married couples the threshold is £1M is a house is passed onto children.

I'm sorry but you are mistaken. @Slidingdoors99 is correct.

There is no IHT on the death of the first spouse (if everything is left to the surviving spouse). That is perhaps what you are thinking of?

Where joint owners of a property are not married then the person who dies just has a tax free allowance of £325k.

NordicwithTeen · 30/01/2025 17:01

LondonLawyer · 30/01/2025 16:59

It does baffle me that people make massive, significant, life-changing decisions without thinking things through. I am a lawyer, so probably have a better than average understanding of most legal issues, but when it comes to specialist and important areas I get proper, careful advice so that I can sue someone if it goes wrong to understand and execute plans properly. I wouldn't attempt for a moment to do my own conveyencing, draft a will, set up a trust, anything of the sort.

Yes, well, as I can attest, even if you do go to a solicitor to draw up a will and use a conveyancer to sell your dead mother's home, you may not be made fully aware of IHT rules.

DiscoBeat · 30/01/2025 17:01

I agree that it's ridiculously unfair and archaic. I'm married and we're both on the deeds but that was because we wanted to. I don't think it's right that people feel they have to marry purely for financial reasons (I know some that have).

SapphireOpal · 30/01/2025 17:02

OP if what you're proposing happened and you could pass the house tax free to the co-owner, then everyone would just put their kids names on the deeds of their house to avoid IHT. It's totally unworkable.

Just get married or accept that you don't get the legal protections of being married.

NordicwithTeen · 30/01/2025 17:03

DiscoBeat · 30/01/2025 17:01

I agree that it's ridiculously unfair and archaic. I'm married and we're both on the deeds but that was because we wanted to. I don't think it's right that people feel they have to marry purely for financial reasons (I know some that have).

I suspect many more can't divorce for financial reasons, but they'll win out in the end (as long as they are the last one standing).

Frostine · 30/01/2025 17:03

Been happily unmarried for years , owned joint property , mortgage now paid off , both have good pensions , share finances etc .
However having to marry because of the inheritance tax now for unmarried / non relative persons being included in iht being brought in 2027 .

NordicwithTeen · 30/01/2025 17:04

SapphireOpal · 30/01/2025 17:02

OP if what you're proposing happened and you could pass the house tax free to the co-owner, then everyone would just put their kids names on the deeds of their house to avoid IHT. It's totally unworkable.

Just get married or accept that you don't get the legal protections of being married.

With a falling birth rate, would this not be a better idea?
Maybe Japan is watching...

thescandalwascontained · 30/01/2025 17:04

nearlylovemyusername · 30/01/2025 12:37

Or even better - parents married, children can receive 1m inheritance tax free. Parents divorced, or a single parent, IHT free amount is only 500k.

Yes, 500k. From EACH parent. So 1m in the end.

SapphireOpal · 30/01/2025 17:04

Frostine · 30/01/2025 17:03

Been happily unmarried for years , owned joint property , mortgage now paid off , both have good pensions , share finances etc .
However having to marry because of the inheritance tax now for unmarried / non relative persons being included in iht being brought in 2027 .

No one is forcing you to get married - you're doing so because it now benefits you.

OwlsDance · 30/01/2025 17:05

OP, you yourself said than when you bought the house, you would have been under IHT threshold. So you would have contributed £300k to the value of the house, or thereabouts?

If the house is now worth £1.6mil, and you can't afford IHT, you will be pocketing £1.4mil, so over 4x your initial investment. You are gaining over a million just through sheer luck of house value going up.

Please save your tears.

How much more savings do you have than your partner? You can calculate what IHT would be if you were unmarried vs how much of a claim he'd have if you were to get divorced if you're that concerned about your wealth.

lostoldname · 30/01/2025 17:05

The thing that is unfair are people like siblings who share a house but then have to pay inheritance tax. There was a case a few years ago when elderly sisters challenged this.

Another2Cats · 30/01/2025 17:06

NordicwithTeen · 30/01/2025 13:53

Which is why as a single mum, we (or rather our kids) get penalised yet again.

No, your kids don't get penalised. Their father also has a tax free allowance when he passes away as well.

Another2Cats · 30/01/2025 17:07

Slidingdoors99 · 30/01/2025 13:54

Yes you can only leave up to £500k. It affects many people.

But the father can also leave up to £500k as well. That is how you get to the £1 million.

JaneBoleynViscountessRochford · 30/01/2025 17:09

I’ve never had a romantic view of marriage but, after both studying family law as part of our degrees, DH and I both agreed that marriage is sensible for many reasons, particularly as we intended to have children. As it were we ended up rushing it through when I was pregnant because I wanted DH to have PR from birth should anything happen to me while having my cesarean.

I don’t think at all that it is an outdated concept, it is a couple agreeing to be legally bound to each other, I totally understand why some might not (debts, other children and their inheritance etc) but you can’t choose to keep yourself legally separate in life and then complain that you should be classed as joint when one dies, makes zero sense, courts would be absolutely flooded with claims.

NordicwithTeen · 30/01/2025 17:10

Another2Cats · 30/01/2025 17:06

No, your kids don't get penalised. Their father also has a tax free allowance when he passes away as well.

Their father who moved abroad and has never paid maintenance? Yeah that's not an option for his kids to benefit from.
I was the financially safe one (why I didn't marry).

Bjorkdidit · 30/01/2025 17:11

lostoldname · 30/01/2025 17:05

The thing that is unfair are people like siblings who share a house but then have to pay inheritance tax. There was a case a few years ago when elderly sisters challenged this.

I expect there's a law against siblings getting married, not sure about a civil partnership but would there anything to stop two cousins, friends etc doing this to reduce their IHT liability?

Another2Cats · 30/01/2025 17:11

JudgeJ · 30/01/2025 14:16

You do however need to have wills in which the first deceased' share of the house is left to whoever they wish, with the proviso that the surviving person has a lifetime right to live in the property. If there is no will then the deceased next of kin can force the sale to recover their inheritance.

It depends how the property is owned. If it is owned as joint tenants then the property will go to the surviving owner regardless of any will or intestacy.

Digdongdoo · 30/01/2025 17:12

NordicwithTeen · 30/01/2025 17:10

Their father who moved abroad and has never paid maintenance? Yeah that's not an option for his kids to benefit from.
I was the financially safe one (why I didn't marry).

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And some kids have married parents who never accumulate any wealth. It's the luck of the draw. They have the potential to theoretically inherit the same as anyone else.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 30/01/2025 17:12

Blusterylimp · 30/01/2025 15:41

A lot of the replies are effectively “because that’s the way it is”
No one has explained why the joint home couldn’t be excluded for IHT purposes for cohabiting couples to avoid the situation where the surviving partner had to sell their home to pay the IHT.

This could be limited to properties which were owned as joint tenants so it wouldn’t impact people who hadn’t decided to leave their half to their partners (for example if they wanted their DC to inherit their half of the house)

I wouldn’t be proposing that the rest of the dying partners assets were excluded from IHT so the tax treatment would still be different to that for married couples and those in a civil partnership.

upon the second partners death they receive the unused proportion of used iht against their estate. Should an unmarried couple get to carry over the iht allowance; of course not.
which means the house actually becomes subject to more iht in total.

so your solution to passing it without iht tax outside of marriage will actually be worse in the long run.

AirborneElephant · 30/01/2025 17:13

saraclara · 30/01/2025 12:32

You don't need to be married to avoid inheritance tax on your home. You just need to be joint tenants.

This is absolutely not true. Inheritance tax is due on a share of a jointly owned home unless you are married. Please don’t spread dangerous misinformation.

Another2Cats · 30/01/2025 17:16

TriesNotToBeCynical · 30/01/2025 14:31

Looking on the bright side, if the partner doesn't make a will or decides to leave their property to someone else then their half of the property won't go to to the surviving partner anyway - so they'll avoid inheritance tax because they won't have inherited anything!

I'm sorry but it doesn't work like that.

If they own the property as joint tenants then the house goes to the surviving partner regardless of any will or intestacy. The same with any joint bank accounts.

It's only if they own the property as tenants in common can a share of the property be left to another person.

Even then, if the deceased's estate is above the limit then IHT will be payable regardless of the type of ownership

Cornishclio · 30/01/2025 17:17

I suspect there is not public outrage as it is not on most peoples radar either because they have not realised that if unmarried IHT will apply if outside the exempt band or it has already been pointed out to them that if they marry they can circumvent this rule. HMRC actually rarely force a sale and have discretion to apply a 10-15% discount and set up a payment plan over 10 years for any IHT due. If you do not want to get married I suggest you seek legal advice from an IHT specialist.

Another2Cats · 30/01/2025 17:18

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/01/2025 14:49

I'm really flabbergasted by the poster who keeps saying her children will be punished and penalised because they may not inherit her entire estate free of inheritance tax. As already pointed out, she can leave £500k free of tax if that includes her main residence and it's going to her children. So straight away her children are better off by half a million pounds! What sort of punishment is that?

Then, if her estate is worth more than half a million after paying off all debts, including the mortgage, inheritance tax of 40% will be charged on the portion above £500k. So say the total estate is £1m, the IHT will be £200k but the children share £800k between them. That's a lot of money.

Most adults don't inherit anything like the amount of money we're talking about here. The ones that do are not being financially penalised, they are being given a huge leg up which they didn't earn. I live in London and my own children will be in that position. There will be IHT on our house. We didn't earn that money. We just had the insane good luck to buy a house that is now worth a lot more than we paid for it. Why shouldn't a chunk of that windfall go to fund the NHS, schools and so on?

I agree. She also seems to forget that those children also have a father. And the father can also leave them up to £500k as well.

NordicwithTeen · 30/01/2025 17:21

Digdongdoo · 30/01/2025 17:12

And some kids have married parents who never accumulate any wealth. It's the luck of the draw. They have the potential to theoretically inherit the same as anyone else.

The difference between kids having to sell the family home or being able to inherit 1m apparently hinges on whether you're "lucky" enough to be in a weaker position to marry, as a woman.

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 30/01/2025 17:26

Blusterylimp · 30/01/2025 13:02

Yep, it’s not fair for someone to lose their house when their partner dies because they need to pay IHT on half the properties value.

So get married then. Where would you draw the line? Together a week, a month, a year? How would you prove it?